Neckartalbahn: Heidelberg - Neckarelz From Tsg Discussion Thread

They're improving the steam physics. The article says so and Lukas confirmed it on TSC Discord last night they've been at it for about three months now.

 

I saw the map of this to bad this route only few place away from Mannheim and Heilbroon to link up with both routes

 

Bm234 in the shots.

 

IIRC didn’t they have fabric style seats or in 1974 would they still have been plastic/vinyl?

In any event, I think this DLC will need a “Sore Bum” achievement for spending more than 30 minutes travelling sat down as a passenger in these coaches!

 

That's something I've been thinking too. Linking the route to Mannheim in the north and Heilbronn in the south would have made for some interesting route hopping opportunities. Just think about how jarring it would be... arriving at Mannheim from K'lautern in a 425 and hopping to the other route to take over a 23. And then changing into a 111 at Heilbronn

But it would also have added a lot of length to the route. I'd rather have a moderate-size but detailed and beautiful route, than a long and barren one.

 

And what would that bring us? According to german forums, the steam trains stopped at Heidelberg and went back ...
They did not continue on

 

The biggest issue with extending to Heilbronn is well, Heilbronn itself. In the era it is enormous and would be something of a nightmare to even do. Ontop of that we don't really want to have a Liverpool Crewe situation where the track consumes so much memory and affects performance considerably that it degrades the final product and just results in empty yards and poor performance or worse crashes. That and the BR23s only actually really worked over the Neckarelz Heidelberg section anyway.

 

OK, those are some good arguments! As I said, I prefer a shorter but well-made route over a longer but lackluster one

 

Why is a steam train running under overhead wires?

 

Because not every stretch of track was electrified, some services ran with steam engines (until 26 October 1977 in W.Germany). The steam hauled trains would eventually branch away from the electrified section or continue beyond the electrified part. Even today you'll see diesel locos and DMUs running on quite a few electrified routes for this reason.

Also the changeover from steam to electric didn't happen instantly - there weren't enough electric locos to execute the entire timetable at first.

 

However, this is TSG; they really are very good at that sort of thing. Vide for example the blue/ivory 218 they did - for free - including a redone 1980s cab, analog clock, Indusi 60 and all. And on Niddertal they didn't just slap in the DTG 363, they carefully backdated it as a 365.

Here of course to be correct they would have to take it back another step, to 261 (i.e. original V 60(s)) configuration, but knowing them, they'll do it.

 

I agree. Although they said it's gonna be a steam / electric route, the map shows industrial branches and whatnot that still need shunting. And since we're not getting another steam engine for that task and the DB never had electric shunters, they will have to deliver it with a diesel shunter to make it work, before external layers.

I've just grown a bit anxious when over the last year with TSW maybe.

Let's hope for the best.

 

Well, that's not entirely accurate. Although the funny little E 69s are associated with the Ammergaubahn they were built for, two of them spent a decade as shunters at Heidelberg (1954-64, so too early for this route, sadly)

 

DB did have electric shunters, namely the E60 and E63, granted not in large number.
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Because the phase out of steam and transfer to electric/ diesel didnt happen overnight.
And for this route it will provide great variety, as if youd do a steam only route as the first, you then again have the problem of not being able to deliver as much new rolling stock as needed for a proper steam route. Like it was and is the problem with the UK steam routes, a transition era with early diesels wouldve been best there too for service and stock variety. Now theyre all rather empty because of tons of missing stock
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I imagine youd be able to run the 023 alongside (hopefully backdated) 140s, 103, 194, 365, 218/215 and 110) with the existing silberlinge and umbauwagen as well as the Mittenwald and E94 freight stock, as well as any new coaches coming with this

 

Hence why I forgot about them (again). Of course you're completely right. We won't be getting one of these with the route for sure though, so DB V60 it will probably be.

 

I'm looking forward to the new route and I'm pretty sure that TSG will incorporate many nice details here.

 

Day one purchase for sure. Lately only doing this for TSG routes (I mostly run German content only)

 

As luck would have it, I was watching archive footage today of Munchen Hbf in 1975- and at that time they were using 118s as shunters, their last near-retirement task

 

bit of an undignified end for an express passenger loco! Probably not the most ideal shunting engine that much is for sure!

 

Wow, I didn't know that. Using an express engine for shunting, that's a new one.
I know of hump yard shunting uses of big diesel engines in Dresden Friedrichstadt like the Taigatrommel BR 120, but those weren't express engines by any means.

Oddly enough I just gifted an N scale model of an E18 to my best friend and colleague from Halle (Saale) yesterday for his birthday.
You know the saying, what goes around comes around or gift an N scale model to someone who's not in the TSW ecosystem and get a TSW model of the class from someone completely different. Or something like that Idk, I'm awake at 2 am on a weekday night, might not make the most sense right now

 

Looking at this what electrical motives would we get here my guess they are the following Knallfrosch DB Bauriehe 141 DB Baureihe 140 DB Baureihe 150