With the newly announced Kinzigtalbahn, there is a DB BR 114 included. What is this? Has it been seen in TSW before? How is it different to the DBAG Class 143?
I believe we had the 114 in TSW before, and no I am not mistaking it with the 112 we do also have. It does have some differences to the 143, I don't exactly know which, but as they are also real locomotives, a peek on Wikipedia might help out.
The 114 used to be numbered 112.0, and that's exactly what it is - a slightly earlier variant of the 112.1 seen on Hamburg - Lübeck that's a bit more similar to the 143 than the 112.1 is. Essentially it's a 143 that's good for 160 km/h.
It's in Train Simulator, with scenarios for Hamburg S1. https://store.steampowered.com/app/448180/Train_Simulator_DB_BR_114_Loco_AddOn/
Class 710 and the EMD F125 so far are TSW exclusive (and the ES44C4, but I prefer 6 axle powered GEVOs anyway, not interested in these energy saving "light" versions). So I'm running North London & GOBLIN on the 170
Absolutely! Personally I don't mind, because it offers a universe of classic traction which I'm interested in. That's why I was surprised to see the old Class 87 coming to TSW, a truly great loco and fun to drive.
Because Germany and the DB are so bureaucratically correct, every technical design change or deviation is renumbered. Differences to the 112.1 are the four large lower front lights, like on the 143. The front roof is also rounded like on the 112.1 and the reinforced front window rubbers and the buffer beam are the same. Both can reach a top speed of 160 km/h. Historical background: After the fall of the Berlin Wall, the speeds for long-distance trains on the former DR route network were to be increased to 160 km/h or western level. Because the 143s were only designed for 120 km/h and production at LEW Hennigsdorf (later Adtranz, now Bombardier/Alstom) was still underway, other series locomotives were immediately converted to 160 km/h. This resulted in the 112.0 series (since 2000: 114). However, only 38 were built in the old 143 look. In order to promote the eastern industry and make it competitive, and because the former DB also had an outdated vehicle fleet, it was decided to develop the 112.1 and pimp up the look a bit. This cleared the way for the production of 45 new locomotives each for the DR and the DB. So after the founding of DB AG in 1994, 90 locomotives of the 112.1 series were in use, while many 143s also found their way from overcrowded eastern depots to the west. The locomotive is therefore symbolic of reunification on the rails.
Yeah, that’s like the tip of the iceberg here There’s also the fact that a Br 112 (110s upgraded for 160km/h) already existed and had to be renumbered to 113s. Some of those in turn had to renumbered to 115s because of a simple change in ownership (no alteration to the locos). You could write books about it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm always down for more variety on German tracks. Only thing which bothers me is that now we've got literally the whole family of 143, 114 and 112... but on the other hand, we still have to use the poor 110 for terribly heavy freight services between Mainz and Koblenz because there's no 140 around. Talk about equality.
Whats the case there? I read diffrent stories there.... " Umbauprogramm von der Baureihe 143 zur Baureihe 114 [Bearbeiten | Quelltext bearbeiten] Zahlreiche Maschinen der Baureihe 143 werden im Personennahverkehr eingesetzt. Insbesondere auf längeren RB- und RE-Verbindungen mit wenigen Zwischenhalten erweist sich die Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 120 km/h als hinderlich, zumal der Wagenpark oft für 140 oder 160 km/h zugelassen ist. Durch ihre konstruktive Verwandtschaft zur Baureihe 112.0 (114) beschloss man 2006, zwecks Ausmusterung wesentlich älterer, aber 140 km/h schneller Lokomotiven der Baureihe 110 einige Loks der Baureihe 143 auf 140 km/h und auch 160 km/h umzubauen. Zunächst wurde die 143 171 umgebaut. Sie erhielt die Betriebsnummer 114 101 und wurde für eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 160 km/h zugelassen. Im Rahmen dieser Umbauten wurden die bisherigen Stromabnehmer gegen neue des Typs SSS 87 getauscht, die mit einer Schleifleistenbruchüberwachung ausgerüstet sind. Die Übersetzung zwischen Fahrmotorritzel und Großrad wurde geändert, die Zugbeeinflussung und die Bremsausrüstung an die höhere Geschwindigkeit angepasst, die Gleitschutzsoftware modifiziert sowie die Stirnfenster verstärkt. Zusätzlich wurden Schlingerdämpfer zwischen Lokkasten und Drehgestellrahmen eingebaut. Diese Lokomotive galt dann als Baureihe 114.1. Als zweite wurde die 143 120 für eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 140 km/h umgebaut, sie erhielt mit 114 301 ebenfalls eine neue Betriebsnummer. Hierbei konnte auf die Änderung der Übersetzung sowie auf die Schlingerdämpfer verzichtet werden. Die Lok wurde als Baureihe 114.3 geführt. Inzwischen werden die Loks der Baureihe 114.3 wieder unter ihrer ursprünglichen Nummer geführt.[14] Ein weiterer Umbau erfolgte im Jahr 2012 mit der 143 873 zur 114 009, welche auch die Zulassung für 160 km/h bekam, da die originale 114 009 beim Fahrzeugbrand in Berlin Ostbahnhof im Jahr 2011 vollständig zerstört wurde. Der Einsatz der beiden umgebauten Fahrzeuge erfolgte neben der Erprobung im Testbetrieb auch im regulären Planbetrieb vom Einsatzort Magdeburg aus. Die Kosten für die Ertüchtigung auf 160 km/h beliefen sich pro Lokomotive auf rund 300.000 €, der Umbau für eine Geschwindigkeit von 140 km/h war mit etwa 48.000 € deutlich kostengünstiger (Zahlen von 2007). Aus diesem Grund wurde nur eine Geschwindigkeitserhöhung auf 140 km/h weiterverfolgt, 2007 begannen Umbauten an weiteren Maschinen.[15] Unter anderem in Trier befinden sich einige für 140 km/h umgebaute 114.3, sie werden allerdings weiter als Lokomotiven der Reihe 143 geführt und nur bis 120 km/h eingesetzt, denn eine Zulassung für 140 km/h durch das Eisenbahnbundesamt erfolgte nie. Seitens der DB wurde der serienmäßige Umbau für 140 oder 160 km/h nicht weiter verfolgt.[16] Die umgebauten Fahrzeuge 114 101 und 301 wurden mittlerweile zerlegt." Is there the case that the most are changed to 160 or to 140.... This whole text confused me a little..... Edit after al little bit of searching if i'm correct you have the 114.0 for 140 and 114.1 for 160km/h... Is that correct and witch one is on FFM Fulda in service?
Ah okay but the 114 for FFM Fulda is a 140km/h loco? If i look at the pictures there is a part that run with the first generation Dosto so there are in general restricted to 140km/h so also the schedule is also not faster than 140 for the RE and RB services on the RE50 and RB51.....
I'm not sure, checking a screenshot I see 114 038-1. I haven't found a database yet, but could be a first series 114 (which was a batch of 38 locos that were reassigned from 112 to 114 initially.), later adding 114 039 and 114 040. Interesting, just found this: https://www.elektrolok.de/statistiken/privateelloks_dr114.php
You are not correct. The 114 is a 160 km/h locomotive. DB experimented with raising the top speed of 143s in the early 2000s. They did two prototype conversions - 143 171 got its top speed raised to 160 km/h and was renumbered 114 101, and 143 120 got its top speed raised to 140 km/h and was renumbered 114 301. These two locomotives made up the entirety of the 114.1 and 114.3 subclasses, respectively. Both have been scrapped now. 114 301 was the only 114 with a top speed of 140 km/h, literally all other 114s are good for 160 km/h. There only ever was one series (35 locos) of 112.0 (which was later renumbered 114). The second series is class 112.1, as seen on Hamburg-Lübeck.
Ah interesting! Thanks for sharing.... But i think the highspeed on the route it self is 140km/h in the schedule due to the older Gen1 dosto's!
The loco number could well be placeholder to be fair, there are images of the BR350’s that aren’t fully numbered.
Nah, actually, there have been 4 prototypes and 35 locos in the first series of the Deutsche Reichsbahn series 212 capable of a speed of 160 km/h. For political reasons, the government of the GDR decided to limit them to 120, as there weren't any tracks in the GDR capable of a speed of 160 km/h. After the reunification, the fusioned DB/DR decided to renew the tracks in the former GDR, and, well, now they needed locos capable of a speed of 160 km/h, so they were refitted for that speed. So, these locos originally have been the series 112.0. Later on, these locos have been renumbered as Class 114.0 as they are owned by DB Regio and not DB Fernverkehr (somewhat in 2000). (112 025 became 755 025 as a test train for the Zentralstelle Maschinentechnik in Halle in 1992, so only 38 locos of the 114.0 exist(ed)).
Well, yes. Perhaps I should have mentioned the prototypes, but my statement that there was only one series run (of 35 locos) is still correct, if perhaps incomplete. No, the 114s were never limited to 120 km/h. You're thinking of the 143. The 114s and 112s were ordered before the fusion of DB and DR. No. They ordered the 114s/112s for this reason, and those were 160 km/h capable from the start.
Not the prototype(s)... 'After the trade fair, the DR began testing the 140 km/h locomotive in the VES-M Halle (Saale), which was designed for 160 km/h. During the test dismantling in the Dessau repair shop, the gear ratio was changed and the machine was renamed 243001 on October 14, 1983. The changed ratio meant that the tractive force could be increased significantly, while the permissible speed was reduced to 120 km/h.'
That loco was never converted back through. Yes, today's 114s and 112s are based on it, but it isn't one anymore and hasn't been for 41 years. It also remained the property of its builder LEW and was never owned by DR or, later DB, so it's hardly relevant in this discussion.
Ah, ok there was a misunderstanding from my side...they got actually four new prototypes of the loco being capable to run at 160 km/h (212 002 to 212 005, after reunification with the 'perspective' that there will be routes capable of 160 km/h in the near future) and 35 serial locos (112 006 to 112 040), while the first loco/prototype has been originally numbered 212 001, they started this series with 212 002.
