York On Ecml Line In Tsw4

York is a massive mainline station in the UK and historically one of the main stations so having on tsw4 would be a great addition to the Peterborough to Doncaster line and it may make people more likely to buy It
Hope someone sees this and takes it into consideration for the future

 

Should have been included tbh

 

I don't think it would add much gameplay and that section is dull as dishwater. It would be great to have York, Leeds and Lincoln added though at some point with an 800 and 225.

 

I still hold out hope that at some point we'll get York-Newcastle with York (Potential for reuse in a York-Leeds leg of the transpennine route), Thirsk, Northallerton, Darlington (They at least have an existing starting point to work from there), Durham (The viaduct, with the view of the castle and cathedral <3 lots of opportunity for a Lumiere reskin as a mastery reward too), Chester Le Street, and Newcastle (Potentially also a starting point for Newcastle-Carlisle or a Tyne & Wear Metro route).

 

Whilst it may be dull, at least LNER have some terminating services at York which go back to London.

None of the existing stations have stations where LNER terminate (at least within the scope of the route).

 

Leeds would be a better point to end it on tbh. Between Leeds and Donny there are 7 stations and even a bit slower paced with the top speed being 100mph on this section. Also the potential to add the Class 331 which does the hourly all stops from Leeds to Doncaster. The only disadvantage is that Leeds will be quiet.

 

most trains go to york though, most services would end up ending at doncaster and continue along the mainline as ai

 

true

 

Oh yes hence me saying it would be great to have York.

 

I can see why they didn't include it though, would have been an extra 30 miles.

But you could get around that by saying its only one more station (which it is seeing as Selby is no longer on the ECML) and mostly scenery.

 

or York to Scarborough with the TPE 68 and 185. This could also mean that The Scarborough Spa Express could happen in timetable mode with the Jubilee as a layer

 

As great as it would've been to have York included with Ecml, I'm kinda glad it isn't for 1 specific reason: Ai layers

As of yet we have no Dmu's in Tsw in Northern livery and TPE isn't currently featured at all, without these layers, York would look and feel as dead as a doormat just like Birmingham New Street and Glasgow Central do and I for one do not want to see another large iconic station in that state.

 

Make sense as to why its not included then I suppose?

But don't Peterborough/Doncaster have trains and train companies that are also not featured?

 

Peterborough does have the Emt class 158 and the Thameslink class 700.

I can see your point with Doncaster though but that could be partially alleviated by having random static stock in the sidings next to the station, the factory there is often host to different trains from all over the UK.

 

Yeah, hopefully.

I know I have seen a 465 there before.

 

They probably wanted to do a section that took less time.

 

That would be good as well anything that include York would be good because it is a pretty station to include

 

It’s an extra 30 miles but most of the scenery is basic and could be autogened easily

 

There are no stations inbetween Doncaster and York, it’s just farmland

 

Really, it should have been.

Suppose we can't complain though, at least we got something.

 

I’m still disappointed in the choice of route tbh, even if we got it, we should have had it to York or got a branch

 

A long time ago i suggested the ecml peterborough - york:

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/ecml-peterborough-to-york-not-london-kings-cross.64863/

now we are about to get that, minus the doncaster - york stretch. While i would obviously love the line up to york included, the reality is the scenery isn't what it used to be on this stretch.

there used to be a really nice section where the line to selby branches off, with the massive eggborough power station on the west side as you curve around the line at 125mph.. but that power station is all gone now. That would have made for interesting on-route scenery.

then having york station included would be great, but it would also be empty. There would be a train in each direction every half an hour (with an additional terminating train every 2 hours in the daytime) there would be no additional ai layers, and i feel a lot of people would complain that it feels like another glasgow central, or birmingham new street in terms of how empty it is.

finally having the northern terminus at doncaster actually makes a lot of sense when you break it down..

the (lner operated) line at doncaster brances off to leeds and to york. By having the line end at doncaster, all traffic from both these lines enters and leaves here, which will make doncaster feel MUCH busier than york could in this setting.. approximately twice as busy with a half hourly york (one stopping, one not as ai only) and half hourly leeds (both stopping).. plus there is the relatively new azuma depot at doncaster, which is another reason it makes sense to have doncaster as the northern end of this section.. i imagine there will be plenty of empty depot moves between doncaster and the depot.

Also there should be ai (i don't know if there will be, i'd love this to be confirmed or not by someone at dtg!) of the 5 daily trips of east midlands trains from doncaster platform 5 towards gainsborough and lincoln using class 158 in the game.

you could even make an argument to add the class 323 in northern livery to operate the ai services from platform 6 towards leeds (in reality they don't use class 323 for these services, but i personally wouldn't object at all to this to make doncaster feel even more alive)

so i guess what i'm trying to say is the more you think about it, the more it makes logical sense to end the route at doncaster and not york.. as nice as the extra mileage would be

Edit: what i would personally love to see is the class 158 at doncaster in a new northern livery skin.. it won't happen but that would make doncaster feel very, very busy and alive! It could even populate the lower level retford platforms too.. as that way every single one of the five stations would have some form of ai services at them.. but that's just wishful thinking!

 

Doncaster will be the same though, and there isn’t any built up areas until you get right into York station, plus you get terminating services and you can drive faster services that skip Peterborough. It would be empty but so would Doncaster

 

Quite sure Matt debunked the suggestion that this was possible whilst maintaining an acceptable standard.

 

Fair point, ending it at Doncaster just doesn’t make sense to me

 

I think the best idea would be to add the extra 25 or so miles to Leeds but that won't happen now, perhaps as a future route I would also like to see Nottingham to Lincoln with a 800, 156 and 158, the 800 will run from Newark Northgate to Lincoln and the 156 and 158 will do Newark Castle-Matlock as far as Nottingham aswell as the Nottingham-Lincoln which I think they do.

 

Yep.. York is my favourite city and I love the station so seeing it in TSW4 would be a dream come true.. that and a Welsh route

 

Swindon to Cardiff hopefully

 

I would love the north wales coastal

 

might as well do it as ECML Newcastle upon Tyne Doncaster

 

agreed! Would be brilliant if we had the Llandudno Branch and the Conwy Valley Line with that!