What Next For The Gwml?

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by Double Yellow, Dec 31, 2025 at 4:45 AM.

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  1. Plymouth to Penzance (64 miles)

    23.7%
  2. Reading to Exeter St David’s (122 miles)

    26.3%
  3. Reading to Cardiff Central (95 miles)

    35.5%
  4. Something else (please state)

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  1. Double Yellow

    Double Yellow Well-Known Member

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    The Exeter St David’s to Plymouth route is starting to become one of my most played routes in TSW6 currently. I’m curious if DTG would continue this trend in the coming years and add more sections of the GWML.
    Preferably more sections of the London Paddington to Penzance route for me, since it would give the WCL a complete overhaul from Rivets poor attempt from the past.
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    Just for fun, what interests you the most? Poll time! :)
     
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  2. MJCKP

    MJCKP Well-Known Member

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    If limited to the GWML only, I would be interested in any part of it, as long as it was in a historical era with loco hauled trains :)

    In terms of anything on the GWR map, I would most like to see:

    Brighton - Portsmouth Harbour & Southampton
    • Any era
    • Should include the docks branches at Southampton
    • It would also be nice to include Eastleigh Works

    Heart of Wessex Line (Bristol - Weymouth)
    • Whenever the Weymouth Harbour Tramway was still in operation
    • Should include the Somerset quarries
    • If it is too long it could start at Westbury instead
     
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  3. lexie

    lexie Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see the GWR class 230 battery train. But I think it's only driving around London and is it already in service or still in testing?
     
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  4. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    This might be an unpopular opinion but given Rivets improved quality, I'd actually like to see them remaster West Cornwall Local, bring it up to modern standards, double track the single track section and extend to Plymouth.
    Then I'd like to see DTG do Reading to Bristol TM/Cardiff.
     
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  5. Shackamaxon

    Shackamaxon Well-Known Member

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    Is the single track section near the eastern end of the route not representative of the era ?
     
  6. GWRKingClass

    GWRKingClass Well-Known Member

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    I think the era is fine, but really could do with an upgrade. It's also lifeless without a Valenta HST which would be on the majority of mainline services.
     
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  7. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    Its representative for the era set yes, but I'd like it modernised (it was redoubled after the original route is set) as we have the stock to run it now.
     
  8. OldVern

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    I voted other as would personally like to see Reading to Bristol via both Box and Bristol Parkway/Filton Bank. Assuming the modern era that would give scope to run the Knotweeds at top speed on electric but also changeover to/from diesel at Chippenham on the Box route.
     
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    eMAyTeeTee Well-Known Member

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    I voted for Reading to Exeter, since that would incorporate a station I used to live near
     
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  10. GWRKingClass

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    Knotweeds, I like that haha! I tend to call them RIPs as they do like to break down or crack a bogie, but you certainly won't be resting in peace with those awful seats!
     
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  11. Javelin

    Javelin Well-Known Member

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    Reading to Bristol Temple Meads via Bath Spa is something I'd like to see, it's a lovely route imo and it would allow for power changeovers between Swindon and Chippenham.
     
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  12. OldVern

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    Still a fair bit of freight about too.

    Bonus yesterday stood at Studley foot crossing seeing 37425 come past light engine on a move from Old Oak Common to Derby running 4 hours late according to Real Time Trains. Fantastic routing though, via Swindon, Severn Tunnel, Maindee East Curve, Hereford, the curve at Abbey Foregate (Shrewsbury), Wolverhampton, Sutton Park and finally Water Orton then to Derby. Must have been a fun trip to drive, though not much challenge load wise.
     
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    I'd quite like the line from Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads + Severn Beach Branch It'd be a good opportunity to include a reworked class 166 as well as a GWR class 158. Time period wise I'd prefer modern-ish, but I've heard that during the early 70s Avro Vulcans were being used as a testbed for the engines of Concorde near Filton Abbey Wood. I'm not the biggest advocate for routes in the 1970s but if that was included I'd buy it straight away.

    I'd also like the line from Plymouth to Penzance for a nice, long scenic drive.

    (Though if I was in charge of route selection at DTG I'd be turning my attention to South Western Railway as there are zero routes with that operator).
     
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  14. rpb1966

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    Reading to Cardiff, and then they should electrify the whole of the GWR route, from London-Cardiff.....but tbh I cannot see that happening.
     
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  15. star#5823

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    Some just getting rid of the interesting part of the route?, like yeah it’s a bad state but god damn not every has to be modern….
     
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  16. star#5823

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    Any GWR route in 1940s to 1990s
    GWR pannier tank
    gwr 2251 class
    GWR 4073 Class
    GWR 4575 Class
    Class 42
    And any other br era stock

     
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  17. theorganist

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    I went for something else, Reading to Cardiff but with the line down to Temple Meads included.

    I would take any stretch if it invovled going back at least 30 years but if it is modern then that would be my choice.
     
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  18. marcsharp2

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    It's unlikely we'll get Plymouth to Penzance as WCL has already done done Penzance to St Austell.

    We'd probably get Plymouth to St Austell and a branch line to Gunnislake or Looe if we're lucky.
     
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  19. Double Yellow

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    I wish WCL had never been created and the route left till the game advanced enough as it is now. Still, it is possible the route can be made as people will still have access to Rivets WCL.
    It’s already been done twice now with duplicates of LIRR V1 and Dresden V1.
     
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  20. star#5823

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    Well hopefully like those two routes it keeps the same era as the original
     
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  21. foggy#2817

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    They could also rebuild it from scratch. May actually be less work.
     
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    They did something similar with Leipzig-Dresden. So maybe not that unlikely.
     
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  23. operator#7940

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    You're not gonna see them redo something that's already been done. That would just anger all the people who already bought it and would demand it "for free."
    I'm for anything with some port operations for sure, and a connection to Brighton down by Portsmouth would be cool.
    Failing that Reading to Tauton would connect two routes in game and feature a lot of traffic.
     
  24. Clumsy Pacer

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    Slough - Windsor.

    On a more serious note, not the GWML but I think Cardiff - Bristol & Cheltenham or Swansea & Maesteg might be a good route (can't see them doing Bristol - Swansea but that would be very nice).
     
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  25. spikeyorks

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    Liskeard is on the GWML so that means we can legitimately have one of these on a modernish version of the route. :cool:

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    A "SMU" ??? Steam Multiple Unit ! :o
     
  27. redrev1917

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    Isle of Wright 2021 says hello.
     
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    Steam Railcar
     
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  29. solicitr

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    Reading to Bristol, which would complete Brunel's original GWML, and be far more do-able than trying to run it all the way to Exeter in one go.
     
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    It was the same route updated.
    Not entirely redone from the ground up by a new company.
    More like the GWE or SEHS remasters/extension.
     
  31. Double Yellow

    Double Yellow Well-Known Member

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    I’d prefer a more modern timetable to match the recent GWR route.

    The reason I prefer modern is that I’m more familiar with that. The 158’s in GWR liveries and a mix of HST’s and 802’s. I’ve journeyed quite a few times on this route as I have family in Hayle. Normally get off at Penzance and take a cab from there.
     
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  32. trainsimplayer

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    Fundamentally WCL won't be much different in the modern era, with the 150 still a primary train most likely. If would just benefit vastly from the HST (hardly modern), 802 and maybe 166; compared to a 150 with the rare 37.

    Given that the only BR development in TSW is coming in the North-west I don't see anything being made with Cornwall in mind so I think modernising the route (this wouldn't eliminate the original, it would be an Island Line 2022 / Isle of Wight situation) would be optimal for the experience.
     
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  33. trainsimplayer

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    That is precisely what Island Line 2022 was, but it was by the same developer.

    It was not a remaster akin to GWE or SEHS; it's a separate DLC and the original Isle of Wight got nothing from it.
    A lot of the original route was kept as a base but the changes (for such a small route) as significant enough for it to register as a new one.
    (Also, IL2022 was made on the same version of TSW so there were no new features to backport - although IOW2022 did implement sparks.)
     
  34. star#5823

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    The rail scene was just better in the past both 80s and 90s was peak, pure without that damn 802
     
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  35. operator#7940

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    The same company based on the same route.
    Okay more in depth than a simple "remaster" but my point stands. If you want it redone, no one but Rivet will touch it.
    There's just so much more profitable stuff to do that won't trigger outrage from players who will again complain it's the "same route I already own." Even if it's not, even if it's a different time period or slightly different assets... that isn't the point.
    We've seen it before.

    I'd suggest just asking for other parts to be completed that are new and would sell. That you might get.
     
  36. jack#9468

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    Plymouth to Penzance is an obvious choice for me.

    WCL desperately needs a remake.
     
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