Frankfurt S-bahn Discussion

the problem is with frankfurt hbf being empty is that it also affects some services for example on the normal timetable you can use ice 1 and 3 for services via the flughafen to wiesbaden and now console dont even get those services at all which is in my opinion pretty annoying bc the ice 1 and br403 already dont layer on so many routes in tsw

 

Seems to be a pattern with successive iterations of TSW. No doubt we'll see few if any changes to the current version before it's swept away by the PR tsunami accompanying TSW6 or whatever the fall brings.

 

If I play it on the Microsoft store PC version which timetable do I get reduced or the full one if it's the full timetable one pretty much the Xbox Community can just run it onto the PC complete with modding

 

So what do consoles actually get timetable wise ?

 

If I'm not mistakien, PC timetable is 1010 services, console timetable is 635 (430 / 423 / 143 / ICE T / dostos)

 

So no freight jobs buts is there freight on the pc timetable.

 

The number of freight services is very low, I believe. Not much runs on the lines as represented in real life, so there isn't much to put in-game.

 

Oh ok I thought read somewhere it was part of a busy freight route.

 

If your only continuing bugbear with the game is selection of routes, then you're either incredibly easily pleased, or work for DTG.

 

As it stands, the game is incredibly badly optimised. Actions speak louder than words, we'll believe it when it happens.

 

I am afraid, but I don't think the regional station at Frankfurt Airport was thoroughly researched. This blue wall mosaic wasn't there in 2019. The regional station was only modernized during the almost three-month closure, and in that context, it received the aforementioned mosaic. The same applies to the pillars – they were painted magenta - and the floor tiling on the platforms.

This video shows the station in 2019 before the renovation. This article, which, by the way, can be googled in just a few minutes, even confirms my statements that the station didn't look like the one shown in the DTG video in 2019 – and even more so in 2018, when the line was located. If at all only plattform 1 was renovated at that time, although I remember it being in the old design layout when I worked at FRA during 2018, as such the station should be displayed in older dull design as it appeared in 2018 prior to the renovation and closure for connecting Gateway Gardens.

My question: can that be fixed?

The line itself makes a very good impression

Best regards.

PS. Are some ICE trains also routed via Regionalbahnhof as this was and is common when Fernbahnhof has problems - Video from 2024 and 2019.

 

Well, I can confirm I don't work for DTG. Which means I don't have to be quite so polite when immature people resort to insults just because I have a different opinion to theirs.

I'm incredibly fussy actually, there's just more important things happening in the world to get angry about. A slightly buggy simulator doesn't even register on my stress levels. But you are clearly more exercised about it than I am and that's fine, we're all individuals with different priorities in our lives.

 

nice comment ... speaking of bugs, for some weird and probably twisted reasons I dont mind passengers appearing on tracks or cars running the crossings on some routes, if you know what I mean (thats what over a decade of working in retail/bookshops does to you lol)

 

I specified your problem with the game, not the wider world. There were no insults, unless you are suggesting me saying you work for DTG is an insult. Hope you continue to be absolutely delighted with everything they put out.

 

I was merely pointing out that one of the advantages of not working for DTG is that I don't have to be as polite on the occasions I get insulted, I don't think I accused you of insulting me but maybe suggesting I'm easily pleased could be construed as being disdainful and/or discourteous.

I think it's a valid point to say that because I'm stressed about other things in my world that issues with a computer game are inconsequential in the greater scheme of things and don't cause me to attain the levels of anger I see from others. As I said "That's fine, we're all individuals with different priorities in life".

In order to "continue to be absolutely delighted with everything [DTG] put out" I'd have to have started to be absolutely delighted at a prior point. I'm not "absolutely delighted" with everything, you may have noticed my reference to my opinion of releases being "slightly buggy" or read the constructive feedback I've given on some releases over the last 8 years on this forum.

But anyway, this is a boring read for everyone else. I'm happy for you to DM me and we can pick up this difference in opinions in more detail. I'm trained in dispute resolution and settle commerical litigation cases when I'm working, so you're in safe hands.

 

“Slightly buggy”

 

Owned him in Times New Roman xD

 

yes, there is no freight transport (not even AI) and there are no BR101 + ÏC coaches, and there is probably no traffic to Frankfurt Hbf and many others that mainly operate to Frankfurt Hbf

 

Unfortunately the Hbf signales have the same habbits that we have seen on FTF already. IRL it would always be the closest signal to you indicating the clear to move. You can not start a "Zugfahrt" against a Kennlicht. If there is a second signal after that this would show the Kennlicht. However in TSW it is usually the second one giving the clear and you have to start against the Kennlicht. But this is a compromise I can live with.

As to the PZB magnets in the Tief station. There are no 500Hz magnets there IRL. In fact, the signal at the end is protected using three individual GPAs. One at the beginning of that platform, one at the middle and one at the end. The end is apparently checking for 5kph (plus the usual tolerance of 10kph). Lukas was talking about this also in the German wednesday stream.

Edit: I have seen your question on discord regarding the Halbregelabstand in Mainz Kastel. I would be really interested to hear what the outcome was of this enquiry? Did you get an answer on this (there was none in the public discord at least…)?

 

To be more specific I referred to this signal, not to the short/long departure signals.

 

Just watched the first 40 minutes or so of the preview stream and have to say this is actually quite good. Looks to be a lot of love and detail gone into the building and really does show up the appalling lack of scope and care taken with CCN. Particularly as both routes cost the same. The 430 looks and sound good with the information that the real sounds were recorded and used rather than synthesising from existing EMU stock also very welcome.

Apparent though that even Matt’s NASA PC was hitching in one or two places, so it will be interestIng to see how it runs on my potato, even with graphics nuked down to 1440p.

So subject to my final brain machinations, unlike Ludwig, I may well be tempted to part with £30 for this on Tuesday.

 

You traitor Vern!

 

Well not quite Frankfurt but I’m off to Augsburg so I might see some train action.

 

Hee hee. Well I’m standing my ground as regards the dire Cardiff City, but at least on the Frankfurt route you can see a bit of care has gone into it. Also for some reason I find the German bus stop routes less tedious than the British ones, maybe because you get a choice of stopping, semi fast and the occasional fast service.

 

I love the German content just disappointed when they cut the busyness out of a route. I like passing lots of trains. I will look at peoples reactions before I pull the trigger.

I really find myself just playing the German routes, they just seem better made.

 

From what I saw in Matin's preview stream of this route, the 423 services seem to only run the short stretch between Frankfurt-Höchst Farbwerke and the main station. It would honestly be great however if some 423s ran the whole line to Wiesbaden, as I believe some also did irl. It'd be a shame to rework an older EMU just for it to have just a small bit of gameplay. I hope that either DTG amends the timetable for this, or that Maik Goltz' 420 timetable gives the 423 more running length for its services.

 

I'm pretty much persuaded to buy the Frankfurt S Bahn. It looks well made ( I assume TSG or somebody must have helped to some extent ) and I like the complexity of the track work and the variety of layered trains among other things.

And MP was quite clear that they would not make this intricate a route again, at least not for the foreseeable future.

So we might be looking at the zenith of TSW route making.

 

imagine my disappointment today as I've found out it's only 19th lol... I was looking forward to playing it today ... ah well, at least I got fresh Elden Ring addiction or other routes to keep me busy

 

Definetly buying this route!

 

First Official Video

 

A minor observation watching some more of the preview and skipping past the XBone section to the ICE run. The night lighting doesn’t look… great. Very dim lighting effects on building windows and very little ambient light from street lamps etc. evident. I know we are stuck with TSW limitations on light pollution (none existent) but having done a couple of runs on Maintalbahn and Luzern to Sursee last week, their town and cityscapes have passably agreeable illumination effects.

Could just be degradation from the streaming process of course, guess we will find out tomorrow evening.

 

But it's in german. I know it but many don't.

 

wouldn't say official, especially when it's Felix...

 

I hope tsg will combine the 420 release with an expert timetable update.

From watching the stream, ill get this route day 1. Especially with the upcoming 420.

 

One small detail that I believe was not mentioned in the preview stream (I skipped the console part):
The left screen shows, besides the line number and terminus, the next stop

 

If the 420 sounds as good as if not better than its TSC predecessor, it will be a real treat thrashing across this route.

 

They should have released the 420 the same day as s bahn release witch is tomorrow.

 

Yes a bundle for £40 would have been nice. However other than the 420 may still not be release ready, they probably want to give the route a bedding in period and not have the dual support issues of the two products together.

 

A bit worrying, but I'm so used to the terrible night lighting on many TSW routes that I usually stick to daylight driving.

Also, as you say, it may look better on my machine. Streams are notoriously unreliable graphically.

 

I guess it's not finished. It's still WIP, so why release an unfinished product?

 

Maik just so happens to not be done with it. Consider the things that'll have to be done since the decision of a Rhein-Main 420 came up: making a variant, new models, new decals, aswell as updating the munich 420 to be on the same level as the frankfurt 420 model-wise, unique sounds that are different between the two versions (for example the whistle) etc... oh, and the timetable which also requires changes.

 

Turn on subtitles, then in Settings turn on auto-translate to your language of choice

 

When have DTG ever done that? The only exceptions I can think of were when TSW5 dropped and the Flix and 390 were available at the same time, but in all other cases I recall, even planned loco DLC came a couple of weeks later (e.g. Acela)

 

The problem is there’s so much German rolling stock, like mostly every German route uses the same red DB livery. I know it’s like that irl, but I find German content very repetitive in that sense.

I don’t think UK routes would suffer from reduced timetables as each UK tends to use different rolling stock.
I’m honestly surprised Cathcart is so well optimised on consoles (9th gen) as in Glasgow central there’s easily 10-15 trains in the vicinity at one time.

 

anyway, we know it comes out on May 20th, and on Steam at usual 6pm CET?

 

The DB Dostos are replaced on all NRW Routes with the Desiro HC, or Hamburg Lübeck with Stadler Kiss and Mannheim or Linke Rheinstrecke with the Süwex Flirt to Frankfurt and Mannheim

 

The issue as always is licensing. DTG doesn't have any of the private passenger TOCs on their list, except Flixtrain. And Verkehrsrot never looks grossly wrong, even on services which IRL are run by Abellio etc.

 

The Stadler Kiss and Süwex Flirt is still DB Regio but in the Verkehrsverbund Livery

 

For related reasons I've always wanted DTG to do an official version of the VVRR green livery, since red EMUs on HRR and RRO are just... wrong. (There used to be a great mod, but TSW 3 killed it and it's never been updated)

 

The BR 422 mod still works