I have recently found out that rain and snow showers no longer work reliably on AP Weather 2.0 (See the note on their own webpage). They claim that this follows a DTG update and won't be solved unless DTG issue a further update! Surely it is for the 3rd party developer to investigate the matter and come up with a solution? As they are not pursuing it themselves does anyone have any idea what is causing this and how it could be addressed? The way AP are treating (or rather not dealing with this matter) makes me carefully consider future purchases. Even unpaid modders often take it upon themselves to update their packs to work with the latest developer changes!
Well, I think you can safely assume that the third party developer you refer to has investigated the matter and cannot come up with a solution. There are two points to this. You need to consider whether the update from Dovetail was deliberate or accidental. There have been a few recent changes in scripting arrangements at Dovetail to make scripting more efficient (less memory-hungry) and this may have affected some scripts which used un-supported features which have now been deliberately eliminated. That may well be that this is what has occurred in this case, and there might actually be no solution. Secondly, is it ethical to sell a product known to be broken? I would say definitely not, but at least they are up front about the issue. In fact, I think they overstate the problem. It doesn't break the product altogether, and it doesn't seem to affect it at all in the way I use it. My only use is random weather generation and although I understand lightning is the key feature affected, I do see occasional flashes of lightning in poor weather. John
700045, thanks for your thoughts. Deliberate or accidental did cross my mind but I decided not to go there.lol I am not saying that the DTG change didn't break the SWEP 2 pack but surely it is down to AP to work on finding a solution: why would they expect DTG to do this....its not their product?. Have they spoken to DTG I wonder, or are relations that bad! My point is their approach of deliberately washing their hands of this is an inappropriate response when the product is still on sale (despite their disclaimer). I would have said "we are doing our best to identify the cause and provide a solution" . I agree though that not much seems to be affected.
Yes, and DTG produced another update of the core that fixed the problem but never released it outside of the most recent beta which played havoc with signalling on many routes!
Oh great, I've not long finished trimming my routes and scenarios so I can ensure everything I have uses the SWEP 2.0 pack and now it's broken.
My understanding is that it is only partly broken. Apparently scenarios that use showers (rain or snow) can be affected. However, we bought this product in good faith and seeing that SWEP 2 weather was such a significant update why on earth aren't AP and DTG talking together about resolving this? If it can't be fixed so be it, but why aren't any attempts being made to resolve this? AP and DTG have I am sure both boosted each other's sales so a little co operation and positivism wouldn't seem too much to ask.
It appears that DTG has little time to acknowledge the core game issues induced by the last big update, let alone provide a roadmap to even fix them, if they ever will. With all communication as to the current status or future of TSC going dark are we to assume that this is as good as it gets? The only comment on the status of TSC recently was an offhand comment during a stream of a status update for TSW. "Ticking along very well" was all that was said.
I think you are right, however, it was only a short time ago that DTG were talking of 'unleashing the power of Train Simulator Classic' Some improvements seemed to have been made and then some more bugs were introduced. I just wish DTG would help fix this and then leave TSC well alone. Ultimately though it is, in my opinion, up to AP not DTG to resolve this.
I agree to a point. DTG should have provided a beta copy of updated TSC to all 3rd parties to proof their products before releasing it to the public. This would allow for feedback to make any changes to the base code. DTG's testing has always been suspect in my opinion. When locos fall off of turntables and signaling is broken, how can they not catch these glaring errors in alpha testing? One must remember that DTG wants to minimize any competition to TSW5. Make TSC good, just not to good.
I hadn't thought of that...good point. TSW 5 still lags behind TSC in my opinion though. Weather is terrible and routes often too short and currently it seems to have a buggy core. Its all a bit of a dilemma really.
You could install an older version of TSC, which doesn't have the latest introduced bugs. Details here, at the start of the thread. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...ly-install-old-ts-versions-next-to-tsc.71041/
So what if a third party provider said "there will be a problem with this update" should that mean DTG have to start again with the process or don't even release the update?
They would not have to "start over" only just rework the issue. Also this would advise third party that there is an issue and the 3rd party providers would have the opportunity to update their product and provide feedback as to any negative impacts.
I do find it unusual that given AP and DTG work together on TSW and TSC content that AP weren't made aware of the upcoming core changes. That said, a lack of communication is not unique to the Simulation business. I had to put a court ordered costs award of nearly £50k in an escrow account for 5 months because no-one in my accounts team could tell me what our new bank account details were. A very simple issue that a phone call should have resolved but....nope...."nobody knows" was the response for nearly half a year.
It's a fair shout. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes. AP maybe just have too much on the workbench to have addressed it yet. That said, I've not checked my AP account for a few weeks, so an update to the weather pack may have dropped recently.
It's still working for me. Do you own the older version you want to download? I.e. did you buy TSC before the relevant date?
They don't work together. DTG buys the sounds off AP, and implement them into TSW themselves. That's one of the reasons why the trains in TSW with AP sounds still sound terrible. While it would be nice if DTG could say that there are x changes being made to the core that could affect x, it's simply not workable to tell every third party in TS about these things. DTG aren't responsible for what third parties do.
Thanks, I am still looking into this. Yes I have owned the older version for several years now and only want to go back to April of last year. I think the problem I have is related to not being able to view earlier manifest numbers. Could you (or any one else) possibly give me the manifest number for the version BEFORE May 2024. I think I could then get it to download through steam. Unfortunately the AP site makes it quite clear that they are expecting DTG to do this, which, lets face it isnt likely to happen!
out of interest why cant Steam allow access to previous versions or give you the option to refuse an update? I mean even Microsoft allows me to refuse Windows 11 once a week! lol
Because if EVERYONE is playing the Same version of TSC then it is easier to diagnose any faults https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...ly-install-old-ts-versions-next-to-tsc.71041/ Don't bother asking the OP any questions as he has left this forum
Try download_depot 24010 24009 6124394136512064068 (Version 75.8, 15 Nov 2023). This is what I run on.
No I haven't lol. Plus I seem to remember that you were unhappy with Armstrong Powerhouse not giving you the same choice! Many thanks I will use this version
Sorry to be a nuisance. Is there anyway if this version is in a named (different) folder on a different drive that Steam could 'update' and if so is there any way to prevent this from happening?
Steam will not affect any any version of TSC that is not current. You can also copy anything from your main Steam folder to the older one and it will not be updated. I have my main Steam folder on my G drive and my v72 is on my F drive.
I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you're asking how do I stop Steam from updating my older version of TSC, then the answer is that you can't. What you can do is backup the older version folder(s) to a different location on your drive which will be unaffected by any Steam update or file validation.
Problems. I tried this. I copied the Assets and Contents folders only to the new installation (there is a huge amount) and then clicked on railworks64.exe. A dialog box pops up and says "please login to Steam" this is despite the fact the older version is on a different drive. I cannot currently get past this.
I can either start my current Railworks version or the older v72.3 But I still have to log in to Steam before I can start the game.
If you have two installs of the game Steam will only update the current version I have TSC 2024 - like everyone else and TSC 2023 which is never updated even though it is connected to the net.
Steam can only update files it knows it installed. If you have your RailWorks folder in the place Steam installed it and with the same name, it can modify it. You can just change the name to RailWorks 2 (for example) and Steam cannot touch it.
yes i agree, its showing that 2 seperate version numbers now exist. I find it odd though, although not an issue, that you have to be logged into steam nevertheless to get the older version to run
Why is it odd? It is still connected to Steam via the Internet and you only have One version of the Core Steam Files.
yes it seems that I now can (the older version number now shows on start up) . However The AP weather scenario I was testing it on (the one they use to demonstrate the weather pack) now crashes the pc to desktop. More investigation required i think!
