Xbox Series S Layers - Dtg Are Misleading Cash Grabbers

Hi,

I am on Xbox Series S and I don't wish to be forced to have layers removed. This was advertised and confirmed as having 700/158 AI and static etc upon release and now I have just seen that I now don't get a choice. This makes the route less immersive and I (the customer) should be given the option to turn them on/off.

Seen as you can't fluently address this to the public prior to grabbing my money, I will wait to hear what poor excuses you dish out. (We will be lucky to see if you can actually be a*sed to reply).

I'll just go and get my refund, you consistently lie to your target audience constantly and you'll never change it to allow me access to things I have our jaded and your company will never change.

Selfish people and a big disappointment as always.

 

It does seem really stupid they've prioritised the other layers over the 158 especially. Of course if we had selectable layers that would be more than ideal in these situations

 

This is something players have asked for ages but it falls on deaf ears

 

not going to lie i'm massively disappointed there's no Class 158 on ECML for us, especially as it was stated we would get them recently from DTG themselves.. the fact there are 11 other, way less important layers included but no Class 158 is a real shame in my opinion

 

I upgraded from Xbox One to Xbox series S last spring specifically to get the layers not available on Gen 8.
I really did not want the added cost of the X.

 

DTG:

 

XBox Series S has been out long enough, and its memory shortcomings well enough publicized, that I can't feel much sympathy for the OP or anyone else who went cheap but still expected Series X functionality. THIS IS NOT DTG'S FAULT. It's yours, for buying a Gen 8.5 console.

 

I agree overall, but saying it’s not DTG’s fault is a stretch, we all know they can do so much better with optimisation. That said, yes, a lot of people don’t seem to realise that the series S is almost half the cost of a series X for a reason.

 

Not a good look for the franchise though to be trimming off the product in order to get it through the door. It looks (and looks can be deceiving) like a cash grab by releasing on platforms that cant handle it, lack of testing to determine that, lack of time to establish parameters, or a combination of all three and more.
Avoidable disappointment perhaps..

 

See, this is why you don't pre-order stuff based on empty promises alone.

 

With respect some people can't afford a series X. Not to mention when gen 9 layers were initially released the series S kept up fine. I think its a bit harsh to say that people "Went cheap" as some people may not have had a choice. I'm disappointed I can't run those layers especially when it was initially alluded to you would be able too. But its hardly my fault for not being able to shell out £500.

Im not saying Series S should be on Par I just wish we'd had a little more clarity on the situation from DTG which I don't think is unfair to ask as it was an initial selling point for the route.

 

To be fair, even DTG can’t shovel 10lbs of s*** into a 5lb bag. If the console isn’t up to it it isn’t up to it. No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that sadly.

I do agree, however, that there is seemingly room to significantly optimise the way this game runs.

 

You are spot on and the correct action for this one is actually wait for the sale much later on for the game to which the bugs are ironed out then buy it.

 

JD, I 100% understand why you have had to be selective on the layers and I did buy a series S knowing it may well have less layers than what I get on my PC but personally I would prefer just to have the 158 layer with the 801, 66 and FS as the bases. I only say this as the 158 adds the most gameplay (and AI if you don't drive it) compared to the others which are AI only or a couple of player services. Is this something which could be adjusted, so that the 158 is put in and the AI only layers taken out. Obviously there could be something more technical that both of us don't understand. Not angry about it and it isn't going to affect my enjoyment of the route but it would bolster immersion them being there.

Edit: Just reread the title and had a good laugh.

 

agree 100% and i second everything you've said above here!

 

I guess with age and experience one starts to understand that nothing is gained from day one purchases anymore. Cyberpunk was a colossal mess at launch. I have a complete game now that works mostly well and got it for half price. What did I lose? Same goes for TSW. Although if it becomes an annual release you may find out that it's obsolete before you've chosen the right sale / level of patching that you're willing to put up with.

 

This might technically be against Microsoft rules because from what I remember they require feature parity between S and X versions (meaning the S version is allowed to run with lower graphics settings but all gameplay content and features must be the same). I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s their rules.

(I say this delicately because I don’t want DTG to turn around and remove stuff from the X to make it work better on the S)

 

I don't think anyone who bought a Series S compared specs or did any research before purchase.

I don't know, I did and thought there may be problems so waited a bit longer to get the Series X.

I always thought the way Microsoft advertised it was poor and misleading to begin with. It's not quite a 9th gen, but the next best thing to one. But they did make it seem that it would be on par with the Series X.

 

I feel they should have gone the PS5 route and just made a digital only Series X and sold it for $50 less. I bet they figured they'd go for the super casual gamer market which I guess worked fine for the first little while when we had a lot of crossover gen games. But the Series S is now showing its age already with the latest and greatest titles (although I could be wrong on that. I have no idea how Starfield performs and how Forza Motorsport will show on it).

 

I definitely did my research and knew what I was getting. Its nice and small and was great to go too and from Uni especially at the price point. Its only with the SEHS dlc that layers have become a serious issue really.

I'd like to upgrade at some stage don't get me wrong but the few years I've had it, its done alright

 

This - the fault lies solely at Microsoft’s door. The S was a good concept but they made the fatal error of skimping on RAM, which basically kills any hope of it as a true 1080p version of the X. As someone said, gen 8.5 at best.

 

Selectable layers (yes I said it) would resolve the problem here for series S as we could get rid of the static AI and just have 158 layers to try and maintain the stability. At least we can give it a go though with the full thing.

 

I'm glad I recently upgraded my Series S to a Series X. The routes on TSW3 got patched to a pretty decent state but I knew the low ram was always going to stop the game really peformoring to what it could do. There is a big boost in performance on the Series X. I also have a PS5 digital and would recommed this a the cheapest way to get into proper 9th Gen. There are also the cool dualsense features for TSW4 and the auido system always outputs unreal engine games better on the Playstation than the Xbox. It can take a while for DTG to patch out the snap, crackle and pop in the audio at launch on Xbox.

 

How weird is that. My copy of Cyberpunk was quite literally posted thru our letterbox this morning and my first thought was how much I'd saved by simply waiting 'til it was 100% fixed. A £9.03 (which included an Amazon promo discount) bargain....and lots of free goodies in the box as well

 

Thank you for clearing that up. At least everybody knows where we stand and I am happy for the thread to be closed.

 

This is why you never buy a diet spec console, because this type of drama happens lol, always buy the full fat version people, it always makes more sense in the end......

 

I think Microsoft scrapped their parity clause when they lost millions of dollars by not allowing Baldur's Gate 3 to drop the split screen mode from the Series S version.

 

Will this also apply to NYT?

 

Oh wow very good deal! You will enjoy it especially after this latest patch. It just tightened things up quite a bit from the last massive major patch. I still haven't finished it. Lots of content and the graphics detail is insanely good.

 

Remind me again, how well did the Xbox One X work out for those who decided on a "full fat" gen8 console?