Route Liberec - Stará Paka Feedback Thread

From the short time I had with this route yesterday, I'd already conclude that this plays in the league of Niddertal- and Mittenwaldbahn.
If not even higher ... !

Shock and awe for the walkarounds and detailed instructions in the training modules. That must be a first in TSW.

And then the careful modeling of anything on the route, the locos and rolling stock deserve a BIG Thanks to the developers from Vector Simulations. Much love and dedication has gone into this DLC. And maaaan, what sounds!

Of course, I tried to take a Class 750 cargo train from Liberec to Stara Paka and promptly got stuck midway. Because stupid Pipey here didn't pay attention to the brake handle stages and overcharged the brakes beyond repair.

Will try better next time. I have a feeling this route will give loooong hours with loooot of fun.

 

Thanks, I'll try that.

BTW, finally there's a route again with a decent manual. But one thing is missing: a list of of the error messages and a translation what it is and how it is solved.
I can't continue my 843 journey at a station because I have the message: NENI TLAK V HP which means No pressure in HP, obviously a problem with the brakes. And I wasn't able to fix or avoid that. Has anyone an idea ?

 

Sounds like the problem I described above. How do you know it can't be fixed ? And what caused it ?

 

Well, I don't know, I have to try again. I'm on PS5 and with the controller you get quickly past "Brake Release" into the last brake handle stage which is "Quick Release". Suddenly I had the system on 7.9 bar. I even tried to evacuate every brake cylinder on every wagon, without success, though.

The 363 from Riesa-Dresden has similar trouble. Don't use the overcharge stage excessively. I've learnt the hard way.

EDIT: Hehe, the manual knows about this.

 

Hello, my feedback is this route needs rail driver / hardware support. This really is a standard feature for almost all routes and unfortunately I’ll have to refund this until it is implemented.

 

Yes, it is :-D
Different loco, but the same system (at 10 minutes):


The thing is, the vigilance is so strict only when the you have rectricting/danger signal, or when the line doesn't have signal codes (Liberec - Stare Paka case).

 

I have friends who are train drivers ...... yes, the Czech vigilance is really that annoying and has to be pressed for about 7 seconds

 

I mentioned it a few posts before you ....... it must be some small bug, because when you start from a cold start, it works correctly ...... unfortunately it lights up in all 750 locos and those controlled by AI ....... I just accidentally pressed the STOP engine button slightly, but so that it didn't go out and disappear ... it's a small local help .........

 

Oh sorry, I forgot to mention that I was driving the 843...

 

"I would like to start by congratulating Vector Simulations and their team for this Liberec - Stará Paka DLC. This DLC is excellent on many levels:

• Rolling stock realism: No non-expert DLC has ever gone this far. Almost all the locomotive controls are functional; you can even open electrical or pneumatic cabinets to reconfigure the train. For me, it feels like an 'expert' train without the official label.
  
  
• Driving experience: Handling the train is a real pleasure, and the route itself is a fantastic choice—it's a real rollercoaster with its constant climbs and descents.
  
  
• Scenarios: They are advanced and realistic. You communicate with the signaller, and there are in-depth radio operations. You can even perform shunting operations with independent locomotives (using the horn to control the rear engine).
  

The DLC is remarkably stable for a first release, which is extremely rare for TSW add-ons. The only bugs are minor, like the two tilt indicators in the standard HUD, but it's not a deal-breaker.

To conclude, it is impressive that a new developer introducing a whole new railway universe to TSW has done a much better job than older third-party developers working on well-established countries, who keep releasing rushed content. They proved that it’s all about commitment and willingness, as Vector Simulations succeeded in an unexplored territory where some big names are struggling.

If you are wondering if it’s worth it: absolutely."

 

Same issue for me.

 

What part is presenting a problem? Maybe people can help?

 

I'm sure someone will ask but.. what hardware are you using, is everything updated, and do you have any mods installed that might cause a conflict?

 

Hi there, I lastly installed Liberec-Stara Paka DLC and play timetable, then apears crash with communication:

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any help

i've tried
-Update System
-Update GPU drivers
-Reinstall DLC
-Deleting Mods,engine.ini,game cache

 

Is not normal for the 843 driver to hear announcements clearly?
It's a serious question because I've found several things in this route I thought were "issues" were in fact the way things are in real life. For example the vigilance system that isn't "fully modeled" is realistic because the route itself doesn't have the full package installed. There's a couple switch things that are odd compared to other locos but realistic as well.
Since it's not required the driver hear passenger announcements.... maybe that's how the real train is?

I don't know I have never been to the Czech Republic let alone in the drivers seat of a real locomotive there.
Just wondering.

 

What am I doing wrong in yhe 843 set up ok I using cruise control ok once and the 1st station i cant pull away . I can hear it reving but the brake pressure is jumping all over the place and its no generating amps to move.

 

Hold the power on for a couple seconds, wait until you’re over 5-6km/h so the holding brake has fully released

 

I will post the link of the preview stream again, with the timestamp of the part where the cruise control is explained: https://www.youtube.com/live/JuD6lH-Q-Dg?si=mbOyp6dBSDoB1f15&t=5136

But also a lot of other stuff is explained in the preview, so I can recommend to watch it.

 

I release all the brakes and then add power until at max but the just springs back down to zero and train does not move.

 

No Raildriver/Hardware support= No sale.

 

I have run into the similar problem. I think it is related to the "driving consent" which is written about in the manual (page 46).

 

Are the brakes cut in?

 

Thank you, pressing the engine stop button quickly solved the problem.

 

Yes

 

After months away from TSW it was too tempting to not get this route. Screenshots and the snippet of the preview stream i saw was enough to convince me.

So far ive only got time to do one full service with the 750, so this is more first impression. And it is impressive! The Sound is just something else. Raw and brutal as it should be. Too much for my poor TV speakers which just couldn't cope with it. I love that they even added sound reverb when you are passing cliff sites and furthermore, rolling sounds increasing in volume when you go over steel brigdes. Great Stuff !

Absolutely blown away with the quality of the 750 Model, aswell as the freight wagons. Textures are spot on even on PS5.

Im glad they went the hard way and created completely new assets for this route. Especially the trees look fabulous! And its probably the best route in terms of "trees popping in". Ive only noticed it when looking very closely. Otherwise then that isn't not really noticeable.

Generally speaking, the way they captured the Bohemian Country Side is just spot on. The Scenery is mond blowing good. Personally i think its way beyond Niddertalbahn and Mittenwaldbahn even tho they are pretty routes for sure. There where some heavy fps drops at some certain areas, that might be due to running the route first time so im not sure if there is a problem with assets. 95% of the Route was running really smooth for me though.

Its finally another route with the attention to detail and love for the project i expect. I know the price tag is quite high, but in comparison for a "Standard Route and Price" this is a more than fair priced.

Stuff that was talked down as "too much work" or even "impossible" was just done by these dudes. Multiple liveries even for some of the freight cars. A walkable and actual usable engine room. No problem if you really have the commitment.

I think they would have done even more, but the games limitations striked them, it gets clear when you read the manual what vision they have for this.

For a first impression, i really have to say : Vector Simulations you did an outstanding job capturing the beauty of Czech Republic and its rail network.

P.s. Czech Republic is a beautiful country and i recommend it to everyone to have a visit, you wont regret it.

 

Not sure what the problem is then sorry, consult the Manual https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.c...fb/Liberec-Stara_Paka_Manual.pdf?t=1773144433 or is there any way you could provide a video?

 

Also I’m having an issue on the mudslide scenario.

I’ve got the guide in front of me for the banking horns, but no matter what I do I’ve just come to a stop on a gradient as it doesn’t seem to be getting the rear locos to do anything. I’ve tried the horn and the whistle.

Am I meant to be doing something other than this to get it going?

 

Platform: XBox Series X
Issue: Constant low FPS. It seems to occur to any service. I can't tell you what FPS as Xbox doesn't tell me (if someone does know a way, please let me know and i can share the FPS number). I'd guess what FPS value it would be but don't want to share as it's unfair without evidence.
To replicate: take a 843 service, for example one between 10-11am, that starts from Liberec. Soon as you start getting into single track with trees close by, it (frame rate) starts to slow down.

No issues with low textures.

General initial feedback:

• Lovely to drive/experience in another country.
• Thereby learning new things, signals, train procedures. The level of detail in the loco/trains themselves is high level. When doing the tutorials, i felt like i might need to actually study!! - which is a bit different from the usual, master key on, reverser forward, lights to headlight etc..
• High level to detail in scenery and general atmosphere.
• First station I stopped at, I could hear badminton being played, got out the cab, looked over by the side of the station and there was a badminton court with players. Nice touches, and such considered small touches, make a difference to the 'world' seeming alive.

 

Just had my first service on the route. I have to give congratulations to the Vector Simulations team, they really entered the scene with a bang. A new country, two new trains, safety systems in their first go at the game. The audio is nice, and the occlusion is probably better than any route even by DTG.

I have a low-midrange PC and the route is playable with the settings is usually run, but it hovers on 40FPS instead of 60.

The vegetation looks nice on full LoD, however the popping is weird and maybe needs to be checked out. I had grass with full LoD on the right side, while grass on the left side of the track had noticeable pop-in. Scenery such as the fields not right next to the track seems to have constant pop-in, but that is somehow what I expected.

A bit surprised at the timetable, for the passenger services I would have liked a few to be split in Part 1/2 maybe at around the "mid point" in Turnov. So that one can pick it up and finish a non shunting service under one hour. I personally prefer the length of a selectable service between the 30 and 60 minutes mark, this avoids needing to use the "dreaded" save game feature.

Also in terms of busy-ness, maybe I got the lucky time of day, but upon arrival in Turnov with the freight service (7 ish in the morning) there were 3 passenger services in the station at the same time, two 642s and an 843 that departed as soon as the line was clear behind me. That is pretty good in my book. During the run I had crossed another freight and a passenger service as well.

Platform: PC/Steam

 

Thanks anyway I will watch a few videos and have another read of the manual and if no luck I will post a video.

 

ps5 pro. There is a popping sound that appears mainly when coasting around 60-70 km/h on thw class 750. Is it something you can look at? Otherwise, there is absolutely nothing to complain about.

 

No, it's not normal, but it's one of the functions that DTG implemented in TSW6, unfortunately it turns out that it's not the Cab announcements sound at all, but the Onboard Announcements sound... it's probably wrong, but there's an even bigger problem, and that's a system problem, that even if you adjust these sounds in the audio settings, or turn them off, with each new game launch it's reset..........

But the overall sound volume ratio is not entirely happy, for example, and that's already unfortunate, the sound from the radio, I think in the settings the dialogue section should be clearly louder, so that it can be turned down if necessary, but even though it's now at 100%, it's drowned out by the sound and noise from the ride and it's very hard to hear...... at least that's the impression

 

- i'm using rtx 3060 12gb
- crashes on certain services and scenarios, in free roam works good
- i don't have any mods installed

LowLevelFatalError [File:Unknown] [Line: 3194] Could not find SuperStruct GetClassNumber to create GetClassNumber

 

I am glad I held off buying this route. As others have said, no Rail Driver support no sale. It looks good, but I do not buy routes to look good, but to drive.

 

+1

 

Is it me, some buttons of the class 750 in the cab seems to move constantly separately from the locomotive. Like the are not linked to the suspension model.

 

Buttons moving? Like pressing themselves... or they're floating in air unattached to the console or something? I haven't had that issue.

 

One small feedback regarding keyboard assignments:
Traditional keyboard shortcut Ctrl+S for brake cut-in and Ctrl+Shift+S for brake cut-out does not work in 843. It works well in 750 though.

In 750, it is not possible to turn on the left and right (bottom) headlights by keyboard. Probably should be Ctrl+H?

Also some shortcut for pressing the KPJ (Train length counter) button and possible TAH +/- (increase/decrease power) would be nice.

 

Anecdotally, I count about 30 players who have posted or seconded that they have refunded or declined to purchase the Czech route without Raildriver/TSC-X support. And that's just on the forum. There must be many more who don't post on here.
I'd say that's a substantial number of lost sales, most of which can be retrieved by the simple act of implementing hardware support.

 

I am pretty sure since the API was introduced, the whole enthusiasm for RailDriver support has vanished within DTG. Even on last stream Matt was showcasing a different controller setup and his own gadgets using the API.

It is not what most want to hear, but locking into a specific single hardware platform that is mega expensive vs an open standard was never a great choice.

I would also bet on the fact that most dev teams do not even own a Raildriver themselves especially as it is hard to even get hold of one. So they would be at the mercy of DTG to assure the implementation or validation the same way we found out that external developers are working without being able to test on consoles.

As a conclusion, and to be back on topic, I wouldnt blame the lack of support onto the Vector Simulations team, and the feedback should be directed to DTGs processes instead.

 

Well, according to MP the implementation of the Raildriver app for a route is fairly simple.
So why not just do it for those players who use the hardware and have a difficult time playing without it. So much so that many have indicated that they will not purchase the route and those who have intend to refund it. Seems like potential sales are being wasted for no good reason.

 

If you use a keyboard, pressing F3 brings up the frame rate.

 

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D 16-Core Processor. 4.30 GHz. Graphics card: 16GB.

Updated very recently in the last few months. In terms of mods, I only have the Regional Railways class 158 livery. It is strange as it this route runs at 62 fps most of the time then crashes suddenly. In addition, I seem to be above the recommended system requirements on the steam store page.

 

Service R 1260 (22:30 from Stará Paka to Liberec): Stations Košťálov and Hodkovice nad Mohelkou are served, but not in the PIS system (no announcements, not visible on the screen).

 

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D 16-Core Processor. 4.30 GHz. Graphics card: 16GB.

Service: R 1270 12:25 (CD 843 N1 LED).

Weather: Custom weather (sliders not changed) set to July

Mods: Regional Railways Class 158 (only)

Crash report/dump file: I Cannot access it as the screen goes blank and will not open the error report tab. The only way to resolve it is to Ctrl + alt+del and force computer to log out. It has happened several times playing the 12:25 service. Could it just be this particular service? The problem is I can't try another service as I will exceed the two hour refund limit and can't afford to keep something that is not going to work after a few kilometres/miles.

Thanks, I hope this can be resolved, especially as I seem to be above the recommended system requirements according to the steam store page.

 

Not sure if this is a bug or not...
Arrived at Jermanice with Pn54109 on time. Completed the wait for one minute objective but signal remains at danger. 2D map shows a OS5418 which is just stood on the single line with a Stop at... instruction. Now the timetable is showing 21 minutes for the next section to Hodkovice so wondering if the AI train is just there as a spacer or something. In which case the departure time at Jermanice should reflect that. Going to give it five minutes and if the AI doesn't start to move I will just delete it.

Edit: I think it is stuck as something is shown 10' late at Radlo where it is on the map. Delete time, looks like one for the devs to investigate.

Edit II: Stuck train deleted and on the move.