Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

Hold on, we have these chalkboard PIS screens in the game? I recall DTG wanting to create them for WSR and SOS, but don’t believe they ever made it into the game. Let’s hope we get them one day because - with the announcement of the new Peak Forest route - we now have three add-ons that could benefit from these chalkboard PIS screens!

 

Most likely getting mixed up with the CRT screens on WCL.

 

Too many red flags….. another rush job….. excuses after excuses…… after the 21st will be on to the next route……..I wanted to support them. I wanted them to do well. But they choose not to listen to the community. We have been giving them tons and tons of feed back since October…….. yet we are getting 289 services for NEC route……. 82 passenger services total for NJT…….
Even Sursee got more than that

 

Why not cut out the 16 Long distance trains, and put 16 LIRR trains instead?

 

Toggles for layers would also help with performance issues. These issues do exist on PS5 with the likes of BML with very low fps in parts of the route. I’d gladly ged rid of the HST on that route, It really doesn’t need to be there and does affect performance. The freight does too and more freight has been added recently, although I’d be less inclined to disable those because of what they add to the route. But give us an option to do so.

Toggles for layers are better than removing them by uninstalling routes to avoid them. Players on PS5 can tell you all about how constant uninstalling and reinstalling isn’t something you want to be doing and PS4 players can’t do it without a full uninstall as they can’t remove single DLC.

Toggles for loco substitutions and for custom liveries too wouldn’t go amiss. That may seem like a lot of toggles but in my view you can’t have too many options. PC players have all the graphics options and they aren’t complaining. We need Toggle Sim World.

 

I just cant get my head around it, they've given us more Acela services then in reality, they've added Amtrak LD trains in but without the correct coaches, but then they've skimped on NJT services despite the ALP-46 being the "shiny" new thing.

The lack of preorder discount coupled with the nagging doubts I have that this is going to be another rushed buggy release just like BBO means I'm reconsidering if I am going to be picking this up on day 1, I'll be honest (like many people Id imagine right now) I certainly dont have the spends I did 6 months ago, and whilst I could easily pick up this and the Acela up on day 1, Im questioning if this would give me value for money. And right now I just dont feel it will.

 

Should’ve to cut anything. They just need to what’s right. Show the LIRR and NJT some love with realistic services…. Not what we are getting which is a disgrace and doesn’t represent the NEC at all

 

That would just make it even more unrealistic for these routes. NJT doesn't use chalkboard to tell passengers when the next train is coming

 

Those who have decided to stay stuck in the past with 10 year old hardware I think are aware that they will somehow be penalised with fewer layers/services. The problem is created by DTG for taking the easy way out and not wasting time in creating different versions for each generation. Thanks to that the penalised are all the rest of us.

 

There are already separate versions of tsw3 and has been when dtg upgraded to 4.26

 

So next week there will be ONE stream for THREE DLCs……. They know they got a lack luster route…. Is a shame. Really shame.

 

Another reason why DTG should dropped the 8th gen when they launched TSW 3, Xbox and Playstation always held back PC gaming even on others games too, but this is not excuse from PS and Xbox, this is DTG FAULT, not dropping then and we having this discussion here ... Look where we started and where we are now, everything just started with a timetable and this is ending because of console, and this discussion will happen again in future, so DTG I ask, could be easyer if you dropped the last gen console nah?

 

It is Friday night, they are probably in the pub or at home with their loved ones, everyone deserves some downtime.

 

I don't think he is taking about this, he is mentioning the technology that Adam created where is on the chalkboard for the PIS system would be able to add to other older route that use the PIS System such as the West Cornwall, and back than Time era when there was no PIS system. TimTri Correct me if i am wrong, i think that what you are trying to say

 

The ironic part being that DTG literally created a thread to get people to put images of PIS as a way to get reference for it. There is reference for PIS for the MTA Metro-North Railroad, NJ Transit and even the MTA Long Island Railroad yet they just keep copying and pasting the inaccurate pis.

With LIRR, the reason why it is incorrect is apparently the preservation crew did have reference for the LIRR PIS but ran out of time to implement it so they added the inaccurate looking pis due to self imposed time constraints. They haven't bothered to add the correct pis to LIRR ever since and just keep copying and pasting that pis design to other American routes despite feedback.

There is absolutely no excuse for that at this point when a one off SNCF LGV route can have authentic pis

 

I am also so surprise as well, they could split it for tuesday and thursday, but instead like you said ALL IN ONE STREAM, that is unacceptable, unless they are using this time wisely and putting in last finishing touch such as what we as the community want in this route. If the stream is all on this Thursday they better use a good whole portion of the stream showcasing the NY Penn- Trenton, and less on the freight, because this is MORE IMPORTANT. I am sure others agree here as well

 

Of course. I mean adapting EVERY route to the possibilities of each generation. What is the point of having so many versions of TSW if they are not really optimised for each platform?
Why would a PC user spend thousands of pounds if he then has to swallow DTG saying that it doesn't include static stock because of performance? No, sorry Mr. DTG, you are limiting the possibilities of your product and matching everything with the lowest possible performance, which is the easiest thing to do.

 

You are absolutely right, if the PIS system is wrong, they should have implement the correct LIRR PIS, instead of cutting corner, and slacking off. They think that we won't know, but of course, we know.
So far I don't know but from what Matt said some of the starts they are reusing is crazy, especially from the old DLC. I would have thought that they would create everything new or at least revamp the old terminal station and make it much more better than before but NO, THE TEAM decide TO CUT Corner and not show any love towards the AMERICAN ROUTE AT ALL.

 

So, 289 playable services, but how many additional AI non-playable? Either way, we're talking about a timetable here that is a fraction of what we know the game can cope with. Ignoring Brighton with its 4000+ anomaly, there really is no reason for the lack of effort here. We know DTG has an optimization problem, and despite their claims of looking to rectify that, we're still getting poor performance as an excuse for not doing things prototypically.

On the PIS, they literally said on the stream last night "that a lot of the beta testers are around this area and have provided lots of great reference". What about PIS reference? I'm not blaming the beta team here, but this just proves DTG don't care about US content.

 

To be fair, reusing already exsisting content is not an issue if said assets are good enough already. In the case of NY Penn for example, the station model itself is pretty good. They just need to fix the track layout to prevent the trains from clipping into the platforms. Really no need to remake the whole station model just for that. Also reusing most of the Sunnyside Yard and old NEC sections is perfectly fine, as long as they do some touch up to bring them up to date. If that happened though, well we will see in the preview stream.

That is a good question. I was also thinking about that, but considering they did not use the opportunity to put out the fire by saying there are AI non-playable services to addition to this count, I assume there are none. No Amtrak or NJT AI, no freight AI and no LIRR AI.

 

I for one will not be buying any more TSW content or TS Classic they are not getting any more of my money all us players should just stop bankrolling them! let the company go under, then they might just ask where did they go wrong lol.

 

You know the fact that DLC prices are up and they are doing this is just not right at all. If they have the prices up they need to make every route worth it especially this one.

 

Yeah making a poor timetable and cutting corners and reusing scenery from 5 years ago is really unjustified with the price increase. It’s ridiculous.

 

One of the things that actually makes me appreciate LGV more over time. It had its problems, but the train was nearly flawless, the sounds were pretty good, and these things were done right.

 

LIRR even has the low-poly non-driveable version of the M7 as a static scenery object strewn about. Surely that could be used on the new route in a similar manner? It's not like it would be the memory or performance footprint of the full fat driveable train.

Cheers

 

That's not actually true. Bakerloo has a hugely expanded timetable from what it had at launch. Same with Hamburg-Lübeck. Köln-Aachen got an "alternate" timetable which is notably busier than the original. And one could I suppose count the services to Meißen in Riesa-Dresden, since neither they nor the branch were included at launch.

 

Bakerloo was a new timetable, not an upgrade of the existing one.

 

Actually i just finish a timetable run boston-providence, and realize that there are still major issue that they need to fix especially with the timetable. The timetable is all mess up, for some reason they expected me to get to the next station in 3 minute but with the train that i am current using for that specific timetable, it is really hard especially with the MBT Deisel train, it is so heavy that i can't pick up speed, even if i try full throttle i still got to the next station late, which really mess up my score. Ended up getting a silver star for that run.
I think the team should go back and look at the time table, especially now that they are putting in Acela, i hope that the update would also fix the timetable issue as well.

There is also a minor problem with one of the station. i believe its missing a step or a ladder. As you can see from this photo attach

 

That strikes me as a distinction without a difference

 

To be fair to Dovetail Games,
Brighton Mainline just got some additional freight services added to the existing timetable

Hopefully, they reconsider this timetable and add LIRR to Penn Station

 

- JD and Matt reveal in a stream that the NY-Trenton timetable will be lackluster
- Later join in a thread complaining about said lackluster timetable news to confirm that the timetable is, in fact, lackluster
- Weekend (no follow-up info until Monday)

Sigh.

 

Although I will probably end up buying NY-Trenton because we have so few US passenger routes, I will do so with less enthusiasm than I thought I would a week ago.

It may turn out to be fair to good, but it could have been great.

It likely will not be busy enough to simulate the real railway and I expect the terminal stations to be mausoleums like so many are in TSW.

Once again, a missed opportunity on the part of DTG.

( judging the route ahead of the stream, but I doubt it will change many minds ).

 

I don't think it does, because if they have to make a whole new timetable that makes it unlikely they'll do so to add a few services.

Those were services programmed into the timetable from the start but disabled due to bugs.

 

I would say Harlem Line is also pretty good. Even though the diesels withthe Shoreliners and New Haven Line trains are missing, it's still quite busy and overall a good route with small issues. And in my opinion Peninsula Corridor could be the best US passenger route (and one of the best in TSW overall) if it weren't for the horrible distant scenery with the ugly water and barebone hillsides.

I assume that is exactly what they used, judging by the fact that they said they only appear in scenarios.

 

This is how busy it is in the real world

 

And if it didn't have missing services and broken stuff in TSW3.

 

Another run that I did, and also the timetable is messed up, as you can see I am not allow to speed up fast enough to make it on time to the next station which is ridiculous and a pain, due to the atc allow me to go 20 mph only, which is horrible. I really hope they will fix this by next week, once the big update for Boston to Providence roll out

 

This is so ANNOYING, THE TIMETABLE IS ALL MESS UP. I can't play this route at all due to the timetable, and ATS Problem

 

Why even try to play Boston now, when these problems will be fixed in the update? Just a recipe for anger lol

 

I know lol i should just stop playing this route. I really do hope they fix this

 

They are,
However this thread isn't about Boston.

 

This should be how the sunnyside yard, where its busy with LIRR, NJTransit, Amtrak and More. As you can see most of them is the M7A LIRR

 

People really need to break the habit of buying stuff on day 1. That goes for any game. Wait, watch, and see. If something turns out to be to your liking after release evaluation, then go for it. What did you lose? The content hasn't changed. If it turns out to be garbage, at least you can be disappointed with your money still in your wallet instead of the double whammy of hurt feelings + money lost.

What have we seen time and time again since the TSW3 announcement? New content, then the forum fills up with massive bug reports and wishes that the route was done better. And it will keep going this way again and again and again. You've even heard DTG themselves tell you not to buy their stuff if it doesn't look good to you. I know it's definitely a hobby that keeps you wanting more, but at some point people need to take a breather and stop the cycle. Plus there is zero incentive for a developer to put out higher quality if the money rolls in on lower effort product. Anyhow, just my thoughts on the subject.

 

No they can dumb the Series S version down if they wanted to. But ... that takes time. This is DTG, it's that company that does not want their talent to shine. So ain't got time for that. Next release should already be in testing

 

What missing services and broken stuff? I have been playing Peninsula Corridor on TSW3 recently and it seemed all fine to me?

 

Sunnyside Yard
Train Simulator Classic LIRR vs Train Sim World New York-Trenton

 

Sunnyside Yard
Train Simulator Classic LIRR vs Train Sim World LIRR (and what will be on New York-Trenton since they barely did any touch ups)

 

Passenger Information Screens;

Authentic NJT PIS: (at least at Penn, might differ slightly at other stations, but you get the idea)



The inaccurate & British PIS they're reusing for the THIRD time after lots of feedback from Harlem and Boston on this.


Honestly, it really is the equivalent of if they used German PIS on all British routes or French PIS on all German routes... It makes no sense.

 

In the video description, it even says "the busiest rail interlocking in the Country"... and look at the number of LIRRs alone