Tsw 7 - I Guess Its Accidentally Official Now

wow, I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not

"this was placed in error" yes, sure

 

You want to tell me JT didnt notice they wrote 7 instead of 6 two times in a row?
Similar to what mortal1234 said before I also think this might be a marketing strategy by DTG.

In the RM stream Alex said we would know what a DTG direct usually is about and this year they do things a bit differently which probably just means they wont announce TSW 7 before August 25th.

 

I think we all know that Cumbrian Coast will come after TSW 7 anyway, no matter what they say

 

In fairness. An Austrian route did take a place in TSW4 (despite a very small portion being German)

 

China coming up as a filter, make me think, there will be a china route announced in just a ticket segment... SWR route of some description as the UK route. If London Euston struggles, I dread to think about the frame rate at Waterloo... Germany.... Berlin??

 

Kind of forgot that one. Wonder why...
The compromise back then was the Vectron and Dresden Remaster and now it seems Austria didnt sell well enough for them to repeat that idea.
Hopefully we see a 3rd party with focus on austria soon.

 

absolutely, a nice Desiro ML or something, anything to be different from the 4024

 

people say this every year but i still can’t see it happening. despite there still being strong demand for those two, especially the netherlands, the US has had such a rough time in terms of tsw offerings that whatever dtg make for the US will sell pretty well

 

Plot twist TSW goes over to using Roman numerals and instead of being the classic TSW7, it becomes TSW VII...

 

Hey they could go back to TSW 1 but call it TSW I and restart all over again using Unreal Engine 5. (Better say I’m joking before someone on here sees this and thinks I’m trying to be dead serious instead of realising it’s a joke teehee).

 

If we can't for whatever reason have one single game version, I wish they would just name it after the year number, are we really going to go to Train Sim World 15..

 

Let's all pretend to be surprised when they are all wearing TSW7 shirts during the direct lol

It's weird they didn't just do that early reveal before the direct like they did last year.

 

Well now.

Woke up to this story and my screen grab being used by a few of the bigger youtube channels. Its nice to see this story being appreciated by them.

As a struggling and brand new YouTube channel though, it would have been nice to have been credited for what I found or credited for my screen grab they used.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

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tss is notorious for this, i like their content but there often seems to be a lack of credit. it’s a little thing which goes a long way

 

Like New Year's on January 1st, like Monday after Sunday...

 

I agree! The bearded Aussie bloke sort of credited you, but not sure he actually said it was you explicitly.

One thing I do agree with that TSS said is that a reason it is different this year might not just be about a name but exactly what is coming. With the hope it is not just a cookie cutter approach from previous releases. I am happy to speculate about names and inclusions, but surely it has to be different to the previous 3 core things, 3 deluxe things and some dodgy new features. I am worried it could be more of the same and they are corralling a shed load of stuff to bulk out the otherwise mundane.

Alex on the roadmap and others from DTG previously have acknowledged the game needs to be in better shape. I can't help but wonder that if it is something new and pleasing to the community, they surely would have reused the TSW6 playbook and shared early. Not to build hype, but maybe goodwill.

 

they’ve been ‘acknowledging’ it for 2 years. i’ve got no confidence anything will change with tsw7

 

Hard to argue with you for sure!

 

Just watched the TSS clip on YT. He does name the elephant in the room which is that, this time round, TSW7 or whatever it’s called may not be a free update. Perhaps that’s something DTG need to quash before the Direct. And JT altering the description back to TSW6, as I think already noted, does imply under Trade Descriptions for the UK at least they will now need to sell the Cumbrian Coast for TSW6 as well as 7, even though the former will be obsoleted and forgotten by DTG within days of 7 releasing. Best thing JT could do is remove all references to the version number and simply say TSW!

 

To be honest, I'd be more surprised if there wasn't a leak lol.

As for routes, there's zero chance at all of DTG doing a BR era route for the core UK route. I do think it'll be somewhere that hasn't had any representation, I think Aberdeen to Inverness, with the ScotRail HST and Rivet doing most of the work on it.

 

However, RM's video specifies that the "Direct" will focus primarily on Train Sim World (without specifying the number 7) and something else.
So it could be a new train simulator or another DTG preview game, or it could be a glimpse into the future.

 

If it turns out to be a paid update only there better be something very good in there to offset the mess of TSW6 But if it's that good/stable that shouldn't be gate kept behind a paywall.

 

Oh that would be a pleasant surprise. It might well be that the Scotrail HST might be reserved for TSW7. I would hope so.

 

July Roadmap from last year (2025)
https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...s/article/train-sim-world-5-roadmap-july-2025
There was no "secret" at that point.
Just full on TSW 6.
The only "secret" was what routes would be in the release bundle.
"Free core option" in there and compatibility confirmed.
They even joked about JD "leaking things" (accidentally on purpose)

 

Again with the speculation about "no free core" despite it being mentioned by Matt I think it was clearly saying it was a "big success" last yer?
I think people just like seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

A Fife Circle extension to Dundee and Perth would be rather welcome if Rivet do make a route. Or Glasgow to Ayr.

Anyway, I really don't think DTG will be bothered about the "TSW7" leak and there's a chance it could have been a mistake arising from an assumption based on the Whitehaven's release date being after the annual re-release. It doesn't necessarily mean the new release will be called "TSW7".
DTG will be much more concerned if any of the new products are leaked as those involve contracts with TP developers and possibly even traction manufacturers and train operators. Both of whom, thanks to being larger companies can afford better lawyers than DTG/Focus.

 

I don't think it's a conspiracy. More likely they overshot their release date and forgot to get the word out to everyone to hold off on their own timed releases. Nothing to base it on except the rush by DTG staff on here to assure us they're working on "upcoming optimization improvements" so just a hunch that they're trying to smooth out some more wrinkles before going "live" with TSW 7.
If it takes a few extra weeks for a better release, then it doesn't change anything.
Honestly the fact that things are still coming out at this late in the game for TSW 6 just reinforces (to me) that TSW 7 is delayed a bit.
Does it really change anything if TSW 7 happens in September...or October..or December?
Not really.
Marketing perhaps depending on when Xbox, Playstation and Steam do their sales perhaps.
For players there's no different when it happens.

 

If I remember correctly, all the routes in that core package was previously released ones, similarly to how it was done with TSC. I highly doubt DTG will release 4 brand new routes in one package, but it isn't entirely impossible.

As for the UK route, without knowing anything, I would have guessed it's time for the ECML equivalent of WCMLS, meaning Kings Cross to Peterborough. With the clues about SWR and a potential Northern 158 incoming however, it broadens the possibilities for speculation. It could be Portsmouth to Waterloo, which similarly to ECMLS would be a busy mainline out of London, which I think bodes well for the flagship route. I don't know what a possible Northern route could be though.

Now, if they did have a fourth route up their sleeve for the deluxe edition, I think it would be wasteful to pick one of the three core territories again. Another dutch or french route, or a new country all together like Australia would have been better imo.

Wasn't the Riviera Line made by Rivet? I guess you could argue that Rivet and DTG are basically the same developer anyway though. Also, there may be a bit of sampling bias towards the newest core route, so I would be cautious about drawing those conclusions.

 

Who could ever predict TSW7? Nobody even had any thoughts. It was such a surprise!

But seriously, JT simply made it clear that there is be no new content in the current version, but they did it in a slightly incorrect way.

 

There's "contracted" Rivet and then there's "third party" Rivet. Different standards.
Then DTG is putting their name on it like Riviera they don't put Rivet's name on it and they take a closer look at it. To be fair, Riviera has not gotten many complaints compared to other routes out there in TSW 6.
When Rivet does their own work for their own profit by their own choice.... different outcome.
Then the third party is allowed to do pretty much what they want since it's their baby.
I would agree that ECML is a good guess since the WCML mainline is starting to dry up a bit.
The South has gotten some love lately, and the North with the update.
I wonder if given Edinburgh being fleshed out some more if we won't see the ECML coming down from that way? Maybe Edinburgh to Newcastle? It's a bit long, but the last few routes on the WCML have been a bit longer. No idea if there's any licensing or stock issues, but that would make sense.
From there it passes past Darlington (Tees Valley connection) ,down by York, Leeds into Doncaster.
However, that's too long so would be split into 2-3 smaller routes likely (with substantial connections east/west at Leeds and York)
Just a thought.

A European (German probably) and a US route are pretty good guesses too, but I haven't a foggy clue what those would encompass.
Whatever they are, they're already in the can at this point.

 

I think people convinced this year will be "something different" are setting themselves up a bit for disappointment.

A new TSW installment was already confirmed in Pullup's year-end financials, we have a large amount of upcoming content already announced that pretty clearly will slip to the next version, and this most recent "leak" just adds more evidence imo.

At most it will be yet another name change- maybe going back to the 20xx format?

I'm convinced that since TSW2 was supposed to be a true sequel with no content carrying over (which they wisely walked back), they've sort of been stuck with the naming convention ever since, and it really does set expectations higher for new features, etc than the 20xx format imo.

Now...could this be the final* version of TSW before a successor arrives? I think that's a much stronger possibility.

*final before it moves to maintenance mode like TSC. I'm sure they'd continue to support it for many years.

 

Edinburgh to Newcastle is long, but because most of the route is rural it would be less intensive and use fewer assets than a route that goes through London's sprawling suburbs and several large home counties towns.

 

I feel like it would be too similar to Riviera Line. 800s and the Voyagers. Even though I.lovr them. I'd much rather them.too a more mainline route.

 

The problem with acknowledging something for 2 years is that it doesn't actually do anything.

 

And rather a snooze, judging by the cab ride I watched. In fact the ECML as a whole is pretty boring, if you ask me. Flat as the proverbial pancake.

Scottish and Welsh terrain is more interesting, as is the far Southwest of England., as long as you don't use those godforsaken EMUs, which could climb Everest without working up a sweat.

 

At least an ECMLS would.be really busy.

 

And this a blur fest, certainly on consoles.

 

Maybe DTG will do a colab with MGM Studios and reveal that next TSW is called TSW 007 Cheers

 

I really don't like this generalisation. Not everyone had these issues and many console issues can be user-responsibke issues. My PS5 suffered with major issues with Bkurring and crashes up until I got it repaired. That issue they had with the liquid metal or something. Little to no issues now. I think some people are overly negative. I truly understand it negatively affects some people's gameplay but you'll never see said people praising the good things. These are just my personal opinions and are not meant to offend anybody.

 

I hope it's not another IET route. The first few were okay but there's so many of them now and they're all just a bit boring in my opinion.

I'd like another riviera or MVL style route give us a nice run in a new Unit/loco or something similar with some great scenery. It doesn't have to be a massive busy timetable but give us something with variety that will run nicely!

I know I've said it multiple times but a North Wales Coastal and you could throw in the TFW class 67 and DVT set as the deluxe edition? Mix up our modern traction with a push pull set!

 

You can have long and quiet, or short and busy. There's place for both I suppose, and that's likely what it would boil down to in game and real life. As for personal taste... that's just personal so you can't please everyone. If you do a rural route, urban folks are upset. If you do an urban route, rural folks are upset. It's not really just an either/or if you're doing the whole ECML (like the WCML.) You'll get a bit of everything in different routes. The only question was which comes first?

 

An airport to Vienna central route would be excellent. They wouldn't even need much new assets, just reskinned German loco.

Ive travelled that many times and its lovely.

 

A West Highland line would be beautiful coming up out of Glasgow and north, but I'm not sure there's the TSW audience for it. It's not high traffic by any stretch of the imagination. Some very unique scenery, unique rolling stock and lots of "theme" (could even do a Hogwarts thing) but you have to try to get a good chunk of the customer base to make it profitable. I think the Cornish routes would be similar niche.

 

I would love to see Glasgow Queen Street - Crianlarich. I’ve watched a couple cab rides of that section on YouTube. It’s very beautiful.

Also it’s very nice to see a few Scottish routes being mentioned on here. I wish we would get a new one. Fife circle was in 2024.

 

But at the risk of incurring the wrath of the modern supporters, what would be the point of doing the West Highland in the modern guise where you would be viewing the scenery from the letterbox cab of a 156 or 153, or at best the near silent Class 73 conversion on the sleeper stock. To be in the slightest bit entertaining the latest it could be set is in the 37/4 loco hauled era, with the added interest of working RETB.

 

I think the scenery is lovely (if bleak) in places and it's certainly not flat, the only really flat section of the ECML is the racetrack between York and Darlington and that is a bit tedious. But the WCML is as flat as the ECML south of Lancaster and that didn't stop us getting nearly all of the mainline.

Newcastle to Edinburgh would be pretty boring in an Electric locomotive, effortlessly dealing with the gradients. If we were to get this route, I'd prefer it with diesels. It would be fairly easy in an HST but a Deltic would turn it into a bit of a challenge.

My main concern is the fairly sparse timetable north of Newcastle. South ECML is a one of my top 5 potential TSW routes, loads of gradients too.

 

On my PS5, it's always a blurfest now, used to be on certain routes. Now it's the vast majority of them since the last update. For me it can be immersion breaking and I don't want to spend my free time on it as much.

 

Even on routes that are older that it didn't used to be?
Updated ones or not updated?
I wonder if the age of the Playstation itself starts to be an issue.
I know when a computer starts aging out it gets sluggish and sometimes crashes too, and consoles are just little computers.
Would only make sense they'd slowly start to fail like any other computer, and that they'd run worse on newer games vs older ones that have higher requirements.
Side note, I wonder how much "bloat" there is on consoles compared to PCs. They aren't generally used for web browsing so much, but over time updates and changing programs must result in some corrupted files and mislabeled memory space or some such leading to loss of performance too.
Just like the rest of us as we get older ;-)

 

There is nothing they can reuse except for the 1116. If you are talking about the CAT branded coaches then no, those arent the dostos we have on german routes.
I would much prefer to see the 4020 or Desiro ML on a Cityjet line.