Hi I just recently got a brand new PC and something weird is going on with TSC. The computer has the following specs: Asus B650M-Plus TUF AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Corsair iCUE H100i RGB Elite 240mm Kingston Fury Renegade 2TB Kingston Fury Beast 16GB DDR5-6000 Asus Geforce® RTX 4070 OC 12GB ProArt Running a stresstest in cinebench pushes the cpu temperature to 80 C and running other new games gives max temperatures around 75.However when I run good old TSC the temperature spikes to 80 just in the menu! ( ) and after just 2 minutes of play we are at 89 C and the CPU starts to thermal throttle itself ( ). The cooling system is also going full power to try and keep the CPU working and I'm afraid to keep it running like this for too long. I sure hope someone has a solution or explanation for this.
I would wonder first if the cooler is properly set on the CPU, and if the case fans are all plugged in and going (and blowing in the right direction). Second, is the BIOS overvolting the CPU? ASUS motherboards have been overly generous with the volts sometimes. Maybe check if the BIOS is current at least.
Use V-Sync. Limit your graphics settings to match your PC. Now, how to use V-Sync? Well, force it using nVidia control panel.
I appreciate you trying to help but as I wrote in the OP it's not cooling. 80 C is fine for a full 100 % load stresstest and all new demanding games never gets that high. TSC goes over 80 in the menu! It's doing something weird with this CPU. Other "old" games I have are running at temps around 50. Please look at the screenshots. Also it has nothing to do with FPS. I have tried locking FPS.
Yes, that's why the first thing I wondered is whether the cooler is set correctly on the CPU. Not flush and/or poorly applied thermal paste means poor cooling. If you bought a pre-built system, which it sounds like, it may have been assembled with more speed than care for the details.
Sorry. English is not my first language. When I wrote "It's not cooling". I meant that it's not cooling that the problem It's cooling fine! It never goes high in any other games. (50-70 max) Apparently it's a problem with TSC and AMD X3D cpus according to people on steam forums where it's been discussed a few times now. Any chance a developer ever stops by here and they could explain what's going on or give a some sort of workaround or do I have to submit a ticket? It's apparently pretty easy to replicate since it happens on every Ryzen 3D.
No problem, it could have been my comprehension rather than your English. Dovetail is a constant presence on the forums, but it's the holiday break now, so we can't count on seeing them again until the new year. However, the first thing they'll say is to submit a ticket, so you may as well get that out of the way.
I have an AMD Ryzen 9 7950x and running 64bit the temp instantly jumps to 89c the cooling fans are running at max, It is hammering the single core of these new processors and forgetting the rest. My solution is to run the game in the new DX12 Experimental version and now my temps are around 60 to 65c while get 60 to 90 fps... This work's for me
AMD 7800x3D over here, and exact same issue. The CPU doesn't have a cooling issue, never goes above 65 with any other game, even during the heatwave we had in the summer. My normal operating temperatures at idle are 28C, and most games don't even push it up to 55. TSC makes it jump up instantly to 80C (what I have my thermal limit set to in the BIOS), and stay there just sat on the main menu. Sadly the DX12 option makes no difference for me. This is what the resource usage looks like, sat on the main menu of TSC, doing absolutely nothing. CPU is running at 80C, thermal throttling itself to not go over my limit, fans running at 100%. This is with literally no DLC installed whatsoever, so it is literally just the main menu. It happes on 32 bit, 64 bit and 64 bit DX12. Settings changing make zero difference, and I can cap my FPS to literally 1 FPS, and it still does it as soon as the game boots up.
Once again you are trying to derail another thread with information which is irrelevant to to the post. Just because some game works on your machine has no bearing to what the OPs problem is.
I gave this response on the Steam Forums - It may NOT work but might be worth checking as it involves very little time and won't damage your PC. Just a thought That CPU has 8 cores and 16 threads and in some instances, games with old code (TSC) can experience thread collisions, and that MAY result in the CPU working harder and hence increasing the temperature. Below applies to Windows 10. Might be useful - via task manager - setting it so that TSC only uses 4 cores and 0 threads. Task manager: Set Affinity to cores 0,1,2,3 only and also set CPU priority to railworks64.exe. (High priority - above normal or similar) (Should work in Windows 11 but Google to be sure) If this doesn't lower the temperature - please ignore. When using Task Manager this has to be done each time you boot your PC. Note: I use Process Lasso (Free and paid versions Win10/11) to set these options automatically and they can also be done manually with some PC knowledge.
Just tried this, unfortunately didn't work. None of them made a difference, even running on a single core still has it at 80C. Thank you for the suggestion though, I'm honestly at an absolute loss as to what could be causing this.
AMD chips are designed to run hot https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/the-load-of-all-4-cpu-cores-always-is-almost-100.77461/
When they are doing something computational, yes. Not when they are sat on the main menu, with nothing happening. It instantly hits the thermal limit, while it is doing nothing. It's sat on the main menu on minimum settings.
Hi. OP here. Thanks for all the suggestions. Unfortunately running the DX12 version don't help the problem. I have also tried changing core affinity and various other suggestions from elsewhere. I do have a temporary solution that I'm using right now but I sure hope the developers can fix this in a future update. The temporary solution is to run a older version of train simulator. More specifically the 72.3b version which is the latest before the big upgrade. Using this version I get max temperatures of 60 even running hour long sessions. You can look at this thread here on the forums to learn how to install older versions from steam https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...ly-install-old-ts-versions-next-to-tsc.71041/ Maybe this information can help the developers?
None of the settings have any affect on the temperature. You can stick it on minimum settings, lowest resolution and locked to 1fps. It will still increase temperature to max as soon as it is launched.
Minimum Settings is going to work the CPU harder as it can generate more frames to send to the GPU quicker. What happens when you actually run a route, does the CPU load drop?
Spikee, both AMD and Menus may be important. When I played about two weeks ago on my AMD laptop, I noticed two things: While playing, FPSLimit only applied when driving. Upon pressing pause, the game rendered as much as it could. Makes me think it's actually limiting simulation frames, not graphics. (Given it's tearing, too, I still insist it's an inferior solution to proper v-sync, which works when forced by Nvidia.) When starting a scenario, the game was throttled, which was then lifted. (with and without the limit setting) When using my docking station a couple months ago with my Intel-Nvidia desktop, with which there is no v-sync, I noticed that my fans were working hard already in the menus.
Settings have no affect on temperature. Maximum, minimum, anything in between. Always maximum allowed temperature. It does it from the minute the application launches, to the minute the application closes. The CPU load isn't actually all that high, there is just something messed up in TSC's coding that is spiking the temperature insanely. Something which no other program I've ever used is doing.
Then let's hope this gets sorted for AMD users, as said I have no issues here. FPSLimit works, and when minimized I let Nvidia driver throttle TSC down to 20FPS. (without it, my fans start running so FPSLimit really seems to only work in Drive mode) As for the menu itself, you can notice a difference between v72.3b and the latest version. In v72, the menu animations were quite jerky and stuttering, and they are smooth now. Haven't checked, but yes it could be FPS is not capped when in the menu. But then that menu system will probably a thing of the past soon, and apart from that I don't spend much time in the menu.
Even with FPS capped to 1-30FPS the menu still puts it up to max temperature. I don't know what the hell they have done with it, I've never seen any other program perform like this.
Just to contribute some possibly useful data, my PC is around 5 years old. Basic specs are a Ryzen 7 3800X (up to 4.6GHz overclock) with a liquid cooler (can't remember the brand), 32Gb RAM and RTX 2080 Super 8Gb graphics. I'm running the latest public beta version of TS classic (76.3a) and I grabbed the following screens with just TSC, Steam, Ryzen Master and Firefox (with a lot of tabs open) running in the background. I'm not seeing anything that looks amiss with temperatures after a quick test: On the main menu temperature goes from low 30s to 50ish and stays there: On clicking drive, the temperature jumps to 60 and stays there once the menu has loaded: In game, the temperature fluctuates between 60 and 65 celsius but never goes above 65:
My test scenario was one I built myself, featuring the ATS Class 185 and starting with a busy scene at Leeds on the DTG Huddersfield Line, which I figured would be quite demanding.
Yeah it didn't use to do it on my Ryzen 5600x either. But when I swapped to a Ryzen 7000 chip (7800x3D) and TSC got updated last year it started doing it. So something in TSC is messed and is causing issues on Ryzen 7000 series chips. As an above poster said, it's only on the builds of TSC since they started doing their "overhaul".
Something's definitely up there - sadly it's way beyond my technical knowledge to even guess at the reason, but it seems like we can at least be sure it's a real problem and that it can be narrowed down to specific processor types, which hopefully means it gets fixed. I really hope the core overhaul of TSC is ultimately a success, as TrainSim-Steve has said it's basically vital for long term sustainability.
Settings do affect Temperature, They affect the Load on the CPU and the Load on the CPU affects Temperature. i still recon theirs something up with your CPU, Temperature should rise that fast with no load on the CPU as your screen shot suggests. If it was a purely AMD issue we would expect to see it on more that just the one CPU type as they all use the same architecture. Have you tried running it with no OC on the CPU? Additionally could try using the NVidia control panel to force a FPS limit for the program since it sounds like TSC's FPS Limit doesn't apply to menus.
That could point to the vintage Scaleform plugin causing the issues for AMD then. I'm pretty sure DTG will get rid of this obsolete Flash-based plugin soon. Same architecture does not mean same chip technology (nm). Like I said, my CPU stays at 50°C.
I had problems before in TSW with my Ryzen 7 3700x but a new liquid cooler has solved this issue! A good cooling system that i have is around 100 euro not realy expensive anymore. I have one from Cooler Master with nice LED as well.
Sorry i used the wrong word, I ment that i would expect similar issues with other of the Ryzen 7000 family. but ive not seen anyone else having any issues with it.
No, the settings do NOT affect temperature in this situation. That is what I am trying to say lol. It doesn't matter what settings TSC has, it is always running at maximum permitted temperature from the moment the game is launched, to the moment it closes. Minimum, or maximum settings makes no difference. TSC's FPS limit does apply to menus, set it to 1FPS, and you'll notice it takes ages to move the mouse, or for any of the animations to play. There is nothing wrong with my CPU, it doesn't do it with any other program or utility, and I've been using it extensively for 8 months now. It works as expected in everything else. As for other users, the OP above has the same issue, and I've seen at least two others in various reddit/steam/forum posts with 7000 series chips having this issue with TSC. The issue is 100% with something TSC is doing, as the OP said, if you roll back to the TSC version before the "big update" last year it runs fine on our CPUs.
I'm pretty sure the older total war games (Shogun 2 etc) use scaleform for their in game menus, and there is no issue with them.
Maybe. But there's a difference visible in the menu animation since the core update. Of course, I don't know. Nothing wrong on my end, so I can't test any workarounds.
Ok just to rule out then, Can you please put an FPS Cap on the program through NVidia control panel (or whatever the AMD equvilant is if you have an AMD GPU). This will help determine if the menu is running away with frames resulting in the high CPU Temp.
FWIW, I’m pleased to have stumbled across this thread, I’ve a Ryzen 7800x3D, and don’t play TSC as much as I once did, but last time I started it up, full fans on, a right racket! Both the old 64 bit and the DX12 version the same. Game broadly runs ok (as it should with that CPU and a GTX3080ti!), but I can’t be doing with the noise, so it stays off, which is a shame. Hopefully one of the re-engineering team appear soon with an update (or at least an acknowledgement of the issues….)
That pretty much confirms it's not a CPU issue, seems to be something to do with TSC, and probably the the new memory feature of the x3D chips.
Just to update on this as it seems to have gone quiet, I've logged a support ticket now, but my issues seems to be GPU related. Just using my own route, and an empty part of it, I see CPU usage at 11%, but GPU usage at 99%. A similar scene on a career scenario on Albula Line. 14% CPU, 98% GPU and fans going mad. TSW4 at Preston on Ultra has low CPU usage and 72% GPU for comparison. So I'm not sure whether my issue is the same as above, or something else now. Either way TSC is unplayable due to the general racket from my PC!
Hi Matt. OP here. It's not GPU related. You get the same result if you cap your FPS. My CPU usage also shows 10 % which is part of the problem. There is no reason temperatures should be this high. Il'll update the OP later with current info but for now the only solution is what I wrote earlier: "The temporary solution is to run a older version of train simulator. More specifically the 72.3b version which is the latest before the big upgrade. Using this version I get max temperatures of 60 even running hour long sessions. You can look at this thread here on the forums to learn how to install older versions from steam https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...ly-install-old-ts-versions-next-to-tsc.71041/ " At least with this you can still play the game.
Hi, thanks for the reply - finally got round to following the instructions and after a couple of goes (me not being patient enough with the download I think), I'm back up and running without being deafened! So many thanks for your help. Feels like its all gone a bit quiet on TSC onward development at the min tbh, hopefully it's not completely stalled. Ta again!
I'm happy to announce that this issue has been fixed under yesterday's patch (Train Simulator Classic Update – May 21st, 2024). One of the patch notes highlights this issue: "The FPS limit now defaults to 60fps (as opposed to 30fps). This limit is now enforced during menus and pause screens in all cases (no matter what command line option is used) to reduce uncapped frame rates and excessive CPU usage whilst browsing the menus, especially with some Ryzen CPUs." It shows that there was indeed a heating issue. I was having the same issue on my 7800x3D. but I can confirm that the issue has been resolved! Link to the thread: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...classic-2024-patch-notes-21st-may-2024.81593/
