The (1st) Just Trains Route: Preston - Blackpool And Omskirk

An interesting thought, definitely worth putting on the list. Makes more sense from the freight POV too. Of course it could never equal NWC2 for MSTS, but as DadRail is fond of saying in his video clips, "I'll take that."

 

This could potentially be preston to blackpool north/south. In the roadmap it said it is 30 miles of scenery and 46 miles of train and preston to blackpool to north/south is 28.95 miles (which is close enough, the extra 1.05 miles is probably parts of the wcml out of preston). and the amount of track for preston to blackpool north and south would measure (for the main sections) 46.37 miles

 

Have you factored in the Fleetwood branch line?

 

True but IoW is no train.... It's more a tube

 

One tunnel on the entire route, hardly a tube line.

 

We know that and has formed the basis of most of the discussion already!

However it doesn’t hurt to speculate what other route it might be.

 

no, I have not

 

You've given two measurements for the exact same route.

 

As measured on Google Maps.

 

I not mean the route but thing where passenger are getting on and off..... More a tube than a train and a tube does not need underground to be a tube in the most cities around the world either

 

Ah yes, passengers getting on and off, something that doesn’t happen on normal trains. For the absence of any doubt, the long snake-like things with wheels and seats that passengers use on the tube are also trains. They are trains. Trains. The ‘tube’ refers to the big tube-like tunnels they travel through in London.

 

Sorry but you understand very well what I mean... IoW is a railway line with a different kind of transportation than Blackpool Preston further on on a way longer route to York/Leeds so the kind where IoW I made for (more tourist transportation) with a very small island is noting compared with a mainline railroad route with way larger amount of transportation way.

And please stop this useless discussion further on! It's useless!

 

You only describe it as useless because you're talking nonsense.

The Island Line is a railway
It uses former Underground trains
"Tube" comes from the tunnels that form the London Underground's network, and in turn is referring to the Underground as an entity.

There is no technical difference between the Island Line and a Mainline - only the passenger volume and location. They are both railways regardless.

We all know what you're trying to say, we also know it's nonsense.

 

Don't worry Xander, I agree with what you're saying. IoW does feel like a tube line.
Unfortunately, as per the norm lately, if others disagree with you, you will be spoken to in condescending amd sarcastic manner. Some rail nerds are a different breed

 

My moneys still on the Blackpool area bit this could be one alternative. Probably worth them slipping a bit more info soon to quell the rumour mill as there's not much else coming out DLC wise for the UK not for BR era anyhow...

 

Sounds like an awfully long winded way of saying "they will not just allow your statement to go unchecked" but sure.

 

yh, one was for the amount of scenery which was (almost) 30 miles, and 46 for the amount of track (which was twice of 17 (since preston to blackpool north is double track) and plus 11 for the line to blackpool south since that's single line I believe).
But mattwild55 has probably done it better

 

Thanks for you're support! That's always the case that I have give my personal opinion but there always people they try to correct you on a manner that there is no way possible than they think about it. Train nerds are sometimes a problem it's unpleasant to see some guys and talk to them. It's not always blue but it could be a different colour as wel.... I give my opinion nothing more. If didn't accept that go outside and walk a little and cool down before you go in attack modus text wise

 

I’ve written a guide to driving the 101, which includes a section on braking. I’m sure a lot of it will be things you know already, but there may be something new in there which helps. I’d really encourage you to keep trying - it’s incredibly satisfying when you get used to it. The guide is here:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2989281079

If you are still struggling, let me know what’s proving difficult and I will try to help.

 

The original Class 141s, and the 142s and 3s as built, were diesel-mechanical; the latter classes were upgraded with Voith hydraulics in the 1990s, and so in BR blue would still have been D-M.

 

I know, they are Pacers, I was referring to the poster referring to a class 150 which is a Sprinter and was built with hydraulic transmission.

 

I've tried it a handful of times, and it is by far the worst loco to use.
I don't enjoy it, in the slightest.

I find it ugly, boring and frankly, frustrating, to drive.

 

Hold on are you talking about the electrostar or 101. If electrostar I totally agree but if 101 than what I'll say is that they are very, rewarding once you get the hang of it, though that can be the part that may cause issues. I absolutely love the 101.

 

I’ll put you down as a ‘maybe’ then.

 

My only issue with the Class 101 DMU aka MetCamm is that it seems a little overpowered especially in Gears 1 to 3. I tend to hold back on the throttle to prevent it leaping away like a hare. Also the default sound is more akin to the BUT Leyland engine DMU’s than the AEC with that distinctive whine.

 

Consider trying it another handful of times. I first hated that thingy. Just to fall in deep love later on. That DMU is old fashioned by its era, but it is also an older TSW loco which was clearly modeled with love. There´re hardly any bugs, the interior is unique, her sounds - engine, track, flange squeal, brakes etc. - are nearly perfect. In short, I really enjoy taking her out for a drive, if not on TVL then on NTP. The time invested to learn about that dinosaur really paid off.

Of course, every man to his own, I respect different tastes. But I fail to find that kind of excitement when driving those modern, computerized cracker boxes with their combined throttle/brake levers.

 

The screenshot released earlier this week seems to show a location just after Poulton Le Fylde heading towards Preston. The curvature of the line, the crossing and the telegraph equipment seem to match with the location before electrification. Also to note in the text featured in the roadmap is the word 'Caper' which to me is another hint that we are getting the Class 142 to run from Preston to Blackpool North and South. I would love to hear if anyone has found a more likely candidate for the screenshot location.

 

We should not be getting Pacers as the code says diesel electric and diesel mechanical and Pacers and all second gen dmus are diesel hydrolic which is a relif for me as I hate pacers.

 

this is good news

 

Oh, that’s depressing.

 

The Pacer was diesel mechanical when first introduced, albeit in a different form than the 1st generation dmus. No gear changes were necessary by the driver.

 

All the 141s, and the 142s and 143s until the 1990s, used the same automatic-shifting mechanical transmission as the Leyland bus they were based on. The hydraulic trannies were retrofits. Anything set in the BR era would be DM, not DH.

 

Pacers are awful monstrosities

 

They certainly had their faults but they served the purpose they were designed for, indeed for much longer than anticipated. For this they deserve their place in history.

 

I could not agree more.

 

From the practical point of view though, without them in the mid 80's it is quite likely some rural or even urban services would simply have ceased to operate. Provincial or Regional Railways was operating on a very tight budget (in fact at work it was disparagingly referred to as "Poverty Rail") which is why 2 car Sprinters replaced 5 or 6 coach loco hauled trains. The heritage DMU fleet, lovely though they might be, were on their last legs often not enough to cover all the diagrams or they conked out in the middle of the day. They would not have lasted much longer than they did and Pacers were the cheap and cheerless replacement.

 

So did the Trabant

 

Actually, adding the cost of replacing their drivetrains, Pacers wound up costing much the same as the far better Sprinters

 

I get the feeling this route could have a lot more info announced but is embargoed by the Glossop release being ahead. May be wrong but the scenic shot seemed advanced. A bit of info on the region its in would do no harm....

 

Yes I feel like once Glossop is out we may well be bombarded with info, I mean I am not complaining as I'd much prefer it in bulk than be dripfed info over months. The scenery is looking lovely as you say and when you combine that with the era, dare I say, it may well be the best route release this year, providing all the gameplay side of things works.

 

I agree this route has loads of potential but I would be distrought if they added pacers with it, not only as I can’t stand the sight of them and also it would mean 40s would not be in it as they had finished by the time the production pacers were working.

 

That's my worry as already expressed, it will end up being a mashup like WCL and most definitely not "BR Blue".

 

Yes it would be a shame not to have 40s but for me not having a layer with Peaks would disappoint me a bit too, though they lasted until 88 so hopefully I should be able to enjoy the peaks on another route. Anyway I feel I've waffled a bit there, so sorry mate!

 

I agree I think we should be fine for peaks and duffs well they go without saying which is anoying as peaks and buckets are so much better.

 

Agreed, personally the 70s was the best decade and one which I would really like to see in TSW, though as you say with the pacer hint and the signage in the screenshot a mid to possibly late 80s route seems to be what we are getting from JT this time around.

 

Agreed.

 

I really hope they don't do a Rivet and DTG special and fill it with a random assortment. Being JT I hope they stick to the realism because we could get such a great route from it.

Especially with all of the stock we already have. Wasn't aware of the conflicts with Pacers and 40s time line wise. Do the pacers conflict with anything else we have in TSW so far?

 

Off the top of my head, I don't think so, no.

 

Bonjour pk pas un train en france ?

 

English please and what does this have to do with the Just Trains British route?