Wonky Planes At Gatwick

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  1. JeffFromTheIRS

    JeffFromTheIRS Member

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    Love the new route so far, but the inaccuracy of the plane ruined "mah immersion" xD

    I'm honestly surprised that they didn't bother at least making a somewhat proper-looking plane.
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    (totally not a small and minor nitpick LOL)
     
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  2. skyMutt

    skyMutt Well-Known Member

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    It is a small and minor nitpick considering this is a train sim, but dammit I would be lying if I said it didn't slightly annoy me as well :D

    The reasoning, as far as I'm aware, is that if they moved the engines further up the wing and closer to the fuselage, it'll start to vaguely look like any other twin engine widebody jet, and that runs the risk of copyright infringement.
    I, for one, would heavily doubt that Boeing or Airbus would even bother, but given that this was brought up with the Koln-Aachen route and their response was that it was intentionally modeled this way...well, this is the most reasonable sounding explanation to me.

    Or maybe...just maybe, DTG found another way to increase jet fuel efficiency :D
     
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  3. rjeeves#3580

    rjeeves#3580 New Member

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    Maybe its some weird prediction. Remember the 800s were in the original Train Simulator long before they ventured out onto the main line. Maybe this is a weird prediction of where twin engine jets are developing to.
     
  4. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    I think I read In another post it stopped a complaint
     
  5. Cramnor

    Cramnor Well-Known Member

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    They said on stream that with TS they actually got a big aircraft manufacturer knocking on their door - which is ridiculous of the manufacturers. But if the manufacturers are like that, that seems the only option for a plane we can get at the moment, until it is modded or DTG can get a license :( So it seems to be completely intentional and like that for a reason.
     
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  6. JeffFromTheIRS

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    Huh, wouldn't have thought that there would be complaints over a plane looking too similar to the manufacturers - considering that almost every airplane looks similar to each other in some form or another xD

    Alas, I suppose I'll just have to avoid looking up when at Gatwick :D
     
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  7. tmsb29

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    I find it quite off-putting too, not just at Gatwick but on all the routes where they feature.
     
  8. HeyYoPaulie!

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  9. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps they should have modelled a Comet or VC10 landing…
     
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  10. byeo

    byeo Well-Known Member

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    No wonder Flight Sim World ended so abruptly..
     
  11. Cameron's Gaming

    Cameron's Gaming Well-Known Member

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    You mean this?
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    This was after the Intercity Express Programme was announced, so we knew it was coming and I think this was based on early technical drawings.

    Having said that, this CGI image is from 2009 so it's a bit like that game where you look at an image for 30 seconds then have to reproduce it from memory.
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  12. Coppo

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    Perhaps they could replace it with[​IMG]
    this one... I'm sure the Gerry Anderson estate would be receptive..
     
  13. frank1116

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    A major car manufacturer has given licence to this marvelous W201, so it might be easier to have a proper looking airplane than expected. ;););)

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  14. frank1116

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    Thanks for sharing! Will refrain from buying.
     
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  15. davidh0501

    davidh0501 Well-Known Member

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    You'd think EasyJet would like the exposure.
    I for one wouldn't get on a plane looking like that.
    Madness.
     
  16. FD1003

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    That is completely ridiculous, on the TS model they actually had the Airbus A310 writing on it, and the actual Star Alliance logo, what did they expect?
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    Unless they just want to cop out, that doesn't mean that everything that closely resembles a flying machine is illegal.

    It's like me trying to do a game with some car brands, they come to ask me a license and to respond to that my next game has cars that look like this
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    MSFS has generic models that are CLEARLY neither Airbus nor Boeing, I am not saying a plane model for a train sim has to look that good, but it proves the point that a generic model doesn't have to look absolutely awful. BTW the livery is a mod, the stock ones only have a generic livery
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    Train manufactures are not bothered as long as they don't have the "BOMBARDIER" writing on the nose of the 187, or the GE sticker on the 4400CW, but you make a low poly plane model that doesn't even try to imitate a real one (unlike the one in TS), and you get the MI6 knocking at your door. What a ridiculous argument.
     
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  17. CrAzZyKiLLa

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    Matt posted in another thread that the main reason it doesn’t look exactly like any place is because of strict aviation licensing rules. But as mention above i look forward to it getting an overhaul in an upcoming mod (pc only).
     
  18. OldVern

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    So what about the static plane on the airfield in one of the Snowrunner Alaska maps (think it's White Valley)? At least it actually resembles something that could fly!
     
  19. FD1003

    FD1003 Well-Known Member

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    How so strange that only DTG has such licensing issue that the only way to make a plane, is making in such a way that it doesn't even resemble anything that ever existed.

    I wonder how many licensing claim GTA got for the planes at LSIA.
     
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  20. Cramnor

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    I believe that British licensing laws are much more tricky than American for example. I am by no means an expert on this field, but I got the feeling from what was said on multiple streams that if DTG was based in the US or probably even somewhere else in Europe, some things would be easier for them to do than they currently are. So in the end, this plane being like it is has it's reason(s), which are not incompetence or laziness, but based on information from people who actually know what they are doing (hopefully :D). And comparing DTG to for example Rockstar is like comparing apples to chairs ;)
     
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  21. frank1116

    frank1116 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, licences are an issue, but this sound like a cheap excuse. I am interested in this rules and might do some research.
     
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  22. Crosstie

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    I'm going to take a very close look at the cars, trucks, RV's and school buses in th US routes to make sure they don't resemble the real thing too accurately
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  23. FD1003

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    I don't believe they are so strict that even a generic model of a plane can be considered as something that needs a license.

    Matt mentioned TS, where they said multiple times that for TS they didn't really care about licensing, and if their model have Airbus or Boeing writing or other logos, it's fair they get in trouble.

    Matt also said they had some problems with FSW, where I would assume they were aiming to recreate something resembling a real aircraft, so again, it's fair they got complaints.

    But realistically, if they took the existing plane model and just positioned the engines close to the fuselage, would it remember you of any plane in particular? No, it could be an A330, 777, A350, 767, even a Comac C919.

    Do you really think that Airbus would knock at their door if they moved those two engines a bit closer to the fuselage, claiming it's clearly an A330 reproduction or something? Obviously not.

    If it had the obviously Airbus round nose, or the obviously Boeing more pointy nose, or any attribute that was reminiscent of a real aircraft than I can see why they could get in trouble, but with something that generic it would be absurd.

    Edit:
    Actually, you know what? The plane DTG is using is clearly inspired by the B-52 bomber, the only plane to place the engines so far from the fuselage. It could also be an Airbus A340 with two missing engines.
     

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  24. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    Oi, Airbus, your A320 looks remarkably similar to a Boeing 737. It’s even got seats in rows and the pilot sits at the front. How did you get away with that? Dovetail can’t even draw a generic looking plane that looks a bit like both without getting into trouble and they aren’t even a competitor.
     
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    I don't really understand the excuse from dtg to be honest. They could just move the engines a bit. Are copyright laws that strict in the U.K?
     
  26. chieflongshin

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    We used to have a chocolate bar called a marathon. That was name changed as runners were offended they were likened to a melting cocoa product. I can see the issue with planes
     
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  27. Crosstie

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    This whole issue beggars belief.
     
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  28. dr1980

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    It’s possible to create a generic aircraft without it having the engines at a place on a wing that no aircraft has. I always hating seeing this thing fly over on the Caltrain route as well as the Miata route in Train Simulator.
     
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  29. JeffFromTheIRS

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    Initially posted this a as a joke complaint, but it's interesting to see everyone's perspective on this issue tbh
     

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