For the last 24 months or so every single train in TSW has had this problem whereby as soon as the train hits a curve in the track, the flange squeal comes in in full force. It doesn’t even need to be an aggressive turn, even just a slight curve will make it sound like the train is about to come flying off the track. I’ve noticed it most with the 612 on Chemnitz and it’s so bad that it really puts me off driving the route. But it’s on every train in more recent routes. I’m surprised nobody else seems to talk about it as it stands out massively to me when driving. Even the poor 628 from TSG suffers this issue. Is anyone from DTG able to explain why this happens? Will it ever be sorted out/tweaked?
It's very annoying, first route I noticed it on was Peak Forrest. With even the slightest curve there is a continuous squeal that quickly becomes very annoying. Once you hear it, you can't un hear it. It doesn't seem to affect older routes such as NTP or TVL. I posted about it a while back but no one seemed to to be affected by it. Was hoping it would get fixed before the TSW3 routes it affects become abandonware.
I actually like it. From my perspective, I'd much rather have it than some of the silent trains we've had before. Ones seemingly hovering an inch above any rails, for all the added sound you hear.
But on superelevated curves this can be very unrealistic. The answer to unrealistically silent trains is not unrealistically noisy trains.
It does seem to need a bit of toning down. At speed you are more likely to get a sort of grinding rumble going round curves than a squeal.
Maik Goltz’s comment on the matter: It’s a compromise. On the one hand, I agree, but on the other, I’d rather have too much flange squeal than too little. The lack of it on the Class 313 for example is terrible.
True, but this is DTG we're dealing with and "managing expectations" is a must if you don't want to spend your days constantly complaining about their poor attention to detail.
Stand below the King Edward bridge at Newcastle you’ll hear an immense amount of flange squeal. What annoys me is the very unrealistic and excruciating sound of the flange squeal on the class 150 on WCL. Mentioned many times but never addressed.
Personally, I’d take no squeal over what we currently have. It’s not often you hear it on a standard drive anyway.
Yes, because you’re hearing trains going round sharp curves or changing tracks. But you do not get flange squeal on the smallest of curves like we hear in TSW. And even if it did, it’s far too loud in game. The flange on the wheel is really meant to be a backup to stop the train coming off the tracks on curves. I would be very worried hearing it at the scale it’s at in TSW. It’s not accurate.
During my trip to Switzerland, I was surprised that the trains had very muffled flanging sound in curves. Turns out that the stock such as RailJet was using rail-wheel lubrication system. https://railsystem.net/rail-wheel-lubrication/ Before that I thought it was only for trams in city centers. Maybe this could be implemented to TSW in future? This is interesting aspect since in addition to the generated sound the friction is reduced, while usually it is desired that there is more friction for wheels. Seems to be used in USA as "curve oiler":
There are dlcs where the flange sounds come up very well. On the Dispolok es64u2, if you go slow into sharp curves, they are loud, on the track at higher speeds you can hear them just in tight curves. One thing is sure. Trains without flangesounds (like rivets 385) are unrealisticly immersion braking. There are a few units / locos without any of it, and i see my self never driving them.
Definitely - I actually try and avoid doing cab-car runs (Dosto, CTC etc) as they are way too quiet otherwise - even with all doors/windows open the wind noise rarely gives any sense of "weight" to the train so it feels like floating along on a cloud rather than driving several hundred tonnes of metal
I agree. In a binary choice I’d say on rather than off but I’d actually rather have it done realistically. Why with so many things TSW does it have to be one or the other rather than just done correctly?
I guess this is coming back to the same limitations that stop us having reverb in tunnels or a bit of clatter going over bridges. I notice no word from DTG whether that has been sorted for TSW4, either…
There’s a photo mode so you can post-process out the over-exposed lighting, did you not hear? Who needs like realistic sounds when you can do that?
On a related question, I asked in the QA whether the new suspension feature, which is supposed to allow you to " feel " going over junctions and switches, will have an audio component. The Acela, for instance, already has plenty of bounce, but very muted track sounds. On the other hand the 313 has good track noise, but barely any vertical or lateral movement. Don't know what to expect with the new routes. In general, the railway in TSW isn't close to being noisy enough. ( Unless you're riding in a compartment behind the Jubilee on PFR ).
