Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

The Arrow IIIs and Comet Vs would be great, especially the Arrows. I doubt DTG would make ALP-45DPs because they're typically only used in electric mode on the Northeast Corridor Line and there's no real reason for them to switch to diesel. Which could lead to people saying stuff like "why can't I run the ALP-45 in diesel?" Or "Why does the ALP-45 use diesel in the game when it doesn't use diesel on this line in real life?" and so on.

Sidenote, I find it a bit interesting how a large portion of NJT's ALP-45s run in one mode, either electric or diesel. There may be only a handful of occasions / routes where the locomotives actually switch between their two modes. Meanwhile, in Quebec, Exo regularly uses both modes on their ALP-45s.

 

Probably a stupid question but my peanut brain can’t figure this out right now:

Does this revised timetable also include more PLAYABLE services for NJT stock?

Also, huge thanks to Joe for taking this project on.

 

Yes it is. It's on the roadmap article

 

Like I said I have a peanut brain please be patient thanks

 

You're good. I'm not judging. I only mentioned the article so you can have more details on what to expect.

 

Thanks man
No hard felines

 

DTG Matt Can you confirm if signaling fixes are still being worked on too?

 

The ALP-45s would actually be really useful, because they provide an option for a layer of diesel services on the Raritan Line (to/from Newark). I don't remember if the 51xx-series Raritan trains to/from New York (during off-peak hours) had started by 2019, but they are an example of dual-mode use, as are the 33xx Coast Line trains between NYP and Bay Head. And the 45s (and potential Comet coaches) in electric mode are interchangeable on NJT with the existing 46s and MultiLevels, so could substitute for any of the existing electric services.

 

oh that was bad

 

In addition to the calendar being revised, is the issue of the pantographs being down also being analyzed and will it come with the timetable?

 

In addition to the above ^

I hope the Metroliner Cab Car will get proper livery designer functionality too

 

I'm happy to see the Timetable being worked on, adding the Arrow III's as a DLC Add-on would add even more to make the NEC NYP to Trenton route the BEST US route ever made for the TSW franchise. Hopefully you guys can add CSX Freight layers and also LIRR AI layers to the Timetabled Services to help the environment not seem so empty and not just in the Scenarios and training especially because we play the Timetabled Services more as to where players will complete all of the Scenarios and will more than likely never play them again and will only play the Services... I’d like to see the AI pantograph issue fixed, I've also been seeing alot of AI Multilevel Trains with the opposite side doors open (like the platform is on the right side but all of the doors on the left side are open while the train is moving) seeing NJ Trains also with no marker lights turned on.

 

I think if there were Freight layers for NYT, it should be a mix from both SPG and HSC. as most of the yards in the area are Conrail Shared Assets yards, and they borrow power from both CSX and NS. Though any CSX yards on the route such as the South Kearny Yard should be CSX only.

 

not as a loco dlc. It is better gameplay wise to get a separate route for the alp45dp and layer in so you get more playbility. While the dp runs on this route, we wouldn't be able to do power changeovers for example

 

We even get some rare UP sightings on those tracks as well, probably leased equipment though as is usually in a mixed power set up…. So I wouldn’t expect or want to have those layer in. But, yes, we do see a ton of CSX and NS, so it’d be great to see those layer in somehow.

 

I'm aware the ALP45s are used on a select few NJT trains on the Raritan Valley & NJC Lines for direct trains from NYP to Raritan / High Bridge and Bay Head respectively. I took a look at NJT's schedules for both lines and saw the following that likely use ALP-45DPs in both modes that access the Northeast Corridor.
Raritan Valley Line (51xx Trains / Weekday Schedule - 2023) - 16 Trains

• 5126, 5170, 5132, 5134, 5176, 5150, 5152, 5154 (High Bridge / Raritan To NYP)
• 5121, 5123, 5175, 5127, 5179, 5193, 5155, 5197 (NYP to Raritan / High Bridge)

North Jersey Coast Line (33xx Trains / Weekday Schedule - 2023) - 6 Trains

• 3312, 3320, 3326 (Bay Head to NYP)
  
• 3361, 3363, 3373 (NYP to Bay Head)

I was referring to NECL trains, they don't switch modes, and being that they would be the main operable trains, it's unlikely DTG would invest their time, energy and budget for a locomotive that could be operated in dual mode primarily by AI. Yes, they could be used in strictly electric mode on NECL trains, but it would negate the purpose of dual mode. RVL trains would switch modes most likely at Newark, which if playable defeats the purpose because AI would take over. NJCL trains typically switch at Long Branch, which isn't in the game, and there are only 3 round trips.

I have nothing against ALP-45s. I just find it unlikely that DTG would build this locomotive. If there's a "locomotive" DLC, I think Arrow IIIs are more likely. The closest thing we have to ALP-45s is the glitch that has the ALP-46s running with their pans down

I know the timetable is based off the 2019 version, but I think the current 2023 one helps paint the picture.

 

Idk about anyone else, but the main static train I would love to see outside of LIRR is the Turbotrain in Adams Yard.

 

Oh boy
Looks like I’ll be taking off work for a week when this update drops

 

are you able to say if any of the freight layers added are AI only or can be played?
apologies if this was already confirmed or denied, haven't been able to read through as much as I like.

 

Oh, my goodness!

When I think back to the post- release assertion: " we're not investigating the timetable ", and then see what Joethefish is doing, I feel like belting out a chorus of The Ramones' " I Believe In Miracles ".

 

This is going to be hands down an awesome update If this is successful, I am confident future US passenger routes will be great

 

Joethefish are trains on Seacaucus lower level going to be playable?

 

The lower level is not Playable and no AI. Maybe in a future DLC with either Pascack Valley or Main-Bergen County line which would require Diesel.

 

I posted this on Sunday. Little did I know.......

 

No that makes sense to me. The public timetable for the coast line from September 2019 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200331224023/https://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/R0080.pdf) lists only 6 trains on weekday schedules between HOB and Long Branch (3 in each direction). All those ran under the 26XX numbers and as far as I know, used electric (ALP) equipment so that they could be rotated for NYP services. Only the 23XX series trains would run with diesel equipment between Hoboken and Bay Head and none were present in the 2019 timetable (likely discontinued a while back).

 

I think what would make this route stand out is if we had both levels of Seacaucus Junction playable. I also always felt that a NJT route for TSW3 SHOULDN'T have been NYP-Trenton. A branch line would've been nice but I do hope we can get one of those in the future.

For freight, Raritan Valley would be the best branch line to utilize freight as both CSX and NS use many stations there. The freight branches off and it's near Dunellen Station. You also have Bound Brook further up the line where freight runs along its own track besides the NJT station. There's another line with freight, but i'm forgetting its name and Raritan Valley is probably better, anyway.

 

It can't be very practical to have both levels of Secaucus playable on the same route

 

If they add Raritan Valley to the game, as I suggested (and it seems other people want a branch line as well) then that would be a different route that runs on the lower level.

No route runs on both levels anyway so your statement doesn't apply.

 

The Raritan Valley Line has nothing to do with the lower level at Secaucus Junction. It branches off from the NEC at Hunter, west of Newark Penn, where it joins the Conrail Lehigh Line as far as Aldene, then follows the CNJ to High Bridge. Raritan trains that run through to NYP are on the upper level at Secaucus like any other Corridor train.

 

I was the one that suggested the RVL since High Bridge is 20-30 min from where I live Easton, PA area. It runs the upper level of Secaucus Junction on it's 51xx trips to NY Penn. For the player you basically run it Newark to New York Penn. On here if merged a 1hr 40 High Bridge to NYC run. Another possibility of using the upper level of Secaucus Junction is Morris and Essex Lines by building it to Summit exit 45 off I-78 High Bridge on RVL is exits 16-18 off the same Highway.

 

Hey Joethefish I was wondering if it was possible to add the ALP45 services from Newark Penn that would represent the Ratitan Valley line. Since they would be operating on AC mode on the route.I know early on the thread Matt ask if it would be appropriate for the Substitution and most gave feed back that it would.these would add some shorter services to/from Newark Penn and about 6 more for the NJCL.
Below are services that I grab from northeasttrainman
ALP-45DPs in both modes that access the Northeast Corridor.
Raritan Valley Line (51xx Trains / Weekday Schedule - 2023) - 16 Trains

• 5126, 5170, 5132, 5134, 5176, 5150, 5152, 5154 (High Bridge / Raritan To NYP)
• 5121, 5123, 5175, 5127, 5179, 5193, 5155, 5197 (NYP to Raritan / High Bridge)

North Jersey Coast Line (33xx Trains / Weekday Schedule - 2023) - 6 Trains

• 3312, 3320, 3326 (Bay Head to NYP)
  
• 3361, 3363, 3373 (NYP to Bay Head)

 

LIRR is abandoned? Will we ever see a full timetable for it?

 

From a while back, Matt explained how he created a new timetable for lirr, but it broke due to the signaling. Signaling requires an overhaul and it is a big task. Doesn't seem possible unless dtg rebuild lirr with atc and acses like tsc does for it to work

 

I definitely hope with what was learned from NY-Trenton, we can get a rebuild of LIRR soon so we can implement the improved LIRR timetable. If it's rebuilt, the line can even be recreated to Ronkonkoma hopefully with more scenery items. This would also be a good chance to fix the issues with the propulsion/incorrect sounds for the M7

 

I know. Just asking about it, hoping to hear some good news from schedule maestro.

 

Cover story well used. It used to be true that the trains signed to long branch from nyp you had to wait for the bay head shuttle whereas the ones to bay head had the shuttle waiting. Not sure how often that happens anymore it’s been a bit since I’ve been into the city and didn’t drive to secaucus.

Back in the day they used to switch engines from diesel to a gg1 in south amboy. It was my favorite part of the trip into the city when I was a kid.

 

LIRR needs more than a timetable rework; until the signaling is overhauled, the timetable can't really be fixed.

 

Yeah i seen that

 

Here is a copy from the Ratitan valley line. I think it works out since they operate during off peak hours from 09:30am to around 3pm and then 7:50pm to 11:08pm

 

looks like the trains would arrive at Penn station and then depart from what ever platform they are on. Not enough time for the Sunny side loop since it takes 36 minutes to go around . These would be a great add.looks like it uses track 2 when going to Penn and track 5 for Ratitan

 

I think what nepclassof84 was referring to was the bandwidth the game can handle, not individual physical trains running on both levels. It's impractical in real life too, hence why it doesn't happen, at least in revenue service.

I'll speak for myself, I'm not sure if the game would be able to handle two levels / divisions of train traffic there. Then if the lower level Hoboken Division (diesel) lines aren't built to a certain extent / level, there will be even more dissension. Will the diesel lines be built in their entirety? Will new locomotives & rolling stock need to be created? Will the Meadowlands Sports Complex be included? Static trains? Freight trains (not at Secaucus, but farther along certain lines)?

It could mean the inclusion of Hoboken, which could mean / imply the need for at least the following to be built out / made playable:

1. Waterfront Connection
2. Meadowland Maintenance Complex (MMC)
3. Building out the Morris & Essex line to connect at the Kearny Connection (I know the connection isn't for trains from Hoboken, only for trains from points west i.e. Dover, Summit, Gladstone, etc)
4. Lower Hack Lift Bridge

Even though the DLC is explicitly titled Northeast Corridor: New York - Trenton, there are many who appear to want multiple branch lines built in their entirety IN this DLC.
At that point, NJ Transit could be a whole videogame in itself. Or perhaps the whole NJ - NY Metro Region (mainly NJT, Amtrak & LIRR), since Philly won't be included due to SEPTA not participating with DTG atm. I'm all for it by the way and I'd gladly purchase it. I just don't see such a vast expansion taking place in a strictly digital DLC focused on one route. If we couldn't get Morrisville Yard, Princeton Branch, or bumper blocks for Tracks 1-4 at NYP in this DLC, I'm not hopeful there will be any route extensions / connections in this DLC. Budget, Bandwidth (Videogame & Human Bandwidth of the Developers), Deadlines, Demand, Priorities, etc have to be taken into consideration.

Train Sim World: The Great Northeast sounds good to me. Wishful thinking.

 

Sorry if this has been previously mentioned, but I don't have time to read 1000+ replies. But in real-life, are you able to see the Manhattan skyline at Secaucus or when approaching the North River Tunnels? The DLC seems like you're in the middle of the country despite being only 5 miles or so from Midtown Manhattan.

 

No, don't let them touch it! They'll break something and make it worse.

 

Google suggests yes, as this view of I95 right before Secaucus Junction shows.

And here's the view from google street view a short distance down the road, as it runs parallel to the tracks entering the station, with many of the same buildings visible.

 

Despite this topic being called "NY-Trenton: USA Content Is Still Severly Flawed", I have good news.
Previously, the NJ Transit Train 3961 service was unplayable (watch here), as an Amtrak train blocked your path:


Now, the 3961 service is playable (watch here) as the Amtrak train moves up and discharges it's passengers, allowing you to diverge from Track 10 to 11 and run to Trenton.

 

That’s great news Joe. I can’t wait to get the new time table. I was looking at the LIRR time table during peak hours looks like they use platforms 14 through 21. I think 14 they share with Amtrak