Dtg Should Extend The Length Of The Upcoming Harlem Line To Southeast.

Basically, what you are asking is for the DLC to be release in about 10 years, for the development time of just one station, and the cost for it would be so high that only a very few could afford it

 

I think you don't understand what I mean?

 

I am sure that The Spider-Man game has simugraph to simulate the physical characteristics Spider-Man’s movements to insure prototypical movement and that also reflects proper physics for interaction other objects Spider-Man interacts with…. Oh wait, no - probably not since then Spider-Man’s antics could not be accomplished because it represents a fantasy environment.

Snarky mode off - you can’t really compare the graphics of a game that isn’t trying to simulate a real environment to a simulator that is.

 

That's really unrelated though. Implementing the interior of Grand Central wouldn't be much of an issue performance wise, it's just time consuming to create a model for such an interior. The only constraint is willingness and time.

But while it would be nice to see it, I have to agree with those who are againt it. I'd rather see them spending that time to improve on things we can actually see from the cab. Spend an our more per station building instead, or anything else along the line. Get the basics right first, only do the extra stuff later if you can.

 

My point is you can't compare what a game does in a fantasy universe with what is done in a supposed simulator -- and just like the grass on Sherman Hill shouldn't cause performance problems - but rendering it seems to be problematic - granted the Interior would not have to be loaded when not in view - but then again, as you state , much more important hills to climb than this.

 

Hope that they got the signal system right cause it's not the same as Amtrak Boston. The signal that they used is probably the same as the one used in the NYC Subway system.

 

I'm fairly certain that the Harlem Line does indeed make use of ACSES and ATC as well. It just seems that there is much less physical trackside aspect signals compared to the NEC around Boston.

 

I'm sure it's been talked about before, but how similar is this to the LIRR route? Because I could never get the hang of the speed limits/safety system on that route (if they even were properly implemented) and just gave up on that route TBH. If it's the same as LIRR, I'll very much doubt I'll get this route either.

 

ACSES should make it easier amd more obvious to follow the speed limits, similar to Boston Sprinter. Unlike LIRR, where you have a track speed limit and an ATC speed limit showing different values, ACSES will do the extra work for you and show the real limit you need to follow.

 

IIRC, LIRR used to be Pennsylvania RR, whereas Harlem used to be New York Central, so the latter's signaling should be more like CSX's.

 

Spiderman is a spectacular piece of AAA game design with high production values, and was intended to be a showcase for the PS4, which it absolutely achieved; it's a must-have title on the platform and anyone with a PS4 who hasn't got it, should get it. Spiderman: Miles Morales has done a similar thing for the PS5, introducing perfect implementation of DualSense feedback and adding gorgeous, winter weather effects over the top of the already beautifully created cityscape.

By contrast, TSW2 is an often-clunky, niche train game, which – with possibly the ill-fated exception of Rush Hour – has never really traded on doing anything more than "enough". That the route ends in the wrong place and has no lavish Grand Central interior should be a surprise to no-one. It's the first US route in a while that has interested me, but I'll definitely be waiting for reviews and sale price.

 

Cool!

I see though that Dovetail have made the neighboring Hudson Line for Train Simulator as well in the past, and that seems to be a much more "complete" package, with diesel passenger and freight locos? Obviously that would be more work since TSW doesn't have the P32 passenger loco, but that could have been made as DLC later? And I'm wondering which is more "scenic", Hudson or Harlem, since the Hudson seems to follow the river at least. And lastly, the Hudson is 60 miles long according to the store page. How much is the part of the Harlem line they've selected here?

Comparing these two, just feels like maybe Hudson, while more work, would have been the better choice in the long run? But maybe I'm wrong, I know nothing about either line, frankly.

 

Absolutely, the Hudson Line is arguably a lot more scenic, but of course that also means a lot more varied scenery. Though by doing the Harlem Line first (they share the same tracks while going into Manhattan), this means that much of the urban scenery could be ported over and reused, thereby alleviating much of the hard work. Thus, it's entirely likely we could see the Hudson Line at some point in the future, given if the Harlem Line is done well and is well received (even though we're effectively getting half of the actual route length)
Driving the P32's along the Hudson River would surely provide a unique and interesting experience compared to what we have in TSW right now.

 

I was also hoping for the Hudson Line as well, cause that is my favorite route, especially the Hudson river. Hopefully, we will see more American Passenger Routes this year, like the NJ Transit, Amtrak Acela, and More Metro North Route.

 

They better not forget the working fans that are installed above the ceiling at the grand central station train platform, which gives the feeling of being at the actual place, as you can see from this video as well as the new updated POS System in every track, which i believe its new, and recently added probably 2-3 years ago.

 

Good point, they have used the same terminus' in many routes they've released before. And I suppose it's not like there is a huge amount of US passenger rail to choose from (in the modern day at least), so I guess that raises the chances they'll revisit this area in the future.

 

Don't forget about the shoreline cab and car

 

A future Amtrak Hudson line between Penn station and Croton with a spur to the Harlem line for Metro North services could very well be the ideal candidate for a route merger with the Harlem line.

 

By the way, I wonder when the first preview screenshots of the route will release? Supposedly it should be soon, right? I mean Horseshoe Curve already had a preview, the upcoming UK steam route also did, so the Harlem Line should be next, I assume.

Even if if they don't extend the route's length, I sure hope at least it will look good.

 

If I would have to guess I will think it after this coming week on Tuesday when they do another roadmap update stream.

 

Same here I am hoping that they get everything right and realistic and on point, with the train, train sound, track sound, noises, ambient, environment, lighting, and especially the grand central station with real working PIS that is based on the real route where you see the MTA Logo and time, in a blue background, and the billboard that is current, and also the ceiling fan on every corner near the train tracks

 

And I want a Lamborghini. I expect we'll both be disappointed.

 

We won't know until the day come.

 

TrainSim-Matt I don't know what year this taken but i think it might help the team a little. It's a picture of the layout of grand central terminal train track layout for the upper and lower part of the train layout on this site.

https://www.american-rails.com/images/123999767290929057672996726.jpg
https://www.american-rails.com/images/456023049286820092394868266.jpg
If you scroll down to the bottom you can see the picture of the track out for upper and lower levels for the train.

Here are others i think might be helpful
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3740/8902049267_ea3c66d0d3_b.jpg

Here is a picture of the Abandon Station at GCT
http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/gct61.html

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/grand-central-station-how-did-it-work


TrainSim-Matt Sorry i can't post the picture, i try to.
TrainSim-Matt Please let me know if this would help out the team.

 

i hope we get some routes like that in TSW2

 

???

 

This is how an M3 SUPPOSE TO SOUND Like Not Like the LIRR M3 That we have in-game

 

To be honest there really isn't much to be heard there, other than the horn and the rattling. You can't hear anything of the traction system from this video.