Enough Is Enough!!! Rivet Games Edition

When the driving experience is vvank thanks to Rivet’s involvement, can you really say it’s been delivered?

 

I respect your difference of opinion. But to make a counteract argument to the last part of your statement... I can only really sum it up with an analogy.

If we are talking about outputs, that are the 'same', if you were a food and restaurant enthusiast, the top tier level of restaurant that you could go to would probably be a Michelin star level restaurant to get the top tier and premium quality type of food for your palette and to enjoy the sheer quality and effort it can offer. Equally, McDonalds is a restaurant (only by a very thin margin in my opinion!), and their output is also food... But it is not near enough the same quality of the Michelin star one! Two different outputs of food, one with a far better and rich quality, and one thats just edible. Both are consumed, but one is far better tasting and exciting then the other. The difference is, one costs a fair amount of money, and the other substantially less for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately in TSW we don't have that luxury of having price differences based on quality and are expected to pay the full standard whack regardless of the quality and hence where some of the resentment towards Rivet comes from where customers have felt short changed and let down for what they have paid for.

The same applies to developers for TSW, both produce the same thing as far as trains are concerned. But the overall quality and detail differs drastically between Rivet, JT, and Incredible Trains, the latter two are very good, the first one though, not so much!

 

You clearly settle for hamburgers…
I settle for steak.

Does it though? (It does what it says on the tin) Does that include Rivet advertising broken train sounds on some of their products then? If it affects a lot of consumers experience, shouldn’t the dev responsible take accountability for their work? Wouldn’t you want to get on your customers good side?

You know you can criticise, a dev won’t bite your head off or sell you future shoddy products lol.
Speaking up helps a lot in the long run, stuff gets fixed, improved for the game… expect if the dev is Rivet!

 

For the people making food analogys, I don't care if it's hamburgers or steak, fine dining or Macdonald's, it's all food and it don't matter what it looks or tastes like going in your body, because it's all going to be the same when it's coming back out.......

Same goes for DLC, don't matter who or what company is making it, it will all come with pretty much the same issue's. So heaping tons of praise on one Dev company but wishing the death of another Dev company is pure insanity, but if that helps people get through the day I guess......

 

But they have given thier reasons and proof, just because you don't agree doesn't make them invalid either.

No offence the but the critics are just as bad as the defenders in my opinion.

Neither wants to hear or listen to what the other side thinks.

I'm not taking side because in my opinion both are right, there are some good Rivet routes out there and I think they are overly critisized by people.

But I also know those people are justified in what they say as Rivet haven't done much to fix their reputation. And the bad routes do stick out.

There is more bad than good.

Skyhook is fixing their reputation but they don't have a good track record until Adam came along. And have yet to release a route. Adam came in MML was already released and in a terrible state. HSC is bad, Cane creek is awful and the 187 is the worst. So thier track record is worse than Rivets.

But in my opinion the worst 3rd party of all is still Athena Simulations. As the leader of that group was responsible for the terrible MML release and the ECML pack, well that turned out super from what I've read.

 

Can I put in a word for the humble greasy Kebab with lashings of chilli sauce? Food of the gods

Yes they should.
And the developer ultimately responsible for Rivet's output is..............drumroll................DOVETAIL GAMES.
It's just a shame that everyone seems to forget that.

Trifle anyone?

 

Just to clarify I'm not advocating for the death of Rivet, I've been made redundant myself before and if wasn't a pleasant experience and would never wish it on anyone else. (I used to work for Modelzone up until it went into administration in 2013 and stayed up right until the last day before closure).

I'm advocating for Rivet to pull their socks up, listen to feed back and bring their company upto scratch. There is definitely talent within Rivet, but it seems to be strictly around 3D modelling (look at the detail on wheel sets on Rivets rolling stock, it is probably the best in game in my opinion), but in terms of route building, detailing the routes themselves, and timetables it is an absolute shambles. It is frustrating because there attitude is develop, produce a single patch, and then dump content like it has never existed and then closing avenues for other developers to build the same sought after routes.

I'd say I'm trying to advocate for them to get a well deserved kick up the behind and change their image for the better, and have far better post release patches and customer care. No one outside of the community seems to openly hold them accountable otherwise they would have changed by now and quite frankly for the prices of DLC I expect them to be of a certain quality with ongoing improvements.

 

Absolute nonsense. Look at what happened with steam.

Occasionally. More often than not they don't.

 

'To some extent' is the important part of that sentence. And I stand by that, as in the past DTG has gone back and improved certain stuff, and more so then other developers. That's not to say everything they have done is perfect mind, steam and more recently WCMLS are two examples of that.

 

In my younger days my stomach could handle a good 'ol kebab with all the bells and whistles. But now god forbid eating any type of kebab, it wouldn't agree with my body!

 

I have had a life long aversion to spicy food, so no curry, Chinese, Mexican etc. I can only tolerate garlic in the tiniest of measures and get supremely annoyed as it seems to be added to all sorts of things these days, like tinned soup, presumably in lieu of salt. Even the smell of it cooking makes me gag. A (mild) Dolmio or similar spaghetti bolognese is about as spicy as it gets.

 

Yep, love those tasty war rations

 

Smel

The smell of garlic makes me gag as well Vern. My two youngest girls when they were living at home, loved that garlic bread. I couldn't even go in the kitchen after they had been cooking it. On your mention of it added to all sorts, i always check any tinned food, because it gets added to the weirdest foods these days. Tomato soup for one, which i love but avoid certain makes due to garlic contamination.

Well i was born in 1950 so no war time rationing Freddie boy. But there was continued limited food rationing until 1956, including sweets.

 

I really like what Rivet did with the 170 pack, and I'm taking it as an optimistic sign - it's exactly the sort of thing the game needs more of at the moment.

They have introduced some unique and interesting rolling stock in their time and I think if they focussed down on that, bringing more new operators and subclasses for existing locos, they could be onto a real winner.

 

I don't come onto the forums very much anymore, but wow, is this what they have become to where ad hominem has been used?? Is this a train sim world forum for sharing ideas, suggestions and constructive criticism or the Daily Mail comments page?

Unf***ing believable.

 

We are sharing ideas and suggestions, do not eat foreign food or garlic. Stick to scones and trifle...............simples.

 

I totally agree with you, but when you're called out for racism you have to defend yourself, case and point. I'll leave it at though, let's get back to the main topic of this post.

 

That is why i love tsc for that, so much freeware content. It's great.
On of my favourite routes is the whole Southeastern Network as it's very familar to me, i've pretty much travelled every line irl in the past 20 years as i grew up in London. You'd never see a network of that scale in TSW ever, look at CCN. That's as big as they get

 

Can't resist getting into this big end-little end style debate. You can find references to a version of kebab (however spelt) going back way beyond the rise of Islam, at least as far as the Babylonians and Aramaic and also in India and the Uyghur of China (the latter being Turkic speaking). The Turkish word kebap is likely a derivative of Persian kabab. There are countless variations on the dish predating Islam all over Central Asia, so 'Muslim' has nothing to do with kebabs. Having said all that, the specific Doner Kebab is certainly Turkish, but pretty far from most other variations. Vive la difference! (strangely enough not often used in France).
And train game payware gravy train? I'm sure developers are wondering where that consist might be.

 

I believe my food analogy is to blame for setting the the thread up on a food themed trajectory!

One would hope with the recent 170 + timetable improvements to BCC (which I praise Tyler for as an individual), that now Rivet have someone of this calibre on board that we might see some overall improvements. I hope that is the case going forward, but only time will tell. Rivet can't keep putting out the same quality that they have been doing previously and certainly not as we go into another evolution of the game.

 

Speaking of restaurant quality, I was recently in a cafe at a UK seaside resort and it was a bit on the run down side. Whilst ‘enjoying’ a disappointingly small toasted teacake and a cup of weak tea I noticed the table next to me still hadn’t been cleared from a previous customer and it must have been like that for a while as there were ants crawling around on one of the saucers. It was a bit of a shock seeing such low standards. On closer inspection I could see the ants weren’t on the saucer looking for food but they were actually playing a game of football using a crumb as the ball. I watched them for a while and then I heard one of them say “Come on lads, 4-0 down, we’ve got to do better than this… we’re playing in the cup next week.”

 

Your joke license is hereby revoked

But regarding the upcoming match, it sounds like they were a little....

Spoiler

antsy

 

If we're talking food then driving Rivet's 385 has to be the equivalent of eating jellied eels.

 

Can I add to this…

If we're talking food then driving Rivet's 385 has to be the equivalent of eating jellied eels.
Whilst wearing a pair of thick googles coated in Vaseline

 

Deary me. Some people have no shame
Still it looked like a good game.