Upcoming Release Db Br 101 ‘expert’ - Coming Soon!

36euro??? Are you crazy or what?!
People they only need the steurwagen and did not use this whole expert thing have the pay this bizar amount!

And for 2 routes only timetable runs...

 

this should be £20 max… locos are already overpriced at £13
but 30 quid just to press some extra buttons seems a bit of a stretch. and that’s all it is to me, i appreciate a lot of people want a full immersive experience but i just wanna drive trains without too much hassle

 

£29.99

I'm not looking forward to future DLC pricing if people actually buy this thing.

Are we going to have £49.99 Rivet Games routes next?

 

You have no change to drive the steuerwagen without all this expert LOVE and than you pay way to much is my opion!

 

"Of course, players will also be able to utilise the locomotive on any Germany route Add-on in Free Roam and neither of the above routes are a requirement to do this."

This is always an annoying message, but even more so at £30.

 

Free roam is a complete mess and is not a good selling point. Its nothing more than place a train a run from a to b nothing thats come near the timetable runs!

 

Yeah, free roam isn't even 1% as good as timetable mode. There are so many timetables that this train could include in.

Also, at £30, an ARKimmbz would have been nice, for a more complete train.

 

Compared to the low effort buggy copypaste Skyhook SR 158, this should be sold at €40 minimum.

You are getting a real locomotive simulation plus cab car, different from all the rest here!

Ask yourself how greedy you are, wanting everything for a few pennies. Just start making the locos yourself then.

Can't afford it, bad luck for you then. Simple as that. No one cares really.

I might complain why a Ferrari is more expensive than a Kia!

This whining about prices is just utterly ridiculous.

 

Perhaps a cheaper option with just the Bpmmdzf and the White 101, without the expert features would have been an idea.

 

Looking forward to it, as long as it lives up to expectations on stream tomorrowWednesday, I will buy it for £30

Hope to see more expert locos for other countries as well in the future, I wouldn't mind paying similar price for a class 91, or some UK freight locos

 

make all Routes with the 101 Timetable to remove the old dlc then DTG

 

A single Loco DLC for the same cost as an entire Route, what are you guys doing?!?

 

Fair that's not the point! If they offer this whole expert mode separate its fair but you have no choice. For me i will buy it but for people with less knowledge it's not so fair i think!

 

30 quid. You guys have got to be having a laugh.

Will be lucky to sell a couple of hundred copies at that price. TSW pricing itself out of the market if that's the future trend. I could accept £20 as an absolute stretch for the extra features and cab car or £30 if it came with a new route but no, just no.

I will keep my money for TSC or TSW5 when it comes out and pick this up when you are discounting it to £10 in a Steam sale because no one is buying it. Outrageous.

 

That price is an insult imo

 

HOW MUCH

 

What expert features?
Working primary and secondary suspension throughout, all springs wound the correct way?
Adjustable driver's seat?
No dead screens whatsoever?
Faultless implementation of Indusi, LZB and any other safety system?
Correct cab occlusion of weather effects, ambient light and exterior sounds?
Windows, doors that all open into modeled engine room?

Let's wait and see ....

 

Fair enough the whole blog post says nothing...

 

just gonna put this here
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/enough-is-enough.72535/

 

You'd rather they charged you more money?

 

yeah, keep your money for TSC, where the IC cabcar also costs the same, comes without a loco and a terrible model and the most basic functions compared to this. . Not to mention all the other "expert" TSC DLC in excatly this price range or more

https://www.3dzug.de/product_info.php?language=de&info=p574_intercity-mod.html

 

If you don't want to pay for good work, someday your own work will not be paid correctly. Think about that.

I've paid more for aeroplanes in flightsims. The effort that went into this loco is way beyond what is in the overpriced SR 158, carrying over old bugs and featuring a dead "PIS advance" button. No destination to be set, grand - why have Good work must be paid - else there'll be no more good products.

Yes I'd pay more, so I am not complaining and the price they're charging is absolutely fair if you put things into relation.

And by the way, I'm also paying even for free stuff. Donated the TSC Harznetz 2000 team a nice monetary appreciation, because they deserved it by creating one of the best routes in TSC ever, featuring mainline action, scenic branch lines and even a narrow gauge steam section. And detailed visuals that blow everything TSW out of the water. toms87 Well "zusammengestümpert", referring to that moronic comment you once got

 

Too true. And I'm now starting to see the boycott thread in a new light.
This is one item I will definitely not be buying. If others want to part with their money, fair does each to their own but this crosses my personal red line for a train DLC by a considerable amount.

 

Also, where is all the "we want the most realism and are ready to pay more for it" talk gone?

 

Exactly what I was expecting, though I was hoping it would be less. Not denying it’s made me think twice. But it does seem to have a lot of extra functionality and it‘ll likely be good quality being TSG.

I‘ll reserve judgment until after the stream as the article really only mentions a lot of switches.

I hope DTG have actually put some thought into this preview rather than the normal haphazard approach.

It‘ll probably be the opinion of the driver that persuades me. The 101 is my favourite DLC currently. So despite the price, I probably still want it.

 

I won't pay outrageous prices over there either. But I happen to have picked up some very nice Bossman and Victory steam locos plus several AP products for far less than that. Ultimately it's a bunch of pixels on a flat screen monitor not a real model.

 

I will buy it on sales

 

I would understand if its like 10 bucks more than normal Tsw4 loco dlcs, but this is near double!!
I know expert features are complicated etc, and i would understand the price if its a complete new loco we dont have in Tsw but this is just too much for a more difficult to drive loco i already have with one new cab car.
Especially if this cab car is something we should have got with the old 101 as this isnt a complete IC without the cab car.

 

Apart from the opportunity to drive this locomotive as an expert. How does this differ from the original TSW2 DB BR 101?

 

I think £30/€35 is more than enough.
A standard loco DLC is £13/€16 - this is over 2× that.

I don't think £35/€40 is, in any way shape or form, tolerable and I wouldn't even argue the real price is.

A full route - with at least one train, a full timetable and numerous miles of track and scenery - costs £30/€35.

This add-on may be detailed, but:
- The 101 is simply a remake
- The coaches will be the same
- The Cab Car is new (that's not worth 30 quid.)
- There are no new services at all (based on the article, there are less.)
- There are 3 new scenarios... Yes, that's it.

Wanting to pay more than you are asked to for a video-game DLC is strange in itself, but especially not in this case.

 

Tsg probably wants to be compensated fairly for the amount of effort they put into this. They don't really earn much after you take into account all the costs (licensing, cut to focus and dtg, using the dev tools, platform costs, etc). It's basically study level. If you think it's outrageous, look at flight sim

 

Study level, more features, cab car, multiple variants. Probably cost twice as much to develop which is why it's 2x the price lol

 

A remake? You know that the base of simulation is simulating? Replicating prototypical logic in SimuGraph? Not a simple 3D model, but how its wired. It'll be a real simulation in an old shell, the 101 body.

All I'm saying is if people want this for the price of a cheap dinner and a beer, they have no idea of the work to setup a complex simulation. This may be the thing I've waited for since CSX HH, a true next level sim, not DMUs with freezing gauge glass and no exhaust.

The price is more than justified.

In the end, you get what you're willing to pay for. Want to pay less, get less. And continue dreaming of long routes and better locos... good night then. You think Maik or Matt are greedy millionaires - or Focus shareholders with their almost worthless shares, crawling on the floor for almost a year now?

Ferrari > Kia

Maybe Maik will decide to produce cheap stuff for low price and sell it to the masses. I think this is an experiment if the game will have demand for realistic simulation, or stay a more arcadey game where this don't work and that don't work and this is broken and that can't be done.... and so on.

I just don't like the "everything must be cheap" stance because it all comes back to you eventually. "Sorry, we're firing you because someone else is working for less money!"

It's too expensive for you - don't buy it. Discussing the price won't change it.

 

The costs you list would apply to every 3rd-Party DLC apart from IOW2022.

And, two wrongs don't make a right. We shouldn't be using FS as a benchmark here.

 

Their choice, ultimately and most third parties are probably doing this as a part time job outside their main employment.
I'm reminded of the old estate agents saying to over eager house sellers, "Just because you think it's worth £200k, doesn't mean to say you'll get £200k."

 

A remake in the sense that it is still a 101, doing the same (well, less) services, and that it will be the same to the vast number of players who don't fancy going through a driver training course to figure the thing out.

 

Variants in like another livery you can download in creators club or enhancement packs for free?

 

But you don't get study level.

 

36€
That's exaggerated

But somehow also understandable.

But hopefully this time there are not the mistakes that the wagons and the control cars do not work in the fortmations designer..

 

Looks good, along with the new ICE 1 Mod V2.0. this will make a fine set
The only thing that’s a little shame is the small amount of routes. I would have loved to have at least KWG to really use the LZB and maybe HBL since it only has two services.
But the coolest thing would have been a modern day Linke Rheinstrecke timetable with this loco. Maybe one day..

Regarding the price: Yes, it’s a lot. But on the other hand you also GET a lot. If this is really what it sounds like in this article then we will have a completely new category of rolling stock for this game.
And I fear the price is also a simple result of the prices apart from the Sim. I mean: the petrol prices are also insane, and I do have the feeling I have more of my 35€ by buying this than wasting it in a few days (although it’s necessary)

 

And if i dont want study level, but only the cab car? i dont think one cab car is worth 36 bucks

 

The price (really high) is fine for me.
However, as I have already written in a post and in a discussion other than this one, before purchasing this addon I need to know what will happen on August 20th.

 

I'm really looking forward to the release!!! I have high expectations for this release. I'm sure that this product will be of high quality and the price will justify itself.
I want to say to those who are not satisfied that if all the functions for this locomotive that were promised by the developer are implemented, then the price set for it by general standards is not so high. In most simulators, the prices for similar development are much higher.

 

Spot on. People that don't want to pay for quality deserve no quality.

 

This reminds me of the ATS 745 debacle

 

Comparing something like this to a regular loco DLC is a bit pointless as they're not aimed at the same market.

This is a specialist product (no doubt expected to sell in far smaller quantities than the original 101), for people who want to go the extra mile in their simulation, the equivalent of a premium PMDG or Fenix flight simulation product (for those who are au fait with such things).

The price (whether you think it is right or wrong) is a reflection of that and a trial to see if the aforementioned market exists - and I'm happy for DTG/TSG/any third party to try different things to see what flies and what doesn't. It's ultimately their financial risk, not ours.

Anyone extrapolating from this to any supposed price increase of TSW5/future DLC should probably take a step back, honestly - this is an experiment, as DTG explains in the article. This is not intended to be a reflection of future standard DLC pricing strategy.

Having said that - I think this specific DLC will prove to be a real issue further down the line regarding layering into future routes. How will that be managed?

Will the Expert 101 layer in by default as it has the more robust level of content including the cab car and extra livery, thereby freezing out owners of the original DLC (that don't feel the need to pay the extra for the new features)?

Or will it be a one-and-done with future routebuilders choosing to include the original 101 as it will almost certainly have a higher level of ownership?

Personally, I won't be picking this one up on release as the existing complexity of loco DLC is 'advanced' enough already for my liking (steam locos aside). I'm also taking a wait-and-see approach to the route layering issue noted above. I would like to have the new livery and cab car, but that for me is a £8 add-on (at current complexity levels), not £30. But if it's what you're looking for, go right ahead and enjoy the heck out of it.

 

This price is too extreme , it's okay to buy routes for that pricing but not this train DLC

 

Yes, of course the price seems a bit high, but:
You should also consider how much time and work went into development. All recordings etc. had to be redone. Developing all the systems in such detail. This requires an enormous amount of work. I'm happy to pay this price if everything works as described.

 

Well in that case they don't need to buy it if they don't want it. Problem solved. Why is it that as opposed to TSC, everyone here thinks they need to buy the latest DLC? Maybe it's just not meant for you.

It's an offer, a loco with a level of detail unseen in TSW. Why the hell should it be cheap? Again - should a Ferrari cost the same as a Kia? And if so, do you think it would still be a Ferrari? If in your company someone only works 4 hours a day and gets paid the same as you, working overtime maybe, wouldn't you complain to your boss he should pay you more?

All I'm seeing is people are saying we don't want that complex stuff, we're ok with blank displays, fake PZB mode switches and dead circuit breakers. Give us a simple thing to drive that looks neat in UE. Oh wait, if you make it as cheap as the other simplified locos, we'll take it...

In the end, the customers will decide. I'm giving my opinion, but everyone can do as they please. Maybe this level of complexity will be - not economically viable for TSW, just like long and detailed routes, because customers are simply not willing to pay the price that developing content for a niche game requires to survive and make a living from it. This experiment will show.

Maik Goltz Kudos to you - but maybe this game doesn't deserve your time and effort. People prefer cheap DigitalTrainModel like stuff. Buying from temu without seeing what they're doing, supporting modern slavery which will soon bite them in the back because nobody will pay for their work anymore, as stuff is produced sooo much cheaper in the far east.

I think there's a conflict between gamers and simmers here, and TSW still doesn't know what type of game it wants to be, which is reflecting in the discussion. One thing is sure though - it can't be all at the same time.

Again, for a true simulation of a 101, which was unloved when it came, now being withdrawn from service IRL, a multi-purpose loco that has now after its 30+ years of service become an icon (how time flies...), the price is more than fair imho. For those like me that appreciate it. Will bring me back to TSW for a while.