What's up with the BR 112 on Hamburg - Lubeck? If there's even the slightest of drizzles of rain or snow, I need to cut power all the way back to 40 percent, on a 5 car set of Dostos. And braking? Better start 1.5 km before you need to actually stop or you're not gonna make it. This can't be realistic, can it?
The Class 31 brakes work fine (just change the timing to passenger and they are like any other diesel from that era) but the BR112 brakes are actually broken. Sometimes the brakes on the loco don’t activate at all so you are braking with only the passenger car brakes. It’s never been right.
Oh I know which is why I love the loco. Trains that don't stop on a dime are far more interesting to drive than those where you can hit the platform ramp at 60km/h or 40 MPH and still come to a stand 250 metres later.
On a related note, I’ve had an interesting conversation with a train driver about something similar on the Br 141. Apparently, the driver’s brake valve (manual lapped one) never really worked reliably or rather predictably. You’d get the exact issue stujoy is describing. Sometimes, the loco doesn’t want to brake at all and only the coaches braked. Other the times, the loco did brake despite expectations and you ended up braking a lot harder than you wanted. Life on the railroad never gets boring
Don't forget that both BR 143 and 112 have the "Erich-Honecker-Gedenksekunde": when starting to break, it takes a couple of seconds for the power to cut and the brakes to activate.
Good one! Will think of that every time I wait for the brakes to kick in now… feels more like a minute!
Drive it like a DR BR243 where you start to brake about 1km from the stop. I do that method on RSN and Riesa-Dresden and Is your traction force set to 120% or 100%
143 is significantly slower, and has brakes that actually works. Also, the traction force lever does nothing in this case.
Traction force is normally set to 100 (120 causes wheel slip even in the dry lol) but I do not believe that is is realistic that I need to adjust the Traction Force to 40 percent when it is ever so slightly raining. The 143 is actually faster than the 112. The cab of the 112 has a sticker that says: max speed 120. The 143 has a sticker that says: max speed 140.
You are not pulling anything, with anything, with 100% traction in the rain, or while dry without damaging the equipment assuming you actually pull with 100% even from a stop. No, Br143 has a Vmax of 120kmh and is a multipurpose locomotive hence the "4" and why it is used for passenger trains AND freight, many times on slower routes. Hamburg - Lubeck is a fast route and so is the 112. Now, I just checked in-game and neither does have any sticker in the cab referring Vmax so I don't really know what you are on about to be honest♀️
It isn't. I think I made a thread 2 years ago comparing it against the real thing. Don't remember what thread though.
That's not really true. Plenty of modern AC locomotives allow you to pull 100% from a stop on dry rails. I even have video evidence of this fact (that I can't share). For older locomotives that use tap changers and DC or universal motors you're correct. Going to tap 28 on a BR110 from a standstill will trip the motor overcurrent relays.
Well, 112 is far from modern, which the topic was about, no? Even on a modern locomotive I wouldn't, just because you potentially could, chain couplers and passengers considered. Of course I *could* handle a 425 as if it was a Sbahn 420, but I'm not going to. Of course, this is my opinion.
Very well, fair enough. I still stand by my point however that you'd be damaging the goods regardless, the passengers in this case.
True, but the 112 uses an automatic tap changer, where the driver sets the speed with the AFB lever and the loco figures out how to reach set speed. So the use of a tap changer automatically means that it isn’t applying 100% current from the get-go.
It's way more modern than you think. It was miles ahead the days back when it was introduced. Its even more. The taps are used only when the manual driving mode is used by the driver (Hilfssteuerung). When the "AFB" is used the taps are just a number displayed, not having any use. The loco uses a step-less Thyristor "tap"-changer. So it can basically regulate the power like a modern loco, even with considering the slip amounts and such things.
I know I've said this elsewhere, but try using the "assist braking" found on your right. Somehow it gives me actual control over braking and the 112 becomes a fun ride. I disregard reality entirely and flip it on at Hamburg and I leave it on for the entire service.
I did notice that switch but had no idea how it worked or if it even worked. Thanks for the tip, I will try it next time I find myself in a 112.
Out of interest Maik, does the TSW version support this? Generally I dislike driving with the speed setter and prefer to use my skill (!) on the throttle to control speed. Same as why I rarely use cruise control on my car.
Which one? There are two modes. I assume the one that disables traction lockout, the lock is very aggressive on the 112 so it's very handy indeed. 143 also used to have such an aggressive lock years ago
No idea. I didn't bother with the Ladies in TSW yet. I just fixed some sound years ago. I fiddled too much with them in TSC already (the 112 is a Diamond in how it behaves there) to cope with it in TSW too. I could have a look into the simulation, but tbh. why,,,
Oh another Swede . The Rc definitely holds a special place in my heart. For those that don't know, it can brag about being the first series locomotive that used DC thyristor drive (at least 15 years older than the DR 243) It actually doesn't have a tap changer at all, the effort control is continuous.
1007, today one of two preserved orange Rc:s Apparently we will newer get a swedish route, our only hope is X995 DLC for NEC...
One day maybe With the public editor being released the probability changed from zero to non-zero at least
That is definitely a dream of mine, but nothing I'm actively working on at the moment. I'd love to make a Rc with fully simulated ATC (which would require a route of course). I do think DTG are sleeping on Swedish routes. Malmbanan (Iron Ore Line) seems like something that would be attractive for global users, not just Swedes. But anytime a new country is introduced it requires so many assets to be made, trains, safety systems etc. It's a big investment so I get why DTG have stuck (mostly, and until TSW4) to DE/UK/US.
