When the driving experience is vvank thanks to Rivet’s involvement, can you really say it’s been delivered?
I respect your difference of opinion. But to make a counteract argument to the last part of your statement... I can only really sum it up with an analogy. If we are talking about outputs, that are the 'same', if you were a food and restaurant enthusiast, the top tier level of restaurant that you could go to would probably be a Michelin star level restaurant to get the top tier and premium quality type of food for your palette and to enjoy the sheer quality and effort it can offer. Equally, McDonalds is a restaurant (only by a very thin margin in my opinion!), and their output is also food... But it is not near enough the same quality of the Michelin star one! Two different outputs of food, one with a far better and rich quality, and one thats just edible. Both are consumed, but one is far better tasting and exciting then the other. The difference is, one costs a fair amount of money, and the other substantially less for obvious reasons. Unfortunately in TSW we don't have that luxury of having price differences based on quality and are expected to pay the full standard whack regardless of the quality and hence where some of the resentment towards Rivet comes from where customers have felt short changed and let down for what they have paid for. The same applies to developers for TSW, both produce the same thing as far as trains are concerned. But the overall quality and detail differs drastically between Rivet, JT, and Incredible Trains, the latter two are very good, the first one though, not so much!
You clearly settle for hamburgers… I settle for steak. Does it though? (It does what it says on the tin) Does that include Rivet advertising broken train sounds on some of their products then? If it affects a lot of consumers experience, shouldn’t the dev responsible take accountability for their work? Wouldn’t you want to get on your customers good side? You know you can criticise, a dev won’t bite your head off or sell you future shoddy products lol. Speaking up helps a lot in the long run, stuff gets fixed, improved for the game… expect if the dev is Rivet!
For the people making food analogys, I don't care if it's hamburgers or steak, fine dining or Macdonald's, it's all food and it don't matter what it looks or tastes like going in your body, because it's all going to be the same when it's coming back out....... Same goes for DLC, don't matter who or what company is making it, it will all come with pretty much the same issue's. So heaping tons of praise on one Dev company but wishing the death of another Dev company is pure insanity, but if that helps people get through the day I guess......
But they have given thier reasons and proof, just because you don't agree doesn't make them invalid either. No offence the but the critics are just as bad as the defenders in my opinion. Neither wants to hear or listen to what the other side thinks. I'm not taking side because in my opinion both are right, there are some good Rivet routes out there and I think they are overly critisized by people. But I also know those people are justified in what they say as Rivet haven't done much to fix their reputation. And the bad routes do stick out. There is more bad than good. Skyhook is fixing their reputation but they don't have a good track record until Adam came along. And have yet to release a route. Adam came in MML was already released and in a terrible state. HSC is bad, Cane creek is awful and the 187 is the worst. So thier track record is worse than Rivets. But in my opinion the worst 3rd party of all is still Athena Simulations. As the leader of that group was responsible for the terrible MML release and the ECML pack, well that turned out super from what I've read.
Can I put in a word for the humble greasy Kebab with lashings of chilli sauce? Food of the gods Yes they should. And the developer ultimately responsible for Rivet's output is..............drumroll................DOVETAIL GAMES. It's just a shame that everyone seems to forget that. Trifle anyone?
Just to clarify I'm not advocating for the death of Rivet, I've been made redundant myself before and if wasn't a pleasant experience and would never wish it on anyone else. (I used to work for Modelzone up until it went into administration in 2013 and stayed up right until the last day before closure). I'm advocating for Rivet to pull their socks up, listen to feed back and bring their company upto scratch. There is definitely talent within Rivet, but it seems to be strictly around 3D modelling (look at the detail on wheel sets on Rivets rolling stock, it is probably the best in game in my opinion), but in terms of route building, detailing the routes themselves, and timetables it is an absolute shambles. It is frustrating because there attitude is develop, produce a single patch, and then dump content like it has never existed and then closing avenues for other developers to build the same sought after routes. I'd say I'm trying to advocate for them to get a well deserved kick up the behind and change their image for the better, and have far better post release patches and customer care. No one outside of the community seems to openly hold them accountable otherwise they would have changed by now and quite frankly for the prices of DLC I expect them to be of a certain quality with ongoing improvements.
'To some extent' is the important part of that sentence. And I stand by that, as in the past DTG has gone back and improved certain stuff, and more so then other developers. That's not to say everything they have done is perfect mind, steam and more recently WCMLS are two examples of that.
Let’s be honest if you eat this muck for dinner, there’s something wrong with you. Being pxxxed up is the only exception though. Plus it’s rare to find a good kebab now days as every kebab shop is run by Muslims and non-Turkish folk. Only the Turkish can make a decent kebab.
Oooh personal insults. Oooh casual racism. And all over someone's perception of how a computer game is put together. Wow. (Either that or the shock of seeing a Union Jack on a trifle). So in the interests of balance here is a picture of a Turkish Delight Trifle. It's actually rather tasty (Other nationalities and religions also make trifles). Probably not available at the Michelin starred restaurants I'm afraid........but you could ask I suppose. Plenty more food based postings to come
