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Why Hamburg-lübeck?

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Snek, Nov 14, 2020.

  1. Snek

    Snek Well-Known Member

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    When the roadmap initally released, I researched a bit about the upcoming routes. Ever since then I've been wondering just why has DTG decided to build Hamburg to Lübeck

    Matt has said multiple times that they want to develop a good selection of diverse routes for TSW, so why Hamurg - Lübeck which literally doesn't bring anything new or interesting to the game? It's a flat straight run with mediocre scenery and the 4th German flatland route in a row. Driving on it will be, in my opinion, boring.

    The timetable is not very busy and the entire length is constant 160km/h with speed changes only at either ends of it. Looks like freight will be just A to B uninterrupted runs and passenger services will have little variety with only REs (regional express).

    Even the new locos are nothing really new. The 182 is already in the game and the 112 is very similar to the 143 from RSN. There's nothing interesting about this route and i have a feeling it won't sell very well after the inital sales, as there is no reason to buy it over any other german route. I won't be buying it, and I have all the german addons.

    In conclusion, this route feels like a huge waste of developement time to me, which could have been much better spent on other, better routes. I'm just suggesting DTG to choose more diverse DLC in the future and actual interesting gameplay and scenery. Something from south Germany or even better, Austria, would be great. You can even find better routes out of Hamburg alone.

    Now, I know some people will disagree but I'd actually be happy to hear if there is anything special about this route?
     
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  2. kosti.nuuja

    kosti.nuuja Active Member

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    The Hamburg-Lübeck is already made for TS20xx, so the production of the route would be less complicated than building a fully new route. But honestly, I want to get the Hamburg-Hannover instead, or those two lines together in one route.
     
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  3. Snek

    Snek Well-Known Member

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    That's true, but there are many other more popular German routes they have built in TS. It's just a weird choice. As you said, Hamburg-Hannover would have been much better, even if it went only to Lüneburg.
     
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  4. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    If it was set in the diesel era with 216's, 218's and 220's then on to Puttgarden to simulate train ferry operation...
     
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  5. Cramnor

    Cramnor Active Member

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    I am looking forward to the route, but I also have to completely agree with you. I feel like DTG is a bit too much on the highspeed-hype-train - sure, SKA and HMA were interesting, but they also had variety along the route. But for this DLC, the rolling stock is a pitty for starters. One loco that is already there just in a different livery (on a side note, I was thinking about buying the loco DLC, but since it will come with this route, 14€ saved there) and another that is only a slight modification of an existing one (like with the ICE3 and ICE3M). If they would at least do the TWINDEXX EMU for example, that would be amazing.
    I think Hamburg will be a nice station, but since no S-Bahn services seem to be included I am not sure what to expect from the driving experience. This one will probably have to wait to be bought until there is a sale :)

    And as you say, I agree that there are better routes. Hamburg Hannover, maybe, but wouldn't the driving experience be the same? I would really like some German Diesel, Lübeck-Kiel would have been a very interesting route for example (where they also could use previous research from TSxx). Let's keep our fingers crossed for the next routes that make it onto the roadmap.
     
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  6. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    Let‘s not forget that TSG more or less confirmed that a Br 218 will be coming:love:
     
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  7. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    I agree that the route will be bland since i did research on it. It was in ts2021 as well so they have resources on it. I like high speed routes but this route has no variety and it's only 39.0 so another short high speed route.
     
  8. delucadomenico2009

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    Technically there is a thing. The maschen marshalling yard. This is the biggest freight yard of europe and there are a lot of different freight trains that comes from every part of the europe. For exemple of the traffic, in real life normally a new freight train comes in this yard every 5 minutes. Now i don't know if it is included into the route but if not i think it will be a shame. This could be an europe version of the sand patch dlc. Can be included a lot of shutting and preparation of the trains and a lot of depot services, also banking service with shutting locomotives and recevery services from hamburg hbf. And if you have the other dlcs maybe with the layers system can be add the s-bahn too and IC. Possibilities are a lot and honestly it will be a wonderfull thing for me. If not, i think that can be another HRR 2.0 for me. Honestly the presence of the br182 mrce seems that can be added this yard.
     
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  9. Rail Runner

    Rail Runner Well-Known Member

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    I personally would have preferred Hamburg to Hannover or Hamburg to Bremen.
    With the other routes, there is much much more Frieght traffic as it goes to and from the docks and to Maschen Yard.
    Furthermore, there are more Highspeed sections which could include the ICE1 and ICE2, along with the IC Class 101 services.
    There are Metronom services using class 146s and class 246s, with Class 193 workings along side many many other locomotives.
    Personally, is a no brainier.
    If not that, then maybe a route going north? Such as going more towards the Danish Boarder at Padborg.
     
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  10. w.lichko

    w.lichko Well-Known Member

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    Not just the 218 but potentially another large diesel loco as well!! :D
    On the rail-sim.de forums, Maik Goltz stated that TSG is currently working on the 420, a large diesel loco, the Vossloh G6, and a multiple unit of some kind (sorry the post is in german).
    Screenshot 2020-11-15 at 14.23.39.png
    I asked him which diesel loco it will be and this was his answer!
    Screenshot 2020-11-15 at 14.24.57.png
    So that pretty much confirms TWO large german diesels are in planning for TSW 2. Yaaaaaayyy!
     
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  11. 59321747

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    TSW’s route production is very slow, and route development rights are not oriented to all objects. When they make TSW, they need a large number of routes to maintain the enthusiasm of the players. Therefore, for the diversity and selectivity of routes, the fastest speed can be achieved, so copying the route of TS is the best choice
     
  12. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    That‘s exactly what I was talking about. Thanks for providing the necessary posts. The first mainline diesel will probably come for a route we already have, I think, as it‘s already in production (according to the post you provided; anyone reading this who doesn‘t speak German will just have to believe us:)). And once Hamburg-Lübeck comes around we‘ll get a Br 218 which for me is enough reason on its own to get it.

    I‘d like to start discussing what the first mainline diesel could be now but that would probably be too far off-topic for this thread:)
     
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  13. Br425

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    I agree with you, Hamburg Lübeck will be the first German route I will not buy
     
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  14. SHINO BAZ

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    I noticed that one of the trains coming with the route is a doppelstock controlcab car and also doppelestock coaches so if this is correct,being able to relivery and paint them will be new and before this only pc players could paint these types of cars.
     
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    We can soon also repaint the preserved Dostos because the entire preserved collection will soon be available for livery editor
     
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    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Well either way that will be acceptable to me.
     
  17. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    I will not be buying this route either. It's to bland of a route
     
  18. Cramnor

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    I'm not sure if the entire collection is going to come over to livery editor. Especially with the Dosto and BR182 from Hamburg-Lübeck, if I were in DTG shoes I would probably not port those from preserved collection to livery editor, as these vehicles will be part of the route (and thereby usable for the livery editor anyway). So that would be double work for them. And from my understanding they never said ALL vehicles, only some, but I might have gotten that wrong as well.
     
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  19. w.lichko

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    So sorry Snek for completely changing the topic of your thread :)

    I’ll keep it short.

    We have to first look at the available and planned german routes. All of them are set in the modern era.
    I presume the 218 will be an add-on for the Hamburg Lübeck route, but what could the other large diesel be. Hmmmmmm….

    I hope not the 245, because we already have enough TRAXX locos and a 187 is being already developed which is a 3rd generation TRAXX loco (new for TSW) and the 187 cab is very similar to the 245.

    I really do hope for one of the br 230 family of locos. A Ludmila for RSN maybe?? please oh please :)

    Maybe a br 247, the diesel Siemens Vectron, that would be very cool!!

    Large noteworthy diesels not operated by Deutsche Bahn:

    Voith Maxima
    Vossloh/Stadler Euro Dual
    The german version of the class 66

    If I missed any other present time large diesels let me know.
     
  20. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, me too:)

    I agree with pretty much all of it. The most likely candidates to my mind are:
    • Br 245
    • Br 247
    • Ludmilla (Br 230 family)
    I think (or hope) a Br 245 is unlikely as we've already got enough TRAXX as it is. A Br 247 would be a bit refreshing. But according to Wikipedia (not a good source, I know) DB doesn't actually have any anymore: Screenshot 2020-11-16 110834.png
    Sorry for the German source but the English article thinks Br 247 refers to a Class 66. This makes a Vectron DE a bit less likely but not unlikely.
    A Ludmilla would be great of course. Something completely different from the newer locos we tend to get for German routes:love:
     
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    I've bought the Hamburg-Lübeck route as part of one of the Train Simulator editions, and I gotta admit, it's a boring route, with long straight sections, a flat landscape, and parts with slow speed limits. I honestly don't know what should be the appeal of this route. As soon as this route is listed on Steam, I'll click that "ignore" button.
     
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  22. Articuno

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    I'm also not sure why when like you said its a boring route and they are including locos we've already had in Ruhr-Sieg Nord and Main Spessart Bahn (and maybe others as well?). There's also not really much potential for S-Bahn as that only runs a short part of the route.

    Similarly I don't understand why they are building the DB BR 101 for Koln-Aachen, when it doesn't even run on that route? It would make a lot more sense for Munchen-Augsburg as BR 101 IC services run there.
     
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    A good choice in my opinion. Large cities, a large Hamburg station, dense urban development, a developed cargo yard, a depot, beautiful landscapes, a large number of services, many directions for expanding the route. I am looking forward to this route and I am sure that I will not be disappointed. I will definitely buy.
     
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  24. Snek

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    Yeah, the Hamburg part is great, but pretty much the only interesting point on the entire route. I find the beautiful landscape quite plain and boring, but obviously others have different views.
    I wish there was a big cargo yard, but there is actually only a small one in Lübeck, so as a freight fan this route doesn't offer much to me.
    And sadly they don't do extensions so a completely different route out of Hamburg is much more likely to happen.

    I just don't think this is the kind of route TSW needs as we already have similar ones. But enough complaining, at least I have RSN.

    If they include a part of Lübeck port it might actually make me interested and building the route all the way to Lübeck-Skandinavienkai would be amazing for truck trailer traffic. That would be a route I would buy.
    [​IMG]
     
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  25. kosti.nuuja

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    But what about Lübeck-Kiel, which is non-electrified.
     
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  26. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    If the db br 101 doesn´t run on koln aachen, then I don´t understand why they are making that train for that route. It seems more of a cash grab. I will not be buying that train
     
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    Since SKA is in the base game, everyone can buy it, and they can have additional services for every other route. If HMA was it base route, less people would buy it because not every player owns HMA. It's a marketing thing ;)
     
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    True, even if it impacts the realism. I'd bet the 101 will add layers to at least SKA and HMA. It'll be an add-on for the base game, so I believe dovetail will be inclined to add 101 layers to more routes then. So it's all good.
     
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    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    Yes it would add more services to ska but itś unrealistic for a sim if they keep advertising their routes as having real life timetables with the proper trains that would run on that timetable
     
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    Hamburg - Hannover would be pretty good as it could have the ICE 2 which might be intresting
     
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    And this Train we get probably for Hamburg dlc like on Train Simulator the 648 Diesel 5F0FB38E-6D5B-487F-B3A7-47CE0BCA5436.jpeg
     
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  32. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    That train looks nice
     
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    In general there are too many German routes lol. America really needs some love. We only have 4 current American routes if you count CN Oakville subdivision as one.
     
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  34. tallboy7648

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    The germans have dominated north america and the u.s in terms of passenger routes. Edited by DTG Natster
     
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    Not the point of this post. If you like more american routes, go to the suggestion forum and make your own suggestion(s) ;)
     
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    tallboy7648 I have edited your message you will have been well aware was inappropriate, don't do it again.
     
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  37. Mr heff

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    Totally agree, I don't know whether it's a lack of common sense that they make routes that aren't so interesting or whether it's a monetary issue.
     
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  38. Articuno

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    There are 2 ICE trains a day in each direction (They go from Lubeck to Munchen overall). So they could add this small layer of ICE trains? (Depending on what ICE stock is used irl - I have no idea I just looked up Deutsche Bahn timetable)
     
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    Articuno there are two trains per day, one with ICE 2 (BR 402) and one with ICE-T (BR 411). There are also some Intercitys, but I don't know if they change their loco in Hamburg or in Lübeck to a BR 218.
     
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    If they add the ICE 2 then everything will be fine.
     
  41. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    You can't take a joke. Some British must lack a sense of humor or must be sensitive to it
     
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    The BR232 is confirmed already 5FC71A11-0BB4-483C-A89B-60327E388FCA.jpeg
     
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    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    Personaly, I won't be getting the 232 but I will get the 420
     
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    I’m the opposite lol. I’ll be thrilled to finally be in the driver’s seat of a big German diesel!
     
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