It occurred to me recently that TSW has not seen a new UK diesel/electric loco in over 3 years. And by loco, I mean locomotive. Not a unit. The last new UK loco brought to the game was the class 20 in 2020, meaning that since TSW2's release we haven't got a single one. In a country with such a diverse range of traction it seems a shame that this section of the UK's railways haven't been represented recently. Even though we have quite a range of classic traction (20, 31, 33, 37, 47 etc) there is still a lot missing. Staple classes such as the 25, 56, 58, 60, 73, 86, 87 etc are completely missed. And that's forgetting the lack of modern locos. The only modern loco we have is the 66 and it is always in the same livery (I guess a done up 37 as well). There are still so many locos around in the UK. 56s, 57s, 59s, 60s, 67s, 68s, 70s, 73/9s, 88s, 90s and 92s are all still in use today on frontline duties. A 68 would definitely sell well. A 68 with MK3s and a class 165 thrown in on the Chiltern Mainline would surely be a very popular route. Even something like a livery pack for the 66 to add more variety would be good. Feel free to comment your opinions below and like if you wanna see more UK locos in TSW
The trouble is most freight on modern routes is operated with a Class 66, and given freight isn't as popular as passenger (according to DTG) there is less reason to make new types especially when there's still a lot of passenger types we haven't seen yet. It would still be nice to see another Class 66 operator however, IMO the new ECML should have featured Freightliner or GBRf which are more synonymous with that part of the ECML than DBS/EWS. Even if we did see a new type, I would pick the Class 68. Chiltern Main Line probably won't happen due to licensing. Fife Circle could work, or even the Furness Line set in 2018 with a Mk2 DBSO at the other end (plus nuclear flask workings along the coast).
There’s less demand so less incentive for dtg to make one. If an appropriate route comes along we might get one, but for now I don’t think we’ll see anything
To be honest, I completely agree with you. There are so many UK routes (such as Peak Forest) which could benefit from a loco pack. Taking PF as an example, it would be amazing to see a BR Green Diesel Pack aswell as a Blue Pullman pack. When the ECML comes out in September, I hope in the future we are getting a Class 91 loco pack and possible even a Class 55 pack for use on Railtours!
I totally agree with the OP. Tsw needs to start filling out the fleet list. So many TOPS classes not yet represented and truly deserving of their place in the sun. All we keep seeing is more US and German locos and livery packs with the UK frequently left out despite the fact that many classes would fit perfectly on routes already included. Please please please DTG give us more UK types. If not DTG then perhaps third party developers or new creators via the upcoming editor tool.
Yes, I know but A) 60103 is exclusive to Deluxe and Special editions of TSW4 B) There are people (including me) who aren't the biggest fans of Scotsman. I'm a huge fan of anything steam powered but I avoid 60103 like she's the plague. It's great to have an Icon of Steam in TSW but it'd be even more nice to have the 91 and 55 finally come to the game
https://dovetailgames.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/80001086985-train-sim-world-4-faq In response to the 60103 being exclusive just for an month
As I'm sure you all know - a new UK loco is on the roadmap, which sparks hope onto the topic of this thread! I'm not sure what it could be.. I did see a screenshot of someone from DTG directly referencing this new pack when asked about whether a new UK freight loco would happen anytime soon, but there's nothing to say that wasn't a fake screenshot or whatever I guess. So we'll have to wait and see when it's teased/announced. I personally would love to see a Class 70 as they do a lot of different workings and are amazing locos - however equally I'd love to see a 91/DVT set in the game for ECML... Something else I'd love to see which I don't think has been mentioned at all is actually some form of Network Rail unit, like a Tamper or NMT/PLPR/UTU sets or even one of their 153s or even better - their 950; I feel as though having one of those NR/Colas Rail trains would add a lot more variety into the routes (and would be able to go on all routes) and add more realism and plenty of new ways to play the game and scenarios, maybe switching lines at ground frames to get onto the opposite track for works etc?
Still hoping for a Deltic Class 55, Class 70, Class 60, and Class 69 (Rebuilt Class 56s with the same engine and other systems as the Class 66s). An original Class 56, Foster Yeoman Class 59, and Class 58 would be fantastic for freight services. A Class 57 (rebuilt Class 47) is a must for me, too.
That would be one hell of a loco pack right there! To be completely honest, I'd even be happy with some new 66 liveries along with the different (and correct) headlight clusters at this point.. anything that isn't an EWS 66 really! (I love 66s in real life, but not so much on the game, not anymore anyway...) An actual new loco would definitely be better though...
The two locos with the biggest enthusiast followings in the UK are the Hoovers (50s) and the Deltics (55s). Both still have main line certification and could appear on any modern route. Neither are in TSW. Go figure.
They are no where near the most popular I have no idea where you got that from. Hydraulics or 37s would have the biggest following, deltics are up there but 50s are nowhere near the top. I know a few people who did 50s but in BR days anyone who did not bash 50s hated them with a passion the look, the noise and the fact that they replaced the beloved westerns it was all awful
You obviously weren't at Exeter in 1992/3 or Kings Cross in Jan 1982. I don't suppose you've ever helped organised railtours or heritage diesel galas either. Trust me, 50 and 55s still draw the crowds
And were you at the svr hydraulic gala last year the most successful diesel gala in recent times and at a running day at the svr for a 50 there might be half a coach of bashers and on a western or warship running day you would have 3-4 coaches worth of bashers the popularity of a 50 is not even close to a western. I admit deltics are croud pleasers but you cannot say 50s are the most popular engines in britain that is just bullsh…
The fact that 50s replaced Westerns was a good thing Ok maybe not, I'm just teasing (though I'm not a big fan of hydraulics they are quite fun to drive IRL, except 14s which should all be sent to Booths). I'm gutted that the ECML did not come with a 91 and HST reskin, of course they had the deal with LNER and they wanted to showcase their new toy (even though they are frankly boring). I think it's a shame too as the Doncaster - Peterborough is a fairly good route but there are not really many options to enjoy it without using the Hitachi, there is one HST trip there (the EMT divert) with the other taking place at night and a lot of the freight seems to be at night too. While we might not be able to get a 91, once I figure out how to create a sub timetable I will try and make a HST timetable to share. A 56 would be a welcome addition as it could easily fit into the North Transpennine, Blackpool Branches, ECML, MML routes so spanning several eras with it also being able to drop in to parts of the GWR and possibly BML. That won't happen though, I reckon they will go for a 68 to fit on the Fife Circle line especially since both were due to drop around the same time (originally).
I'd love to see a Class 50, 90/91, 55 or 60/68 in the game. Some "pure" locomotives have really been missing for a long time here.
Okay, as much as we want a new freight loco, it took me only until the first reply in this thread to realise that yes: most freight services are run by 66s. Don't get me wrong: I'd love a new freight loco any day any time, but I think it has to be included in a route. I think our best option is Carlisle - Sellafield/Barrow-in-furness/Preston, with a 68 flask DLC, which would totally sell. For the flask wagons, it's definitely the JNA and KUA (you have to have both) and your typical DRS 68, aided by the existing DRS license (I think).
Hey, you stole my idea hahaha. Obviously I'm of the idea that it's necessary to spread this as much as possible: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/new-fna-kua-nuclear-flask-wagons-for-tsw.79317/
I can think of at least a dozen types that would fit perfectly as dlc in existing UK routes both geographical and era wise. So many missed opportunities to cash in (provided that they are modelled properly and have correct physics). A short list includes, but is not limited to.... Class 57, 165/1 and 180 for GWE Class 03, 05 and 485/486 for IoW Class 377 variants and Class 455 for BML Class 377 variants and Class 171 for ECW Class 14, 35 and 42 for WSR Class 70 and 91 for ECML Class 153, 156 and 222 for MML Class 25 and 44/45/46 for PFV Class 123, 124 and 128 for NTP Class 56 for TVL There are many more accurate examples I can think of but I also need to draw attention to applicable layering (or lack thereof) such as... BML traffic on ECW Pacer for TVL Fife Circle layers for Scotrail Express Amongst others.
I believe you were thinking of this. This was from DTG Alex, in the final post of the February roadmap Q&A thread. This also came in quick aftermath to a big new burst of discussion on the UK getting a new freight loco, specifically a lot of it was on the subject of the Class 60 seeing as Skyhook had just released Cargo Line Vol. 1, although if that in particular is what they paid attention to is anyone's guess. There was no further comment on it in the March roadmap, so maybe we'll hear something on the April roadmap in a few days time?
Yes, probably. There's a good chance that all the contents of the 4-6 months section will be revealed.
Yes, that's the thing I was thinking of! Hopefully that's true and we will get a new freight loco! Fingers crossed the April roadmap will have some info regarding it!
honestly i'd appreciate any modern locomotive at this point. I can totally understand so many reuses of 66s in DLC. (persaonlly i completely disagree on some like the 3rd rail ones shouldve just have 73s not just only the 66). I think somebody in the fourm did mention about having a locomotive pack that could work that is accessible on all suitable routes. If somebody do wishes for electrical one. Then there is no avoidance that either a 3rd party or DTG HAVE to make the WCML. Much more variety of traction in terms of railtour and freight haul (speaking of railtour we could really use some modern version of MK1, Mk2 and loco haul MK3).
