I only just noticed this, but I like how the 395 looks similar to the modern TPE livery. Looks great so far
Mornings and a good morning it is, why, well I’ll stay away from the negativity as I’m feeling a little happier today. So why happier, well I needed cheering up so I jumped on to this from what I posted earlier yesterday morning about PINK. Just a joyful colour so here what’s cheered me up. Still in testing stage. First photo is in new condition but then I took it for a run so the rest of the photos it’s in slightly used condition Eventually it will be heavily weathered as it is a RHTT. This is for the Girls and Ladies out there that often get overlooked in the rail industry. If you like it can be the first all female fictitious TOCs company lol. Ab Fab Freight. So there you go, I hope it cheers your day up, it’s most certainly brightened my morning. I will catch up with you all later. (I know a few have left comments etc). As always let me know what could be done in order for this to look right, come on girls your needed for this one and the boys. I tried to make it look feminine yet have that realistic look most enthusiasts look for. Again I treat them like models so they must be realistic and fun at the same time. Okay as I say I will catch you all soon. Enjoy you day folks it’s Friday TSLP✌
Cheers buddy, it was one of them had one idea but then soon as found the logos I worked it from there. So I’m glad you like as with fictional liveries like this means there not to everyone’s taste. The Doors for example look very bright but they have to be and also have something on to meet the legal requirements set out for those with poor sight. I did read up on what rules and regulations determine how a livery can look. So signs etc. Same as cars,,designers do what they do but then all the tech guys start altering the design to meet the regulatory standards such as impact test. So yes I try add some realism by doing that past research. For the line then it’s a window line (with the green) and at the front it’s not a swooshing line more a flow line as it’s following the contour of the unit design. (Not sure it that’s the technological terminology myself). I can’t remember what I read so I kinda call things I might consider them being. If you like the colours then I can send you the codes. And thank you for doing that, I did try the morning I uploaded the 395 but not sure if I do a link to my TSLP page where all work across 3 accounts are. Them Being Rigsby, Rigsby&Co then BlackstripeTSL or just Blackstripe. I’m completely useless at stuff like that. So by doing this your helping me out massively. I struggle yet give me a Spectrum ZX Sinclair any time (Dizzy I miss you).lol. Nice one JPlayz. If there anything I do in return just let us know mate. TSLP✌
Thanks for this and I may need some assistance with upcoming work if I am safe to add links, I feel I’d get in to trouble so don’t bother. It’s like I was saying to TG08 I know I should but I struggle and can add more workload or pressure which could distract me from making liveries. So if your know you stuff and could help me out with me next upload so I can add a link then that would be awesome. Cheers JPlayz. TSLP✌
Well I am meant to be uploading the class 08 now really. So I was just wondering when I have done that could you some how edit my post on Rail 200 thread and drop the link in where it’s appropriate to the comments. I’m running behind now so I’ll upload it now then I’ll be right back. I just not sure how to do links to me own liveries. It would be far easier for user to have a direct link. But for years haven’t because I don’t believe I can do that side of things. I’m not confident and only learning to add links to some websites as I have. I just haven’t got a clue mate so please if you could help on that front I’d truly be grateful to you. I’ll be back in ten, if I don’t get distracted like last night. Lee✌.
Hey Guys ! i am currently working on a series of tank wagons and am always in doubt about which font is better and most realistic. what would look better now? the thick Rail Alphabet which i usually use for everything or the thinner Standard Font which seems better now
Welcome, One thing I'd recommend is zooming into your reference image as it helps me a lot. As the saying goes "looks can be decieving". JPlayz
yes i do that too when i work on the livery. it's just to get an idea of the placement of the letters. the bold letters look more like the original font that is normally used but it looks weird now when it's that bold. so i'm more concerned with what others think looks better on this specific tanker
Have you spawned it in yet using free roam? That could help if you want to see how the lighting effects the overall colour. I think it looks good so far
It really depends on what your going for. I guess I'd say use Rail Alphabet for the car details and then the company details featured in standard font
To be honest, I'd wait for Rigsby to reply just because he has a lot more experience than me when it comes to liveries.
yes he wanted to message me today he said so I'll wait for that too. but this seemed like a nice opportunity to work together with the people from this forum and to ask things that I doubt myself. I always go for the most realistic and the best looking. but sometimes I get those stupid moments of doubt where public opinion could help me further. in my opinion the black lines are all just a bit too thick but still clearly visible. i'm going to go in free roam and see how that looks. also the colors look a bit off.
I think that the standard font looks better than Rail Alphabet for what you are proposing. I agree in the sense that Rail Alphabet looks too thick/bold for what the reference image shows. I also do technical markings on my liveries too, but I use Rail Alphabet personally. However, seeing that your reference looks more like standard font, then I'd go with that for now. If you change your mind later, then you can change it back to Rail Alphabet. TG08 .
thanks for your opinion ! i definitely agree with you 100%. it is for me also Rail Alphabet normally but as you say standard font would do the job better now. i am going to redo that whole part and also the g1 and ge sticker.
Hello, I’m so glad you have joined us. And what a wonderful addition you are. For the lettering I think you have it bang on. As it’s to light or thin then it may not appear well in certain lighting against a pale background. Yet make them to think then can appear to tight even blurry. So just looking at what you have done then I think you have it just right to be fair. What does it appear like out the LE( Livery Editor)?. I do a lot of testing outside of LE for the very reasons mentioned. If you already do that and these are the reasons why the work is bob on, then it’s a job well done from my perspective. Great stuff. TSLP✌.
Is right, I myself have fallen foul of this many a time. Either due to limited resource material or even the angle of the photo can effect placement of the appearance of fonts etc. Good Call. ✌
Hey I would say it completely depends on the text as I have used standard font for some small details. I just alter its dimensions. Like with this type of font. I used normal fonts but added a few decals for the effect needed. actually looking at that font I’m not sure but you can see what I mean, I just size up the font size needed. We do need more fonts tho. Especially for things like data plates for UK classes in the game. Why because that is a decal need for making it don’t take much creativity as such. I feel with fonts then it’s down to each individual persons take on what looks right and is the best for the Job. Note: My life it’s busy today, if miss anything the please excuse me. It’s all go today. Brilliant stuff chaps. TSLP✌
Don’t be daft I feel fonts etc I do struggle with at times. But I will try help share my thoughts and experiences with what I have learned the past.
Hey I am sorry for late responding. I have sent you a DM and now I’m here trying to catch up but I may have to leave in a minute unfortunately. So again I will have to be quick. What you have said is how I feel about my work, I am not very knowledgeable on certain things which adds doubt if seeking acceptance of accuracy. I fully get where your coming from and why I set up The Works Shed. A relaxed place where anything goes (Forum Permitting). I also have a few personal issues of my own but having those around that may often feel like I do when it comes to work and self doubt having a place one feels at ease with would help in some way. Especially if a user ain’t fully up on Rail information. A lot to understand. Having that information or support is essential. And so hopefully having The Works Shed helps me and others come together to relax and enjoy our passion without the stress and worry that can come with it all. I can’t thank you enough for coming down and I’m sure all the guys here will help you at as much as they have me. Good lads here mate, and your welcomed with open arms. So relax chill and have some fun. I may have to leave you all to it. I will do my best tho to get back to all when I can. Cheers mate. Have a good one chaps. TSLP✌.
this is a great place to come and this community is really one of the better ones, so relaxed and helpful so i like to come here to get advice but also to give although i have to say that i am really new and certainly do not know everything about trains etc but if i really like something i can learn something easily and quickly
Just a quick one. Here is 66 129 “Perky” to accompany 66 069 “Pinky”. But unfortunately I can’t find it to take any pictures in open environment. Could it be the name “Perky”?. Anyway. Here is “Pinky” and “Perky” “Pinky” looks different as been doing some weathering when I can. Okay I’m off, but I just want to say I will set some time aside to catch up with you all. I think I got a little stressed yesterday. And defo need to speak to the Team. Cheers again tho folks. TSLP✌.
as i said your work looks very neat. i love those lines you made on the striping and that logo looks very classy and neat. definitely realistic quality. and your weathering effect is absolutely perfect looking and i would like to learn that too. i made a kind of dirty livery and also tested it on a zacns wagon but in my opinion it can be much better. here is an example of it on the LTE vectron. (this livery will be updated in the future anyway because the red grill is not right, it should have a border line around it)
Hey I’m so sorry for my delay mate. A rush yesterday So yes it’s good to have you here getting on with the lads like. As I say good lads they are. We all have our strengths and so try supporting each other. Because again I felt like you when it came to work and doubts. But no one helped or a thread felt stuffy. So its absolutely fantastic to hear you feel comfortable here. And I can definitely feel by you being here it’s a great addition to those that Visit the The Works Shed. And don’t worry if your new, we all were at some point. TG08 definitely know his stuff about Trains so does Jplayz. Plus you are good at what you do which I am sure we can exchange a Tip or two That’s when I can keep up like. And just want to say I kinda struggle taking information on board so I will try make things easy rather than go of on my world renowned waffles lol. On that note it’s cool to see you here and have fun budddy. Just relax, enjoy. Lee/TSLP✌.
Sure mate when I find time I can show or explain a few things. I did model making as a kid and drawing so learnt how to create weathered looks. There is decals like the shading circle and the squares shading decal, but I am not a fan to be fair. This is because in LE (Livery Editor) using those decals can appear okay, but then testing in light conditions we see horrible results. Be blurring the fine decals under the weathering or leave strip marks. It’s what I found when using those type of decals. So with being new are you aware of the Mastery Reward Decals. If not I will send you some photos of what each DLC will give once passing set challenges. Maybe do 2 scenarios and reach a speed of 80mph. Then you get the rewards. They will most certainly help you be more productive and save you time and unnecessary decals. For the colour of the dark brown then here it’s look ok but in my experience I’m sure they will give you a headache when in the light. Could be wrong so be interesting to see how the shading decals appear. What I do but can be very complicated is work under. So have brown under then the white on top. You can randomly add shading to create the desired effect or even scuffs shape decals. I even use the country shape decals for this effect. Its fine on work like what your doing. But on a more complicated design then it gets very difficult due to overlapping colours. Give it a try and also let me know about the Mastery Rewards. They is some good decals to be found. If you own the DLCs that is. They can help with things like oil spill marks: The second to last one has a wrong blue line. It needed to be re corrected and was for the other photos. I couldn’t get these effects without the Mastery Rewards. Hope this help mate. TSLP✌.
I totally get what you mean and it's true the dark brown looks good here but in game it leans more towards orange. although I have to say on your US loco it looks like most of the rust effect because the loco is a bit older and has worked hard where my modern vectron actually has no rust but real dirt from the track and overhead lines. the rust effect is very realistic on wagons. I already read a post of yours in the decal request thread about these decals. and now I know something about them.. I now own 20 DLCs and have some kilometers on them too! (3333.5) and I've been playing since February but I spend most of my time in livery designer. anyway those decals are very handy and I'm definitely going to do something with them! but they are all great tips that I can definitely use! and that you have to put a white layer over the brown to get a certain effect is absolutely great! i see Alex n Game do that on youtube too but that needs a bit more practice for me to get the effect i want. In my update of the 6193 450 i'm also going to play a bit more with the dirt effect, you can now clearly see which decals i used so hopefully i can cover that even better with the tips you gave me! i really have to say the last picture really looks real! i had to look closely if it was the game! really crazy!! But this definitely helped and if i have any questions i can always ask now i know bro!
Hey everyone, If you haven't already seen, there are a few threads for content from myself, TG08 and Rigsby. So to help with this, I will post the links below: Rail 200 (Rigsby, TG08 and me): https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/rail-200-preparations-and-ideas-for-september.89824/ Rigsby/TSLP (Lee's) Threads: TSLP Updates: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/tslp-liveries-news-updates.73295/ TG08's Threads: Traingeelk08's Creator's Club Releases and Updates: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/traingeek08s-creators-club-releases-updates-thread.71116/ My (JPlayz's) Threads: Creator's Club Content: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/my-creators-club-content.90514/ Train Art: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/train-art-thread.88704/ Take care everyone, JPlayz
Have you ever thought about dimming the decal colours. In the past I will use a mix of decals to create what you see above. This is what I call Weathered because it’s been sat in all weather. So the white is Bird Poop lol. Then where rain runs or builds up with show in more places than others. I also do what I called used. That means is dirty with normal traffic use. You should recognise the First one Look at the 8f here then I’d have to say it’s border line weathered but it’s on operating condition dirt wear and tear. Not abandoned or storage condition. So yes I call this a used look. These are old now but in the past I have changed the colours of the normal shade of left clean and then work on top trying to weather it. Darkening all colours helps when setting shade decals or may feel no need if you can build up dirty areas using other decals from MR. It can help if you getting a orange tint. But there I feel you maybe adding to much colour for the LRV, So I tend to go more towards away from introducing large amounts of colour and move towards lighter sandy colours or grey with a hint of the relative environment. So sandy has a slight golden yellow shade US locos and 70s UK traction will be more darker grimy looking. I Will also fade (Transparency) that colour so it’s not so intense in colour. Small amount of adjustments rather than full on tones as you will get these undesired effects you mention. For decals then you have a few DLCs so have a look for weathered rewards and then if you can’t find any, then I will let you know how I got them and with what DLC. There are a massive help having the mastery reward decals if weathering is your thing. As there are 4 set rust decals with a DLC MR, not sure which one tho. And for miles or clicks then with what I know (Work constraints) you have built up some kilometres there. Especially if you’re in LE as much as am. I’m probably around what 4000 thousand hours across all 3 accounts over a few years period. And around 45 at one point in PSN trophy rankings. Again I’d be higher if I didn’t spend that time on liveries. Alex from YT, yes I know him and have done for a while. We have spoken privately a few times. Very good at what he does, but I have thrown him a tip or two in the past especially when it comes to weathering. He and I not as partners have been playing TSW for some time, hence the old days. We both used like most the gradient decal (Fade) yet I seen the results if using them in the light. They always look good in LE as we know. So that what mostly the point of topic. Personally I don’t like using the gradient decal and because of that work hard to find alternatives. Using Gradient decal can blur work underneath so again I tend to not use and found other methods. Hard but the results are worth 3 or 4 days graft. That meant hours of testing what works what doesn’t. So yes have a mess around a little and then when you find a formula that works then away you go. Each unit with also provide its own challenges as will the livery you choose. I bare all this in mind before approaching a weathered livery. Even consider decal management too, that being all the base work/ then detailing and the logos or lettering. Do you have enough decals to do it all. It may sound a lot but I found taking this approach will serve you well. Get into the good habits of working as again it will serve you well when dealing with more challenging works as you progress. So I will be check on how your getting on. And thanks they do look real, I was in amazement when I first seen them on me IPad. I thought the same as you, and goes to show how well the game looks and having fun with photo mode. I love this photo. I wish I had rolling stock for this. As this is a fictional livery for the F59PHR. So yes just another long waffle from me, but I hope you find some of what I say helpful. I’ll always help when I can and if you have any questions then I’m sure someone will be around to help And no worries Brother✌. Keep safe mate I’ll try catch up soon tho as taking some time away after today. (In the Dog House) lol. TSLP.
Okay this may be a few post but this is to show step by step on how to make a Railway 200 logo. This is how I make mine as we all have our own little way. So I hope the following will help in areas some user may find difficult. Step one. Place one white circle. Full white. Not off white. Step Two: Have a Kit Kat. Just kidding. Step Three. Inner red circle. But make a copy of the circle then change layer to a square. Keep this central to the circle as seen in photo. The Green. Place behind the circles. THIS IS A REFERENCE LINE. Step Four. Make a copy of your a circle and change layer to a half circle and change to red. Place behind circles. Step Five: Copy a half circle and change to white. You may wish you use a different colour for sizing up. Take note of keeping the bottom edge in that Green centre line. Continued.
Step Six. Copy a circle and change to white. Six Plus. Size up. Step Seven. Group and then make Copy. Step Eight. Make a third copy and then line up with that green centre line. Step Nine. Size up so all edge etc fit nicely. Continued……
Step Ten. Then ungroup all 3 groups and then move all the half circle behind there relative circles. You may wish to delete the white circle as if you sized up properly on the half black as seen in the earlier steps. Then it will be fitting to the previous decals. That will be the half white circle that has been moved behind the circles. Step Eleven. Make a reference point as seen with the pink line. Then add a square over the half circles but under the circles. Step Twelve. Copy the white square and then change to red for a BR line. (Making a quick BR Arrow). Step Thirteen. Line up any Text as seen in this step. Take not of the Pink reference lines. Step Fourteen. Placing reference points for lining up low edge of text. And for making the number two. …..Continued…..
Step Fifteen. Start to cover the full circle how you feel fit. Take note of the white lining up with that back green centre line. Step Sixteen. Then size up a square and line up accordingly to the Pink reference lines. Step Seventeen. Then start to line up to how the number two looks. Keep in mind the lower edges meeting up. Step Eighteen and Nineteen. Cover any lose edges and tidy up if needed. ….Not many now.
A quick BR logo. I don’t focus to much on this as it can start looking stuffy when sized down. Step Twenty. Make some reference lines as seen in photo. Helps for lining up later on. So follow Steps 21 to 24 as seen or how you go around this stage/s. ….Continued…. Please take reference from the red line trailing of the circle. I must have deleted it to shorten these post. I will make a separate post later as ref to lining up in these stages.
Actually you may see what I mean in photos 24. Don’t worry it’s here. Step Twenty Five. Marry up the ref points. Step 25+ Make any small alterations. As you will be deleting the top line of the BR Arrow as you have one already in place from previous steps. Deleted BR Arrow line all lined and up. Add TM as seen in the finished product. Fin. You can size up as I will show in a moment. Hope this helps as a close member was seeking some assistance. I haven’t placed this on the Rail 200 Prep thread as it’s tip based material for users that visit The Works Shed. If I have missed anything out I do apologise. Unfortunately I will be away too but I will try answering any questions if you find anything missing or unhelpful. This is just how I make logos and to some it may look complicated with all the lines. Yet they will help anyone wanting to achieve a level of accuracy and authenticity to their work. Bye for now Folks. TSLP✌.
It just goes to show how much effort is needed to make logos sometimes . I think people will appreciate you going leaps and bounds to help them achieve the goal of doing the Rail 200 logo in an accurate manner. TG08 .
Sizing up to what works in a balance sense. In this photo I am re doing work to find a better balance now I have feel for it’s look. So what you see in these photos are NOT the final product. But is used here for user reference purposes. I will make everything twice. (Old Rail 200 on Side B). First liveries made are considered prototypes. This is to get a basic feel for the livery and design. I will look and balance the livery out to bring them together in the most efficient way possible to ensure the livery looks right to the eye. I will work out all the things that my eyes catches. This means it’s odd. The eye don’t like odd or misaligned objects. Ugly. The eye picks up on that. But the eye can miss things if one rushes. So I completely relax when doing work like this. I call it intermittency work because I am working so close to what needs doing. Why I place so much emphasis on accuracy is because it’s challenging yet rewarding at the same time. Hence no enjoyment in challenges then no rewards in life. Enjoy challenges you face, regardless of how difficult some may first appear. The Enjoyment of Livery Editing. Have fun folks. TSLP✌.
Any time my friend, TG08 helped you and so I wanted to try if I could explain something that helps you and others. I know TG08 is a busy man. I have been wanting to do it for some time but worry and all that. But again if it can be freely used and to the right specifications then it’s made as seen no alterations Users like yourself wishing to make a Railway 200 livery but not quite sure what to do about the logo. Again hopefully presenting it as accurate to the original then it will do the logo and owners justice and all those wish to be involved with Railway 200 as a national event for all. So to contribute to this event for all I though I don’t know much but what I feel I am good at I will share for the benefit of others enjoyment. That’s all is important. Fun and Enjoyment. I’ll DM you in min. TSLP✌
Thanks TG08. Just quickly it’s only how I have always worked in the past. I have always been into designing and drawings. Engineering is a big passion of mine. From Space technology to sewer engineering. So things you use in a pan. Teflon is used to slide bridges out over a large space between supporting columns. Good engineering is simply engineering. And that applies to logos in some sense. They are made to, and will go through many different types of styles or colours combinations before a finalised design is accepted. Hence it will to have measurements and references points just as in engineering. So going back to my engineering days of work the problem don’t let the problem work you then look. That’s all. Look. It’s all there because it’s been made by someone and so has specifications. Reverse engineering. Take those specifications and replicate. For me it’s easy to do, I am quite old to fair lol. If this is my experience then I guess you could say I’m just passing on some of that knowledge and experience to others. And I am quite happy to give myself a headache for an hour or two to help others enjoy what I enjoy too. Liveries and sharing Tricks and Tips. The Works Shed Gotto go. Cheers tho TG08. TSLP✌.
