The (1st) Just Trains Route: Preston - Blackpool And Omskirk

Or at that point they didn't have anyone to build traction for them!

 

Unless it has changed the code suggested diesel mechanical and diesel electric traction from what I recall. That would suggest no sprinters but there will be loco hauled trains.

Hopefully they will look at what realistically ran on the route. I do think some aircon mark 2's and some blue/grey mark 1's would be good, I have a suspicion we will be stuck with the trans-pennine rolling stock. Hopefully at least no trains without a brake vehicle. I suspect a catering vehicle will be conspicious by its absense again.

Sadly there are too many compromises made on historic routes in my opinion, something similar on a modern route would result in a forum meltdown.

 

Especially consider some of the modern sets like the HST do have a buffet/snack car. Part of the appeal for me is the variety in the historic periods! I'm hoping by them acknowledging the variation on the route they'll be able to get at least some of the way there though

 

I agree I think they will strive to provide variety. Certainly the 47, 31 and 101 would be a good fit. The 37 on freight although I think the WCL version might be a better fit than the TVL one. The 20's, especially reskinned in blue. The 45 depending on when it is set. I think the only unsuitable BR period stock we have in the sim is the class 40. A reskin in the green celebrity D200 would be lovely though if it featured.

 

I do agree especially on the D200. I remember when SEHS came out and everyone was trying to spot the trainbow. Having more of those unique liverys is great imo!

Very interested to see what JT come out with. Hopefully they can as others say avoid a WCL style layers for layers sake.

 

I was going to try and say similar but lcyrrjp has said it better than I think I could. I think routes in the past have missed out due to being held to an unreasonably high degree of accuracy. The 20 in particular is a lovely model and has not had enough use. If it is plausible and not ridiculous, I say let’s have it. I would prefer a route was set in an era rather than a specific year. It would do away with the issue of X didn’t overlap with Y by a few years so it has to be excluded. To me a route with a great 70’s – 80’s feel is much better than a lacklustre exact recreation of 1978

 

It depends how far you go. Class 40's or 45's, or even an all over blue class 47 hauling a brakeless rake of non airconditioned mark 2's in mid 1990's Cornwall is stretching the imagination far too much in my opinion, in fact it makes the route far less realistic.

As you allude to, class 20's hauling a summer Saturday train to Blackpool is not beyond the realms of possibilities even if it didn't happen in real life so yes should be included in my view.

 

Maybe the new thing will be a Blackpool tram to drive along the prom

 

I would pay £30 for a decent Blackpool Tramway as it was pre modernisation and pantograph era. A Balloon car and Twin Car (or Railcoach) would do nicely, then later DLC for Coronations, OMO cars and the illuminations trams.

 

The tramway might not be a long route but it certainly would be time consuming doing the full run from Star Gate to Fleetwood.

Maybe that'll end up on that Tramsim game.

 

Here's where it's Chester to Llandudno. Possibly not suggested yet but milage wise is close and fits the seasonal additionals plus the pacers were rife on the Coast when new.

 

An interesting thought, definitely worth putting on the list. Makes more sense from the freight POV too. Of course it could never equal NWC2 for MSTS, but as DadRail is fond of saying in his video clips, "I'll take that."

 

This could potentially be preston to blackpool north/south. In the roadmap it said it is 30 miles of scenery and 46 miles of train and preston to blackpool to north/south is 28.95 miles (which is close enough, the extra 1.05 miles is probably parts of the wcml out of preston). and the amount of track for preston to blackpool north and south would measure (for the main sections) 46.37 miles

 

Have you factored in the Fleetwood branch line?

 

True but IoW is no train.... It's more a tube

 

One tunnel on the entire route, hardly a tube line.

 

We know that and has formed the basis of most of the discussion already!

However it doesn’t hurt to speculate what other route it might be.

 

no, I have not

 

You've given two measurements for the exact same route.

 

As measured on Google Maps.

 

I not mean the route but thing where passenger are getting on and off..... More a tube than a train and a tube does not need underground to be a tube in the most cities around the world either

 

Ah yes, passengers getting on and off, something that doesn’t happen on normal trains. For the absence of any doubt, the long snake-like things with wheels and seats that passengers use on the tube are also trains. They are trains. Trains. The ‘tube’ refers to the big tube-like tunnels they travel through in London.

 

Sorry but you understand very well what I mean... IoW is a railway line with a different kind of transportation than Blackpool Preston further on on a way longer route to York/Leeds so the kind where IoW I made for (more tourist transportation) with a very small island is noting compared with a mainline railroad route with way larger amount of transportation way.

And please stop this useless discussion further on! It's useless!

 

You only describe it as useless because you're talking nonsense.

The Island Line is a railway
It uses former Underground trains
"Tube" comes from the tunnels that form the London Underground's network, and in turn is referring to the Underground as an entity.

There is no technical difference between the Island Line and a Mainline - only the passenger volume and location. They are both railways regardless.

We all know what you're trying to say, we also know it's nonsense.

 

Don't worry Xander, I agree with what you're saying. IoW does feel like a tube line.
Unfortunately, as per the norm lately, if others disagree with you, you will be spoken to in condescending amd sarcastic manner. Some rail nerds are a different breed

 

My moneys still on the Blackpool area bit this could be one alternative. Probably worth them slipping a bit more info soon to quell the rumour mill as there's not much else coming out DLC wise for the UK not for BR era anyhow...

 

Sounds like an awfully long winded way of saying "they will not just allow your statement to go unchecked" but sure.

 

yh, one was for the amount of scenery which was (almost) 30 miles, and 46 for the amount of track (which was twice of 17 (since preston to blackpool north is double track) and plus 11 for the line to blackpool south since that's single line I believe).
But mattwild55 has probably done it better

 

Thanks for you're support! That's always the case that I have give my personal opinion but there always people they try to correct you on a manner that there is no way possible than they think about it. Train nerds are sometimes a problem it's unpleasant to see some guys and talk to them. It's not always blue but it could be a different colour as wel.... I give my opinion nothing more. If didn't accept that go outside and walk a little and cool down before you go in attack modus text wise

 

I’ve written a guide to driving the 101, which includes a section on braking. I’m sure a lot of it will be things you know already, but there may be something new in there which helps. I’d really encourage you to keep trying - it’s incredibly satisfying when you get used to it. The guide is here:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2989281079

If you are still struggling, let me know what’s proving difficult and I will try to help.

 

The original Class 141s, and the 142s and 3s as built, were diesel-mechanical; the latter classes were upgraded with Voith hydraulics in the 1990s, and so in BR blue would still have been D-M.

 

I know, they are Pacers, I was referring to the poster referring to a class 150 which is a Sprinter and was built with hydraulic transmission.

 

I've tried it a handful of times, and it is by far the worst loco to use.
I don't enjoy it, in the slightest.

I find it ugly, boring and frankly, frustrating, to drive.

 

Hold on are you talking about the electrostar or 101. If electrostar I totally agree but if 101 than what I'll say is that they are very, rewarding once you get the hang of it, though that can be the part that may cause issues. I absolutely love the 101.

 

I’ll put you down as a ‘maybe’ then.

 

My only issue with the Class 101 DMU aka MetCamm is that it seems a little overpowered especially in Gears 1 to 3. I tend to hold back on the throttle to prevent it leaping away like a hare. Also the default sound is more akin to the BUT Leyland engine DMU’s than the AEC with that distinctive whine.

 

Consider trying it another handful of times. I first hated that thingy. Just to fall in deep love later on. That DMU is old fashioned by its era, but it is also an older TSW loco which was clearly modeled with love. There´re hardly any bugs, the interior is unique, her sounds - engine, track, flange squeal, brakes etc. - are nearly perfect. In short, I really enjoy taking her out for a drive, if not on TVL then on NTP. The time invested to learn about that dinosaur really paid off.

Of course, every man to his own, I respect different tastes. But I fail to find that kind of excitement when driving those modern, computerized cracker boxes with their combined throttle/brake levers.

 

The screenshot released earlier this week seems to show a location just after Poulton Le Fylde heading towards Preston. The curvature of the line, the crossing and the telegraph equipment seem to match with the location before electrification. Also to note in the text featured in the roadmap is the word 'Caper' which to me is another hint that we are getting the Class 142 to run from Preston to Blackpool North and South. I would love to hear if anyone has found a more likely candidate for the screenshot location.

 

We should not be getting Pacers as the code says diesel electric and diesel mechanical and Pacers and all second gen dmus are diesel hydrolic which is a relif for me as I hate pacers.

 

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but some Pacers started out in life as diesel mechanicals

 

this is good news

 

Oh, that’s depressing.

 

The Pacer was diesel mechanical when first introduced, albeit in a different form than the 1st generation dmus. No gear changes were necessary by the driver.

 

All the 141s, and the 142s and 143s until the 1990s, used the same automatic-shifting mechanical transmission as the Leyland bus they were based on. The hydraulic trannies were retrofits. Anything set in the BR era would be DM, not DH.

 

Pacers are awful monstrosities

 

They certainly had their faults but they served the purpose they were designed for, indeed for much longer than anticipated. For this they deserve their place in history.

 

I could not agree more.

 

From the practical point of view though, without them in the mid 80's it is quite likely some rural or even urban services would simply have ceased to operate. Provincial or Regional Railways was operating on a very tight budget (in fact at work it was disparagingly referred to as "Poverty Rail") which is why 2 car Sprinters replaced 5 or 6 coach loco hauled trains. The heritage DMU fleet, lovely though they might be, were on their last legs often not enough to cover all the diagrams or they conked out in the middle of the day. They would not have lasted much longer than they did and Pacers were the cheap and cheerless replacement.

 

So did the Trabant

 

Love them or hate them (and I'm sure the number who had fond memories riding them is low), they are an important part of UK railway history and it's only right that they get included in TSW