Wcml Preston To Crewe Discussion

Just trains have done it again. No 1 again. Absolutely superb and stunning route.

 

JT have knocked out of the park again...let down by severe blurries (XBOX/X) for me which is obviously down to the core program and in no way should detract from the effort that JT have put into this route. Thank You

 

The best thing about JT, is that they can turn any route into a bloody masterpiece.

this is why I trust third parties MUCH MORE over DTG.

 

Yes for sure, what even is the point of having a feature and then throttling it because it isn't present IRL? And I would also add that you STILL cannot save the the audio settings for cab announcements in the "normal way," such as pressing the Menu button for Xbox. You have to exit and have the game ask you if you want to save your changes. There is definitely something wrong with in-cab announcements that DTG apparently are not seeing.

 

can I just say that Just Trains are genuinely a 10/10 third party.

throughout the entire time JT has been in TSW, it seems like they just never miss.

Like. I know I sound like I’m glazing here, but the variety and quality of their routes is genuinely unmatched.

JT release stuff basically yearly, but they do it to such a high standard, it just negates that completely. And you can genuinely understand why it takes so long, because the devs actually put passion into their routes to make sure that it looks good, with the most amount crammed in.

This doesn’t feel like a developer who wants money, this feels like a passionate group of people, who genuinely enjoy what they make, and how they make it.

They communicate so well with the community and it feels like they really want to deliver and show us the behind the scenes and how routes are actually made to high expectations we all want.

I will forever hold JT in high regard, and they have saved not just the BR side of TSW, but the whole UK side of it.

Whenever they announce a route is coming soon, it just fills the whole community with joy.

JT, never change. You are brilliant.

 

The route is excellent with so much variety and things to do.

I have for the first time had some performance issues though, maybe some of it was due to a first run through. I ran a service from Preston to Crewe with the 86/4.. There were places it was quite stuttery then seem to smooth out for a while It paused whilst going through Warrington and was slow around Crewe. When loading passengers a train arrived from the south, it was very stuttery when it pulled in.

I had a quick go in the class 20 on the colliery branch, well it wasn't quick as I couldn't get above 5mph going up the hill, then couldn't stop at the signal going down!

A lot of work has clearly gone into the route so well done JT, looking forward to exploring more.

Bring on Cumbrian coast and the class 108!

 

What's with the uber low res locos and rolling stock?

 

Highs and lows of TSW:
The Class 20 coal services are amazing, and the services chain together in interesting ways- 7T75 Part 1 becomes stabling moves 0T75 Parts 1 and 2.

But, running 7T75 Part 2, I got a CTD about 2.5 miles from Warrington with a UE error about texture renaming or something.

I have no mods installed so idk what that's about.

 

I was afraid of that, hopefully JustTrains can modify this to work the way Roman’s mod does, it’s really the perfect approach given the driver would just hold the lever in place as you’ve said.

 

Day 1 purchase & well deserved! The route is brilliant, part of it I know personally (Warrington, Acton Bridge, Hartford, Crewe) & I can tell you the detail is phenomenal! I can easily ID my mates house next to Latchford sidings & they have gone to the trouble of including one of my local pubs Tom's Inn (Real Name The Coachman Hartford).

1st job was a coal service from Bickershaw to Fiddlers Ferry then back to Latchford, loved it & took a ton of shots as it looked so good! The 20's looked amazing & performed brilliantly.

After that visited a few stations & noticed the core error of those blurry textures spoiling things! 86 & some mk2's looked awful! Come on DTG get it sorted, it never used to do this!

Route 10/10
TSW6 6/10, Sort them textures out for a better score!

JT massive well done!

My favourite shot.of 7T75 run to Fiddlers Ferry......

 

Ok so three runs in, and it...runs like the other routes in TSW for me.
The route itself what I've seen so far has been nicer than Shap, one of the nicer ones actually.
Only thing I've noticed so far is the ballast seems a bit less...textured.
I dunno about blurry, just... flatter I guess.
The amount of freight and variety though is very nice. The scenery is grand.
It seems a lot more populated (rolling stock and static stock) than many other routes.
I'm wondering if that's part of the issue for some people.
The first startup in one yard FULL of locos and stock did take a second of lag to load it all in, but ran fine after that.

 

Fantastic route. Such a great variety of runs to sink my teeth into.

I've been caught out by a coal train out of Bickershaw Colliery though - that downhill approach to Springs Branch made my brakes way less effective than I thought they'd be, and I SPADed, ooops!

 

Have to say the 'Thunderbirds Are Go' scenario is one of the best I've seen. Dragging the 'leccies back and forth between Warrington and Wigan with both the 47 and 20s is very immersive!

 

I did the merry go round scenario last night and it took me 3 hours More of that later tonight!

 

I just started that one and the estimate in the briefing is 1hr 55min so it will be interesting to see how it pans out. A nice bit of role playing.

 

Have tunnel/bridge reverb sounds been ommitted on this route? Only heard it a couple of times leaving Preston and that was it, not heard it elsewhere on the route

 

I drove an MGR Springs Branch to Walton Old jcn last night heard plenty. I think though the 20 under power sounds a little quiet.

 

I had messaged Roman a while back asking for his expertise in regards to setting up Raildriver in this way but have yet to hear a reply.

 

If you get a chance, could you do a passenger run (sitting in the Mk2 and Mk3 coaches) and see if you can hear reverb anywhere on the mainline

 

Will report back If I can do that run later.

 

I certainly got that impression particularly south of Warrington as it was definitely audible at some of the structures north thereof. I’m really starting to feel this was pushed out prematurely given all the issues, quite possibly to beat some sort of deadline for any DLC in the run up to TSW7. Performance issues, even on the benchmark PS5, incomplete timetable and now it appears the audio detailing not finished.

 

Still getting used to driving them properly but love the updated class 20s.

 

Every bridge has the reverb occlusion under it and we had it done a good few months ago so there's something likely under the hood causing them not to work intermittently.

In regards to performance I'm noticing most players reporting that once they've cached the shaders that the route runs as well as our other ones. Whilst we will be making some extra optimisations (mainly around the Warrington area) we were happy with performance on our own testing.

I'm a bit confused by what you mean by incomplete timetable by the way, what services are missing or are you on about that people have found bugs?

 

As a high end PC player this route is fantastic. It's a shame for all the issues on console as the route is great. Not really had any issues except the normal shader loading. Onwards to try more runs after work today.

 

im using a 3070ti and i could couldnt work out if the issue was the limitations of the card or the fact that it was constantly loading in textures, ill run again tonight to see if it improves, but since im at ultra on everything (not using any mods to further enhance) i wouldnt be surprised if that was the case.... as an aside, i have seen blurry textures....on my PC but they seem to be limtied to two places...

1,) posters in stations various routes

2,) the line number boards on GWE

oddly if i walk right up to the poster it corrects itself but if i stand say 2 or 3 feet away its blurry....wondered if the optimisation settings are causing issues?

 

Hi all, was really keen to do the Deepdale CCD runs seen on some of the livestreams. I think the code was 6P81 on TinTin_57's. However, the service doesn't appear on my list. Is this because I'm missing some content?

I purchased the Class 31 which has the PCA-V wagon which I think is the other wagon the Class 20 is pulling on those runs. Unfortunately, it won't install, I assume because I don't have Tees Valley. I should have bought it when it was on sale...

Before I pick up Tess Valley (currently £20 on PS Store) am I missing something or do I need Tees Valley get these to work.

Thanks!

 

Hmmmm, now you mention it, didn't DTG say they've done something to sounds in the latest update? Funilly enough, I sat in passenger mode in the 805 on the Trent Valley and the 805 sounded awful to how it used to be.

I also remember OldVern saying he's lost reverb sounds on the Blackpool branches but you said you've made no changes in that department.

When I get chance I'll see if I've also lost reverb on that route and also Preston - Carlisle route

 

Do yourself a favour and turn clouds (Sky Quality) down to Very High. Not as performance hitting and I doubt you'll notice a difference.

 

Happy to report no blurries or performance issues on my old 32Gb RTX2060 PC. Soooo busy exploring old haunts and watching the world go by! First time I wandered through the door into Springs Branch depot was a proper OMG moment, I could practically smell it. Absolutely outstanding! Love how so much is accessible on foot too, the footbridge at the northwest end of Crewe especially brings back happy memories. And SO many locos around! Crewe is just spectacular. I’ve barely scratched the surface - it’s going to be a busy day 10/10!

 

Yes there is so much to explore sadly I'm busy much of this weekend.

There is definitely scope for DLC for this route, I hope we see some. I yearn to hear a class 25 powering away with an engineers train or a summer Saturday relief.

 

What's going on here then? All stock is like this!

 

One thing that really impressed me was when I took a walk north from Hartford to investigate the Wallerscote sidings, on the way I managed to get up on the Chester Manchester CLC line, imagine my surprise when a 142 came bobbing along with a Chester bound service! Nice work JT for adding life to the route in this way!

The representation of Wallerscote sidings was very nice too with a clear disused feel to them! Anyone know what year they were last used? Present day section between Acton Bridge & Hartford has been re-moddled since & little.to no evidence exists of what was once there.

 

Has anyone explored Crewe works yet? I had a long walk around last night, love how JT have modeled the famous works traverser!

 

There is some blurred textures on PC however I'm inclined to believe that these are down to the "optimisation" that DTG pushed out recently as it also affects Trent Valley, it's stuff like station signs and posters (and Uncle Joe's factory wall) where you need to walk/zoom closer to them for them to clear up and sharpen. It also happens to passing trains too, they are slightly blurry until they get closer. That's why I suspect it's DTG's optimisation rather than a genuine bug.

As for the route, loving it

I loaded it up last night and had a full walk around Wigan, then jumped out of a moving train at Bamfurlong so I could investigate my spotting locations before taking a train for a run, it was a 47/3 on the Stanlow bound tanks. It was a challenging drive trying to keep it at 45mph and also stay awake (due to the 11 pints of ale earlier that evening) but did manage to not SPAD at Warrington. The DSD does work, ironically I turned it off for being annoying but should've kept it on really, I might had have seen more of the route haha.

Fired it up first thing this morning and did an 86/4 from Crewe to Preston (1S61) non-stop, very enjoyable indeed. There was a fair bit of stuttering around Warrington as things loaded in however I think this is because it was the first time loading it all in and at speed too. Did a quick Netwon-Wazza with a Pacer and it was smooth as silk.

Off to take my doggie for walkies then going to have a go at a lengthy MGR job.

Oh and while the Neutral Sections are not "marked" on the hud/signal/map thing, they do show up as an orange marker (you know the one which denotes various different things) so there is that if you do miss the approaching signs

Well done JT!

 

Foliage and vegetation in UE4 doesn’t work how you seem to think it does Vern. It’s anything but high poly anyway, and without going into the technical specifics of it, is generally very efficient in the way it works.

As an outsider there is nothing at all wrong with the amount nor placement of foliage on JT’s route. In my opinion I think it’s the best they’ve done in that regard and although I’m afraid I have no clue what the area is called, there’s a viaduct on the mainline you go over with marsh type land underneath. That area is really very nicely done indeed.

 

What can I say?!. It was well worth the wait. Great job JT.

 

It was the missing final destination arrival times which you have addressed in the Feedback thread. One of the banes of having the discussions scattered over three or four threads as everything ends up cross posted, due to DTG trying to keep more general comments out of the feedback area.

Oh and as regards the reverb, definitely worth speaking to DTG as per someone mentioned above - looks like an update may have nerfed something in the audio engine.

 

Ok found the 1st scenery/track problem so far, its on the spur near winsford signal box just before the stone road bridge involving 7T68 service/Salt train with the class 20, there appears to be a visual track fault, it doesn't affect running, screen shot below

 

It appears I have fixed the uber low res textures on trains and track etc by turning the screen settings to ultra from high and from full screen windowed to full screen. I turned those settings back and it appears to have took. not sure if I will have to repeat and rinse though?
I concur re the reverb it is very very quiet compared to the other releases.

 

Apologies if I’ve missed this but does anybody know what time the mainline re opens at Netwon Le Willows? I love that it closes at 8pm
And diverts onto Chat Moss but curious as to what time it re opens. I’ve just been through the mainline at 6:30am so it’s definitely before then. I’m gonna guess maybe 6am?

 

The timetable is set as if it's a Friday going on to a Saturday so it's only in the evening that's affected where the diversions happen.

 

ah ok thanks for cleaning that up. The answer being midnight then yeah?

 

Sorry to butt in. Mind if I ask what platform you’re on?

 

Yeah Jet, PC. Steam.
Plus I do have to repeat the procedure to eliminate low res textures.
I do not have to do this with other routes.

 

Have you tried clearing your direct x cache mate? that normally clears up graphics issues for me, apart from the annoying stuttering as you re-run routes to rebuild the cache.

 

Some really nice contrasting services so far - I picked up 1S61 in Journey Mode and had a straight fast run from Crewe to Preston in an 87. Had a quick look for some pie barms in Preston but had to bail because 6V75 loaded steel with an 86/4 and 87 double-header came in ... currently driving that at a more sedate 60mph to Gresty Lane

 

Hmmm can anyone else verify this please, if you can make your way to winwick junction and stand where the BR yellow vans are, and look back towards the yellow barn building and white house, add a little wind and tell me what you see of the behaviour of the 2 trees just behind the yellow building, It's either a tornado or hurricane in a very localised area, because none of the other trees bend at a 45-degree angle.

 

Hmmm I saw this behaviour just the other day on Blackpool Branches - looked like a force 10 was blowing around Kirkham & Wesham station but it was clear weather! This was before the new timetable was released. Think I've also seen it by the token exchange on the Ormskirk branch, come to think of it.

 

Just took a walk down the line from Earlstown to the junction - no mad trees for me though. Quite relieved, it's a bit unnerving they way they flap about