Liveries Tslp Liveries,news,updates.

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    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

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    Where to come for information about TSLP releases and issues with them.
    Here at TSLP liveries is my self and I work hard at re creating these liveries so I do take a lot of pride in my work and want the best for creators club users,,but at times I know with my old work has some faults. So I have created this thread for those with any issues with my work and to allow users to reach out if they have any suggestions on old or future work planned or even assist me as I’m not very good on here until I get use to using it better so please accept my apologies if I get a post wrong.

    I am currently working thought all my old work,,,and I am interested in what users think and what issues that user have with my work so please if anyone who uses or is interested in my work this is where you can get me:)
    Many Thanks TSLP.
     
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    Soon I’ll be posting a list of liveries I have done that I would like to rectify as they are old work and would like to find out what happens and what users get if subscribed to a old livery. As in my first days of starting out on TSW2 I was having issues with save space so at that time I would make a livery say 37 005 for example. Now I made the first original file with a white panel but wanted to do a new one,,,this is when I found out that if I updated a file this was not taking place in replacement of the old upload. So what I would then is upload the first original in the updated livery as a separate file on CC. So TSLP31 was the first file but TSLP31a was the same file but uploaded separately so this causes confusion between files and what users get.


    Some shots of old the first one livery with the second photo below the second the newer as you can tell. Then the newer ones I have done just recently and uploaded but in my hast forgot about the non upload over the old on the system as again I’m working on the work I did for users on TSW2 so I don’t want to forget that old work and those users. Please let me know if you have any of this liveries and if your facing problems with what you get.
     

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    Just about too work on these motors,,,can any let me about the steel blue,,,on 37 501,,and 37 502 is also being worked on.
    I am fixing the rather larger name plate as that is totally wrong. But please let me know if these could be more accurate as I do these for users who look for that in the liveries. IMG_0733.jpeg
    TSLP9, 37 501. “TSM”. Steel Blue. IMG_2620.jpeg
    37 501 in lighting on PS4. IMG_2103.jpeg TSLP10, 37 502,,”BSM” Does it need any improvement?.
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    37 502 again in lighting on PS4.
    Please let me know if what you think. I make these for you the users so want them to be accurate as possible as they can take up to 15 to 20hrs to research and make etc so again don want to find that hard work wasted if they are not correct.
    So again please comment so in that way I can achieve my goal of creating the best of the new old and the odd liveries for TSW.
     
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    This looks stunning! Good job TSL.
     
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    Thank you,,,,that is the old so looking at working on like previously mentioned.
    This is the latest one,,,with blue skirt with a vast improvement on the old as seen in the pics. IMG_2091.jpeg Not to be confused with TSLP9,,,,This is the old version off 37 501 with Blue Skirt,,TSLP9a. Old version. IMG_2092.jpeg
    Again Old version of TSLP9a. IMG_6495.jpeg Newer Version that has been recently posted on CC. New TSLP9a.
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    37 501 “Teesside Steel Master” Blue Skirt. TSLP9a. New available version.
     
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    Hi Rigsby,
    Those 37s look really good! Having seen and photographed both 37501 and 37502 in those liveries, I have to say you have got the colours and layout of the liveries down very well and especially the variations on 37501's liveries. May I say a couple of things: The numbers and BS symbols seem a bit too wide; the nameplates are too big (you mentioned that) and the lettering is slightly too big. I particularly like your representation of the Kingfisher, both in white and colour - very well presented! In all my pics, it appears to be facing to the right, though! If you have pics that show otherwise, ignore my comment and go by them.
    I had considered doing 37501 myself, but since its only the WSR Class 37 thats available in Livery designer and not the TVL 37/5, I didn't bother. What a shame, having the correct model but no access to repaint it!
    Keep up the good work.

    P.S. There is a fix for the class 37 numbers that erases the numbers from the bodyside. Its available on the Train sim Community website.
     
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    Hi Dave Thank you for your comments it’s what I have been looking for because like I have mentioned I do want these to be as accurate as possible and it takes a while to find a good source of information. I will try find the photo I was working off as the kingfisher I might have over looked in which way it is facing,,,I don’t think I’ll be able to share it with you as I don’t t own the rights,,,but I may be able to send a link. I’ll do my best as I do suffer a little with anxiety at times.

    I only tell people that so they don’t think I’m rude if I take awhile to reply. But I really appreciate your comments I’d rather people be honest and open. I wanted to reach out to members like your good self to point out errors before I upload them because I know many members have actually worked on the railways and I’m not what you call a full enthusiast on history of locomotives etc. it’s a mind field lol. I do have a fair bit of understanding as a family member has worked on them since the late 50s and was a controller at Working Bank Quay before being based in Carlisle at DRS Kingsmoore TMD in his later days. So I was brought up with EWS and Rail sector we had a calendar once with all the new liveries and logos,,,even moved a a class 55 at a display at Manchester in the 90s.
    Anyway I waffling on,,,but just a little info about me and why I do fully appreciate your time in viewing my work and commenting.
    I’ll try check that number removal tool but I don’t use any mods as I’m on a simple PS4 and do all my work by eye and hand.
    I wish I had access to better quality systems even a PS5 as I know my work can suffer if I don’t have some good software etc and does slightly get to me after hours of work. But again and sorry to go but this work you see now is from last years as I did take it all down unfortunately when I had a bad attack of anxiety,,and took it all down. So I don’t want to let any of those old user of TSW2 down because that was my humble beginnings and a lot of people sub to my work so I want to give them back my work before hopefully moving on to newer things.
    Here is those motors all updated so maybe those issues you spotted have been rectified.
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    TSLP9.

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    TSLP9a. IMG_6632.jpeg TSLP10. I think on this version the numbers are correct. Let me know if these are better. I know on the 37 501 they would be the same yet they was slight bunched together more than on 37 502.
    Anyway I hope I didn’t go on and I will get back on that information you mentioned and thank you for the comments:)
     
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    Hi Rigsby,
    I appreciate your candid comments - and I'm more impressed with your work considering your tech limitations! Having the game on PC does make things easier, esp with mods.
    I really like your new versions - got to say the first one of 37501 (TSLP9) is spot on! Numbers look great, nameplate looks great! If your source material shows 37502 with wider numbers, go with it. I don't know how easy it is to repaint with PS4, so you will know the limits of both the tech and yourself.
    Good work. I look forward to seeing more...

    Regards,

    Dave
     
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    That thread kinda died...
     
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    Sorry, I don't understand?
     
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    I mean that no updates are posted here when a reskin comes out.
     
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    Ah, I get you now. Sorry, I was a bit slow there. I must say that I can be a bit slow in updating my own thread when it comes to new liveries, so please bear with us creators - we're a cranky bunch! :D
     
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    Hello yes I am so sorry,,,,I’ve been busy with a few things and not to make you feel bad,,,but my sons was involved in a RTA so been busy at home. Again not a pop just the situation as it’s not very good of me to not respond or place work after stating a thread. Plus I am new and get very nervous at the best of time so please excuse that. (Anxiety). Again I let people know it’s a condition not me as a person it’s always got in the way.
    It’s why my work suffers and people think I am rude. Please I don’t want you to feel I am.
    Tbh I’m flattered that for once someone is interested in my work.
    To You and to Dave I feel honoured.
    As Dave mentioned and I support him fully especially looking at his work yes he’s on PC:) and I’m on a simple PS4 but you know the crack your self as you make liveries too and to a high standard so I am sure you will know the amount of time it takes to research and make etc.

    It’s not making the liveries them self either that takes time. Speaking for those that spend hours and hours to get a perfect shot or set up the fantastic scenarios. (I found I was using Amazing a lot and started to sound like Leona Lewis so changed it to fantastic). Placing the work up on CC all takes time.

    I also been working on two locos on TSW4,,plus trying to get my hands on the PS5 after being let down,,dealing with what I would say a painful experience with editing on TSW4,,and feeling slightly stressed my work and not getting the best from the game with not having the PS5. I am also due to have a ECG fitted,,,today.


    So please and to anyone that comes here,,yes I may say things to openly but I thought seeing this has the title with TSLP in it I’d explain a little about the man behind the work not because your here to hear all about me,,,no just that me has the effect on my work and how I conduct myself so as to clear any doubts surrounding who I am and my own thoughts and actions behind my work on a open site.

    So I really appreciate that you have interest in my work,,,please accept my apology and to anyone else that may feel let down.
    I will endeavour to be more active,,,I just didn’t think people would be interested,,,so by doing what you have really shown me that they do.
    I Thank you personally for that.

    So more will be posted soon,,,just bricking it over the hospital:(.

    Until then Take Care Folks.
    TSLP.
     
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    Some quick pictures of A1 Peppercorn Class By Arthur Peppercorn on the PBD “Flying Scotsman”. Trying to replicate the newest steam locomotive to Britains Railway in over 40 odd years since Evening Star and the end of steam passenger service on Britains Railway in 1968, yet in other areas continued into the late 80s. Especially in the early days of failed BR designs in new Diesel traction.

    And also I will place the two locomotives I have done as the blue “Tornado” is on hold,,to the nature of what I feel now as a long user of TSW editing a very un ergonomically thought out,,,very unforgiving and to attempt the complexity of the Lion and Wheel Logo in this state I am not prepared to put myself through,,,my work has slowed down due to issue with hand pain.

    And plus as much as I sound like a big head wanting be the best and have work out early to be number one,,,my thoughts are still and will also be with TSW2 users and uses of my old work as previously stated this is why I have set up this thread.


    So as not to confuse issues this topic will be discussed later on as information is being collected in what state my old liveries that are conflicting are in. And here I’ll on this post just some quick update of what’s in development and what’s out or due out.

    sorry my time is short just been informed I’m off on Holiday,,,the Hospital.
    Gotta go. IMG_6868.jpeg Test paint shot.
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    Working on Logo but halted due to circumstances,,,plus for some reason paint matching seems off to the usual way.
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    Mock of 60163 “Tornado” in Off Apple Green due to depot methods of early workshops. Available under TSLP13. (Above)
    IMG_6916.jpeg 4474 “Victor Wild” In slightly faded Land Rover Deep Bronze,,,Used IE dirty and also Available under TSLP74.

    Thank you,,,more to follow.
     
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    Hello.
    Just a quick update after a period of silence just been busy with the new game and new games system and is why I here today to just explain that over the next few days I will be uploading a few duplicate liveries with past issues onto TSW4 via CC so I can take advantage of this new update of files uploading over old files or update to liveries from TSW4.
    Plus try take advantage of the new decal limit in order update them the way I originally planned them from day one but was held back by those lower decal restraints in TSW2 etc.
    And to find out if these updates from TSW4 have the effect on TSW2 files even tho in my mind I know they should but if so why is this not implemented on TSW2 anyway and for those standalone TSW2 users?.

    Because of this confusion I have built up in my mind a fear of yes updating a TSW2 LPC loco from TSW4 should take effect as LPC on TSW4 is a old DLC but in the old version with new dates of release 26,9,23 say they do not take advantage of the new core features.
    Does that mean updates to files is no and it’s just new existing files with the new core DLCs do, hence take advantage of new game core features?.
    I am trying to form a line of communication directly with DTG to assist me in these matters as I feel it impacts users of CC and I care about users of my work as this will effect my productivity as I may have to go around this the painful way,,,in possible deletion of old work to reinstate the new correct files.

    So explaining more on this in depth. Recently I was working from a PS4 to do all my work on TSW2 and then TSW3,,everything on CC has been done bar two from these titles especially from TSW2 to place work back up and fix the issues I caused myself after trying to getting around TSW2 save space.
    I made many liveries from one file,,so they will conflict so users will get livery two if they choose livery one as livery one is file one but file one has been uploaded as livery two and is that form. I think after my own testing I get wrong liveries or non at all if both are picked.
    Does it confuse DTG servers?.

    What are my plans?.
    I have a few but to keel the plans separated I’ll only focus on the these issues of liveries and the steps I need to take.
    My PS5 is a day old but in a state of rest,,,as I will be working from my PS4 to get access to the original work and the original files from TSW2 and TSW3 they are the liveries in a complete state with now new separate files so I am in a position to upload over the existing files on TSW2 IF NEW FILES CANCELLED OUT OLD,,THEY DO NOT. Briefly mentioning that at the moment I can down load to TSW4 PS5 liveries that are in state of separation IE non conflicted. By this I mean now I can down load TSLP1 without facing issues yet if I tried downloading load TSLP33 I would,,,why because yes on CC they look new and yes they have separate files but these separations haven’t taken effect because of the old issues of uploading over old files on TSW2.

    The Fix?.
    Well after writing what I’d like to try and do this but all depends on if my fears come true in that no old DLCs will not take advantage of the new features and also if DTG can help assist or do anything at all regardless of me blaming the mess created by me trying to get around simple task of uploading new files over old files a fault created by them.
    It will determine my course of action and so I will update on what I will be doing next. I just wanted to update from here whether people are interested or not. I believe in fixing the work users had faith in subscripting too but not getting it,,,,it’s bad for them and looks bad on me as I personally don’t like feeling I’ve let users down. It’s
    I wouldn’t like it so I believe users shouldn’t have to deal with it either.

    So to wrap up I can down load good files to keep it simple TSLP1 from CC to TSW4 new file completely and new upload completely. Not a problem,,,the problem exists as in TSLP33 has the new pics and yes I did a new upload so yes I have the separate files in editor but I worked from TSW2 the file I completed liveries I can’t down load from CC as the new files have not taken effect.
    I can’t get my hand on my own work in a complete state regarding old uploads on CC unless I down load them as they are and work on them again then upload from TSW4 and hope they take effect taking the working of game features into account.
    In fact I may do a little homework in this front.

    Just to mention in a earlier post I said I’d be uploading a list of effected liveries this list has been complied,,,I am wanting to take changing circumstances into account before releasing as again it’s a lot of information and I do not want to confuse what I feel is already a concern if just my own concerns so would like this information to be the correct taking everything into account before publishing.

    I also would like to continue to post from here to gain more knowledge about issues and just basic information regarding the operation of how things work from other members their prospective and findings.
    I am not the best when it comes to computers I don’t have a clue I hold my hand up so will not pretend and why I’d like some members to pass any information they can regarding these matters and with TSW matters generally.

    Any advice or assistance will be greatly welcome.
    Thanks.
     
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    Hello,,,Just an updated on plans,,,any work from TSW2 to be fixed from TSW4 is obviously on hold with the mess the game is in regarding saves and progress etc.

    So today I’ll be making a start on resolving issues with TSW2 conflict files beginning of with TSLP100 and TSLP100a first.
    Which is 66 227 “City of Manchester”. As it stands if you down load this livery you will have the standard livery with no Bee logo.
    Now there are both in new separated files but unfortunately won’t overload on TSW2 I can’t get my liveries complete on TSW4 livery editor either to work from there.

    So I will be uploading the files again as V2 from a TSW3 on PS4,,but I then may have to delete the old copies on CC later on once users notice the change or come here to see what’s going on with TSLP Liveries if they suddenly disappear. I don’t want to do that but I also don’t want to frustrate users if they see work users subscripts to it but gets something else either.

    How the TSLP codes will work. I’ll keep the old original No bee livery as TSLP100 I’ll edit the details not a new upload as a V2. TSLP100 will be what is seen below. IMG_6954.jpeg

    Next will be TSLP100a 66 227 “City of Manchester”,,,in GRLON livery. USED and WITH BEE LOGO. IMG_5988.jpeg Followed by TSLP100b same as TSLP100a but more weathered. IMG_5969.jpeg Hopefully I can give what users originally seen and wanted but don’t get as I don’t get it when downloading them from CC when testing from other profiles,,,I just get the old livery.

    Plus the worst thing about it was and still is I am not happy about the mistake due to the nature of the theme. Released as a mark of respect and to Remember. So after a long wait it’s way over due the fix they so desperately needed.

    If Anybody has any questions or suggestions then please feel free to contact me here.
    Cheers.
    TSLP.
     
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    Hi just to let folk know that I have know encountered another problem if anyone has any solutions that would be great.

    I mentioned on uploading TSLP100 etc but when trying to find the old pics to upload the game crashed at the same point. So I can not select the image I need to now correct TSLP100 on CC,,another frustration.

    Why does this game have so many issues. Endless faults.

    I FEEL LIKE GIVING UP. A simple 5 min task ruined by this. Everything is a problem. Fed up!.

    Sorry again sorry folks a problem ages old new game same faults and now this with TSW3. Truly what is the point.

    Sorry folk but I can’t work like this,,,I’m off to have some fun and buy FC24. Yes it EA,,,but that tell you where I’d rather spend my money now.

    I can’t have fun or work in these conditions.

    Just ruined. I tried.
     
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    This is very sad ngl.
     
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    Yes it is very sad a simple task,,,even tho it’s just photos,,,but it’s not just that it’s everything else wrong so just not prepared to put up with it any longer.
    I have just found out I have a heart condition so don’t need the stress,,no longer,,,,I spent many hours stressing over this game with its stupid faults,,,and writing about them.
    I’m sure DTG have if in for me,,,why does nearly out 110 liveries up on CC they reach a number and all freeze and stay at that number?. A joke,,,,. No one’s truly interested no more,,,,they’re feed up like me of being a mug.
    Putting threads up and folk doing videos and that,,but now one’s interested it seems so why continue?. It’s a mugs game.

    I mentioned FC24 which a I bought a few days ago,,,,it also has its faults a big game title from a massive company like EA and it’s freezes so have to close the game down and re start but hey it take like a few secs to get logged back in.
    I had one gold pack go missing after task completion unable to contact EA servers and one game win loss.
    Am I arsed not really I’m prepared to forgive even tho no one should deal with these EA game issues but they seem more open directly in game from the developers being aware so it’s good like that. I feel safe.

    Yet the game with its faults has given me hours of fun my two day old club is worth 24 million already,,,and the is music well good,,,the atmosphere in game is so real and I just love it,,,,why because I have fun now,,feel young and happy lol,,,not a frustrating game to play as it’s very well polished,,,,it’s such a buzz and why after making 66 779 for ECML with a 1000 decals on TSW4 will never see the light of day,,,the buzz I use to get has gone now for me from TSW the drag of it all has definitely made feeling more depressed and TSW4 was just the final straw for me.

    That’s why this will be another dead thread to be added to the rest of them on here.
    Well why continue when no one’s bothered. I’m just talking to myself.

    So I am off. Life’s to short.
     
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    My last,,, IMG_6963.jpeg IMG_6972.jpeg A thousand decals and still not enough.
     
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    Thank you Dave. Just a little information about the livery as I am not too happy about it still.
    So off again I’ll moan,,,lol.
    I made 66 779 on TSW2 in 2021 but unfortunately wasn’t allowed up CC even tho I seen others post theirs up after mine,,it’s still sat ready to go for TSW2 users now. But never loaded it up as it get deeply upset and take it to heart after hours of work.

    So the first thing I thought about was making it on TSW4,,,regardless of my views and the difficulty with issues in the editing I wanted to master it,,,push my self and take advantage of the 1000 decal limit after many users complaint’s. Personally 300 was okay it pushed your limits so for once I didn’t complain:)
    Now with this livery yes it was difficult with the issues with it freezing on the decal list but I over come and here with have a complete 1000 decal loco.
    But why I am not happy with it,,,a 1000 wasn’t enough.
    I went in making the livery thinking for once I can add every last detail but then half way thought making the Lion and Wheel emblem I knew I’d have to start being more conservative with the decals.
    Why some decals have completed text and others have not. Like the data plate I placed all text and numbers in but found I could only add it to one side but then it would look odd,,so has to leave them as they are,,,I was has 180 odd when nearing the name plate so why the R is not the original one.
    Like I say I was making the name plate and the emblem in conjunction with each other to balance the numbers out in my head on what I’d need,,,and bearing in mind not wishing to keep going up and down the list too much to alter on saving decals else where.

    Hard work was it fun?,,,,I guess my fun comes from users reactions well I say fun but my enjoyment comes after all the hard work making them.
    To finally see them on CC and especially this one seeing I made one before as mentioned,,,wasn’t uploaded so glad I’ve made it,,,am I happy I’ve over come the hurdles and even made me think twice about packing in.

    Why well I like making liveries,,,,yes I’ve made a few that are sat and I’ll probably load them up as they are along with a TSW4 version,,as again if I was never happy with fully completing earlier work then,,but now have the opportunity to make them how I want them,,to be perfect.

    I mastered it before and I’ll master it again with TSW4. I want the best.
     
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    Hello,,,wow what can I say now am not in one my off weeks as ain’t half been busy now I’ve settled into the new tool on TSW4. Tbh I’m amazed at how clear and clean it looks on PS5 even some old routes so yes been very busy and currently working on 6 new locos,,,one of which I have not long loaded up.

    But unfortunately I noticed a few issues either I have overlooked them as I was working all night and day on it or the changes didn’t take place last minute.
    The livery I am talking about is 66 709 “Sorrento” (TSLP79) and two issues which I have now been rectified.
    Only small warning labels on side 1 not side 2 and lines showing where they should not be over containers near bow of the ship. IMG_7146.jpeg IMG_7144.jpeg IMG_7132.jpeg
    As you can see they have been fixed so I’ll be doing a update for TSLP79 today so anyone that has downloaded will already know to re subscribe to get the latest changes. First time trying a new update over work on TSW4 so let’s see if it works.

    Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
    Thanks.
    TSLP.
     
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    Release information of TSLP148. 88 1948. IMG_7125.jpeg Just wanted to post some pictures and information about the livery.
    The livery seen is something I wanted to do for a long time yet wanted to add something special to it,to give it some reason for being.
    IE I wanted like joint venture between US and UK companies or resource management as I was doing a BR theme on a US loco so rather than just bang a BR Arrow logo on and say there I’m done I wanted like I say give it a reason and possibly be something seen in real life.

    Plus as DTG has now graced us with such an opportunity with the new limits and plus I love the new shading decals I’ve used on 66 709 “Sorrento” it worked a treat absolutely fantastic makes the liveries how I’ve always envisioned so now we have this I want to take full advantage use all decals to the full extent I’m already hitting say 1000 decals easily like on 66 779 “Eastern Star” and 66 709.
    This loco has I think 834 and will do as again wanted to a BR theme but try add something different so added my HOOKHAUL company theme to it and then tie in with a fictional ILRM logo and companies collaboration to give a reason for BR theme livery be on SD70ACe.
    A fictional concept as I do like to make liveries that add some of my own interest,,,things I’d like to see and just add some variation as many great work has been done by other users,,plus I think I am addicted as I can’t seem to stop.

    So yes just a little information on 88 1948 and as always I really hope you enjoy:) TSLP148 is now available on CC.
    Made on TSW4,PS5. NO MODs. IMG_7116.jpeg IMG_7117.jpeg IMG_7120.jpeg

    Cheers.
    TSLP.

     
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    Hello,,,well been very busy with a few top secret projects,,,but more so with my earlier work on some A3s and A1s.
    I had two liveries in storage ready for work to be done but that work has turned into a whole new rebuild.

    Now I have been looking for help on matter of colour matches as again it take a while to match due to me having to close the game down and restart for those changes to take effect.

    So below are some quick shots of 60163 “Tornado” in BR Steam blue,,,the first pic and then BR Express blue on the loco only as I am only testing.

    IMG_7398.jpeg IMG_7399.jpeg Any help regarding this would be fantastic,,,working off old codes too seem different on these new DLCs as I found out with old DLCs like say a class 66 they don’t have that gloss look so now the colours sit differently on the new reflective gloss look on the newer DLCs.

    So yes just looking for any suggestions or comments on these colours before releasing on to CC.
    Thanks.
     
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    Just a quick note to say that I really like the first livery (BR Steam Blue). Upload that one and I'll definitely use it in a scenario. Well done.

    David.
     
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    Thanks David,,,I wish I seen this sooner as I posted it up later on that day.
    This loco was the one I mentioned that was in storage,,,so after you saying you used the Apple Green “TORNADO” I started work on it and two others,,being “Night Hawk” and the “Windsor lad” in later BR green after privatisation or fit them with when they was used with a 1928 corridor type tender.

    The colour matching I was battling with to be fair and why I was looking for advice first. As when using the colour boards I would usually use for say BR blue it would be off. Then looking at what they actually call “TORNADO” s colour which is passenger express blue,,,it’s seemed to dark like a experimental blue.
    I even looked on model forums where they to looked for a good standard of match,,.
    Some used Kind Edward 11 Blues as a ref and some used a paint by Phoenix Paints number P102 called BR (Steam) Light Blue but then upon looking at actual record this blue only lasted about 18mths due to problems with paint shops having issues with colour matching for touch up on Classes I was choosing.

    So I ended up looking at BS standards colour charts and started to work with Roundel Blue like I mention in the CC comments it was the one I found gave the right appearance I was looking for,,,but still I wasn’t happy.
    Why well maybe that was just me being critical of my own work as I was after two days testing every time I stuck to a colour I’d have to change most of the decals colours to make the emblem I done this 3 times so about 815 decals to change every time.

    So for me to not run around in circles and give you or users time to comment this loco I’ll show you here 60078 “Night Hawk” is one nearing completion touching up the weathering and it’s done.

    If you could let me know what you think about the colour of BR Green on this livery again it would be greatly appreciated.
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    Thanks.
    Lee.
     
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    Hi Lee,

    I'm going to ask you what I suspect will be a really dopey question first. Is that the same livery in all 3 images?

    If so then I am amazed by the differences between all 3 shots and how the light (or lack of light) causes the 'camera' to capture the same colour in such different tones.

    I really like the green in the first image. To me it 'looks' right (and that is all I worry about). I also like the livery in the second shot because it looks much gloomier and, for me, you can never have too much gloom in a scenario. (Afterall the sun doesn't shine every day does it?).

    As a scenario creator having believable locomotives in 3 or 4 different colours makes all the difference. We only have a limited number of locomotives to choose from so why not have many different colours to jazz things up a bit. So get "Nighthawk" and "Windsor Lad" out and into the game so we can all have some fun and you can think about your next project !!!

    David.
     
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    Two "Blue" Tornados. Or is it two sides of the same loco in the midday sun?
    (Proving that you can spend hours tweaking your colours only to have the time of day, the sun direction and the weather altering the way they look in-game).
    Personally, I think the colour looks great. Thumbs up from me.

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    Hi David,,,yes it is the same train but don’t worry because as you can see your self how much difference the lighting can have an effect from shades and tones from going the editing studio to clean in use and then with weathering applied it does make all the difference so no not a dopey question at all,,,because like you say having different locos in different colours for different eras and in various states of condition.

    So I’ll get both out for you then,,,but what I will do,,,is currently “Night Hawk” never really carried the tender in this livery so if you want I’ll place “Night Hawk” up as seen in last shot.
    Then for the correct period and tender match I’ll place it in LNER colours during periods of 1923 but I just need to double check the correct tender in use. As that’s what I am doing at the moment looking when they would be using a 1928 Corridor 9t tender. As most used the standard GNR 5000g.

    Then I’ll short out “Windsor Lad” as I am looking at 60039 “Sandwich” at the same time,,again looking at correct usage of tenders so I place the right livery on them. So as there are in a unfinished state I can work one for what ever you feel you could use on making a scenario as I think we may be on the same page when it comes to setting scenes and atmosphere as these beautiful machines in the last days of steam was run into the ground so try reflect that in the later livery’s and keep them clean in the earlier days.

    To give you options and other users that variation seen on Britains past railways,,the best I can with what I have. For as you know I do these all by hand no mods.

    So I really appreciate you interest in my work and comments and is why I do them in the first place and spend hours on research so again I really do appreciate it when I get to speak to users of my work.

    I’ll get to work now so I’ll have this loco 60078 “Night Hawk” up for you now. I’ll place it under TSLP78 for easy ref.

    Thanks David.
    Lee.
     
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    Wow you can take some pictures,,,they really do look amazing and do my work proud.
    Seriously they look cool.

    No way,,,thank you David,,,I am so happy you like them.
    Speaking personally it took me nearly two days to find the right match because again like you say checking them in different lighting to make sure it’s not too dark or too light,,,that’s why I never go of pictures because so many factors to consider never mind the camera settings them selfs etc.

    Old records and models forums,,HEX codes all shorts to try find a match.
    But I have say fair play to DTG and what it has given say your self here with the ability to take such great pictures DTG have done a fantastic Job,,and so have you in creating such fine photos.

    Amazing work,,,truly are.
    Thank you so much for shearing with me.

    Am I okay to screen shot them or take a copy.
    Just for my own files that’s all as I really like this photos.

    Lee.
     
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    Of course you can. Better still, DM me your email address and I'll email you the images as jpegs. Use them in whatever way you want. :)
    (I'm off out now but I will sort you out something later on tonight).

    David
     
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    Okay thank you I’ll do that in a min then,,,and funny how you should say that as last night I thought I’d try do something special for you:).
    I’ll let you decide on the optional sports style wheels lol.

    I’ll keep this short. Now as you know “Flyings Scotsman” has had many liveries and different Boilers fitted in its in long career,,and many guises after Alan Pegler original concept of what we see and take as the Standard “Flying Scotsman” Number and livery.
    And with the Nationalisation of Railways in the mid 1947 saw the new BTC looking for a new Identity,,,.

    So with that thought I’d do a one of livery off E103 “Flying Scotsman” in a special test livery during this brief period of change before being classed as 60103.

    Now it is in the closing stages of development and currently has a standard LNER on the tender yet the whole style is meant to fit in with the HOTDOG totem design,,which will be its final design to meet with the design brief set out in the original documentation on forming a new clean modern image in the days of steam.
    Rolling stock is also planned to fit in with the lines down the side of the loco too.

    So here is few pics to see what you think during it’s different stages of testing for the right balance and colours.
    I want the design to be simple away from complex hand work of the past,,,this would be to keep cost down as again this was a main factor in consolidation of the main groups to save the UK government money,,,. Why we had the The Beeching Report of The Restructuring of British Railways in 1963.

    Well I’ll stop with the history lesson now) and post them pics,,,hope you like,,and more will follow in the what I would like to leave it in.
    But again I’ll wait to see what you think. IMG_7468.jpeg IMG_7471.jpeg IMG_7475.jpeg IMG_7476.jpeg Catch you soon, David and thanks again.
    Lee.
     
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    Hi Folks,,,,I thought I’d post some Information about my latest livery an A3 Pacific 60103 “Flying Scotsman” as E103 is on currently hold.

    So some information regarding why 60103 is in the colours scheme it is.
    Now as we now after the four main companies amalgamated and British Railways was born on the 1st January 1948 the (BTC) still didn’t have a standard Identity as (LPTB) did.

    Now I wanted to see if using some of there earlier designs “The Hot Dog Sausage” totem was meant to be a standard Identity as it was used on many platforms and buildings etc which many still associate with early British Railways. Yet without going into the complexity of management moving forward the (THDS) totem was meant to be a modern look but didn’t fit right with steam locomotives nor rolling stock.
    Hence why the “Lion and Wheel” early crest was born yet still had an Art Deco look even tho at this time electric motive was being introduced to Britains railway.

    So during this brief period where British Railways Executive’s was looking for the right balance for the new corporate Image I wanted to see if I could make the (THDS) totem work and find a simple colour for what might have been using what they had.
    I wanted a simple design to keep cost down if it was implemented in real yet make it elegant and modern enough for the early 50s into maybe the late 60s as BR was born in 68 anyway to work.

    Obviously with it being a test and a mock up what ever you wish to call it I did mess around with colours and styles on E103 so users can have a different version over 60103 but again that’s on hold waiting on feedback from a user interested in some work.

    So yes just a little information on why 60103 “Flying Scotsman” has been created the way it has.
    A few pictures of the now completed version and a few test shots of E103 as I was wanting more red and grey introduced In that design.

    I Really hope you like and as always any comments or feedback on some of these early projects would be greatly welcomed.
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    Lee (TSLP)
     
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    Hi Folks,,,While I’m here I just thought I’d show some development shots of 2500 “Windsor lad”.
    I did have this loco in storage after a rough patch up,,but I wanted to give it the attention it deserves now I have got use to the shock of the new editing as say on my first livery of 60163 “TORNADO” to me it’s a bit of a mess and will returning to them in due course to make them better.
    So here some test shots you will notice the shade of green change too,,,not a Darlington green,,,but Grass Green.
    And if anyone has any questions or comments about these early shots then please let me know so I can respond or alter the work to a corrected standard. IMG_7524.jpeg IMG_7523.jpeg IMG_7522.jpeg IMG_7521.jpeg
    Thanks.

    Lee,(TSLP).
     
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    Hi folks just a quick post as I am very busy with one or two things but just a quick peek of something for a friend:)
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    Work in progress.

    Bye for now.
    Lee.
     
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    Well folks I write this with match sticks propping up my eye lids,,,man I said to my self this won’t take long just a black locomotive with a few numbers and stickers,,. How wrong I was and I really do appreciate the skills of the sign writer and hand painters that due this amazing job.
    Even tho it’s a dying skill and art form I found my self really getting into the lettering so like the hand painters of yesteryear this will have a difference in the style of lettering even tho I’ve tried to stick to the original artist style.

    Due to this project being done by request and whose support I couldn’t have been with out during the liveries process as it has been done to a very high standard due to the level of work on the numbers as you will see is a very special locomotive not just because it’s the “Flying Scotsman” no,,,but an A10 in War time black with different number set on left from and right side,,,unfortunately tho I could not apply 60103 number plate due to the games restrictions on the smoke box and deflectors.

    By requesting this loco I have pushed my limits and learned a new skill over the last few days,,,I don think I would have placed so much effort if I’d done this normally. So again thank you,,,:)

    These are for you and for fans of this historic piece of engineering and beauty,,that is The Flying Scotsman.
    Pictures of standard version but yet to be published on CC (EDIT) as additional work has been requested,,followed by the now complete and is now available on CC under TSLP73a (EDIT) A10 “Flying Scotsman” (Pre).
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    Preserved version. TSLP73a. IMG_7621.jpeg IMG_7620.jpeg IMG_7627.jpeg IMG_7634.jpeg Bye for now.

    Lee.
     
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    Good Morning all.

    Just a quick message regarding placement of recent work and there title placement within the vast amount of liveries available,,and how to find them better.
    I have noticed that a lot will show up in the flying Scotsman if you place that in the search box but non of mine show even tho one or two have Flying Scotsman contained within the title.
    I chose to place them with there class title or with PBD as easy to find that way and match up with that working route as with it being a new DLC and seeing I don’t always do the Flying Scotsman an A3 I place them like I say in it correct class.
    Adding to this not all people want a Scotsman so how would they find or know what to enter into the search box?.
    More on this below.

    I have also placed in all work my TSLP codes with the titles but I know that not everyone will be familiar with my work so if they don’t use and enter TSLP in to the search box to find all my work then they and my work could be missed or overlooked.

    At this point I also wonder how the system is grouping others work too and what are those other users choosing for their titles to be in amongst others In there respective class.

    As it stands only one page of A3’s and if you enter A3 in the search box A3 don’t allows work?.
    Why when I and other have placed that class within their title. Is it being found if A3 is not seen as a selection by the search function?.
    Yet like I say I have Flying Scotsman within a few of my titles yet those don’t show when you enter Flying Scotsman in the search box.
    So how is my work being handled or found and it must be the same for others.

    WHATS THE BEST WAY TO GET YOU WORK FOUND AND CLASSED RIGHT?.
    So today I will be changing my codes to all have PBD A3 or A1/A10 (NUMBER) (LOCO NAME) (LOCO COLOUR OR SUBJECT) ending with TSLP code. Example PBD A10 NO LOCO NUMBER, “Flying Scotsman” (Pre) TSLP73a. I will enter this new code today as it will get lost with its current choice of title.
    And if by selecting this PBD as a good place that start then could it be a standard code for others to enter for their work to be found by those then entering PBD for a route selection and what liveries are available by not only me but others too.

    Does anyone have the same issue when it come to how the system works by how work is handled and found?.
    If so how have you got around the problem?, or have a better solution for the community as a whole to try find a standard solution across the board?.
    If it seems the system has a strange way of grouping work.

    So as always any comments or suggestions are welcomed,,,bye for now.

    Lee.
     
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    Hello,,just an update on 2500 “Windsor Lad”.
    Work in progress level setting and then on to the numbers IMG_7666.jpeg IMG_7667.jpeg ,,but it’s gonna be,, IMG_7665.jpeg ,,,,morrow now,,another work thought the night.

    Night.
    Lee.
     
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    Hello all,,,,wow what a blur the last few days have been,,,I really didn’t expect the recent work across four locos to be so drawn out.
    It even took over work I had already made on TSW3 old work needing uploading from TSW3 for Halloween,,,but with those I guess I was holding off to see if more work could have been done on TSW4 using the new layer limits before releasing in time,but I guess not so,,maybe next year.

    But in saying all this I woke up to find a surprise of my A10 Scotsman’s in preserved War Time Black condition being featured so just want to say a big thank you to DTG and to all that’s subscribed it really means a lot to me because it so rewarding after all the hard work put into these projects. Each one is personal to me,,as each one has its own problems to over come so when I look back at the finished product each one tells a story of the pain of sometimes making them to percaferi and overcome to hopefully end up with something that will give me and others joy and satisfaction.

    I think the guys and girls out there will now what I mean a labour of love for your passion so again thank you everyone and DTG it’s so rewarding and is a welcomed boost after I must admit a draining time on me mentally. Not in a bad way but in the sense of skipping meals or staying up all night,,,I’m getting old and not a rave monkey no more and my body lets me know.

    So I just want to briefly explain what my future plans are when working on A3 Class Pacific’s due to work load and the lengthy process of making them as my last post being 2500 “Windsor lad” has over 1300 decals so as you can see are quite large in size and also finding the time to concentrate can also be a challenge.

    I do not want to copy or duplicate these works either as this can be more of a hassle than the solution as again each one has its own complexity and to re work copies is just as difficult as starting from scratch.
    Another reason for this is I want each one to be unique as I see these as hand made no mod used so again I want my work to reflect this rather than just pumping out duplicates with a few things changed even tho it may appear as just that.

    Going forward and staying in tradition with the my last few A3 Liveries all will have new numbers and letters made from scratch to achieve that look I want for my own work and for user that are looking for this when choosing.
    As I have found getting into the writing on these locos really gives me a insight on the skills of the men that done this work for real.
    And as I have always wanted to add more detail now DTG has given us the opportunity then I will try replicating in my work now DTG has given us what we asked for.

    I have found something that will allow me to test my skills to push for and use every last decal if needed because I really love doing these projects and I may look into doing it for real so if anyone knows where I could try my hand on this dying skill please let me know.
    I am going to look into it for myself tho as I really really do love making them I just love the level of eye for detail and skill for angles of light and perspective these sign painters had.

    What real skill and shame I hear not many do it no more,,,like so may other traditions of skilled craftsman that as once so wide spread across the country.
    In no shape or form do I want to come across as blowing smoke up my own backside and compare what I am doing to what these great men achieved,,,no I’m just saying I appreciate what they did and I also would like to think I haven’t done a bad job on my work but it’s totally different so is why I want to do it for real.
    So please if anyone knows where or who to contact regarding trying this skill for real the please contact me:)

    Going back to what I was saying is basically I lose track of time and could spend two hours just fiddling around on one number, again all time. So yes I’ll will be slowing down my output when working with any work especially the A3’s due to the for mentioned.
    I would have liked to add more on other reasons for slowing down but due to this post already being large I’ll do another post sometime soon.

    I also wanted to mention and show some pictures of the now finished 2500 “Windsor Lad” on this post but as per I’ve gone off on a tangent.
    So I’ll rap up in this one and I’ll post some pictures and info on 2500 on another post.

    Bye for now.
    Lee.
     
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    Hello again well I’ll try make this one quick as I am get the shakes from not being on TSW4 lol,,,so I won’t be boring you to death with a history lesson on the actual locomotive even tho I can provide more information if needed on request for those unfamiliar with “Windsor Lad”.

    Okay,,,so I’ll start with colour. Difference sheds had different perception of the Apple Green Hence why we have Darlington Green and Doncaster shades,,,yet unofficially in record some state it as Grass Green BS381C:218 ,which looking further is resembles to Australian Standards AS 2007 2011 G24 Fern Green.
    Now the paint Job and Lining is meant to be from when new 10/7/1934 and after the war re applied back to standard Apple Green with B&W lining until 3/9/1947.

    So I endlessly tried getting the colour right on this loco without any glacé or the usual layer I add to give that used look.
    It distracts the eye to what the level of colour is and may appear wrong.
    But to anyone that worries no stop about colours then fear not.
    These are working locos so in real life the colours will fade dirt and film will will weather an degrade the depth of the once rich colours,,,so is important to consider when say fading the paint but the adding the darker layers of weathering or your loco could end up looking paler underneath washed out with the darkening set against it.

    But 2500 “Windsor Lad” is set from paint shop new so this adding a weathered look was not an issue. What was the main issue was getting the correct colour shade and richer vibrant colours without it looking washed out nor too candy looking or fake to rich.

    Green and red is already hard for the eye to adjust too and judge a completely correct perception as my eye’s see green or red different to someone else’s.
    So something I tried to be aware of even tho I couldn’t do much about it,,so after long deliberation I opted for the Grass Green shade,,as this stood out and meet all the requirements I was looking for on 2500 “Windsor Lad” the once proud clean polished look these locos had due to the hard of work of depot crews and the crewmen them selfs. Polishing and maintaining their machines. The early days of steam before being run into the ground and cut up with years still left in them.

    This is why the livery is in mint condition I wish I had a way of making the hand rail appear more like metal or brass tho.
    And I have also tried to accurately match the B&W lining up to the real locomotive around the cab and tender and as I have gone about in my last post the hand made numbers and lettering to give it that authentic look,,,but most of all with this change of style and colour didn’t want it to look washed out or too pale. Like a pastel green. So I really hope I achieved the right match by giving this loco a clean rich colour with cleans lines and details around the Cab and Tender.

    I was also looking into adding 4 6 2 below the number or pre group classification on the right hand side of the buffer beam but I believe this pre group classification ended in 1929 yet did continue on some A3’s until standard classification onwards from 1932 which was 2 years before 2500 was built,,if I done my home work right.

    So yes I think I covered everything and I’ll need to go folks got work to do,,,I’ll be getting the standard used look A10 out hopefully today.
    Sorry for long posts but I have been quiet for a few days so just thought I’d give an update and give more details on work placed up on CC.

    And a few pictures of a complete PBD A3 2500 “Windsor Lad” LNER. (TSLP25). As I know user’s don’t always get to see the details in the pictures published. And if anyone would like any information or help on there own projects and when considering doing work on A3’s or how I’ve made my A3’s then please contact us I’d be happy to help:) IMG_7704.jpeg IMG_7705.jpeg IMG_7706.jpeg IMG_7694.jpeg Thanks again and enjoy the weekend.

    Lee.
     
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    rigsby#3981 Well-Known Member

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    Hi folks well sorry for the tone of this post but just about to finish a loco of I wanted to get out today but as you know been pushed for time,,,I wanted it out for today to Remember Remember the 5th of November,,obviously Guy Fawkes night,,,and here he is,,,,, IMG_7735.jpeg IMG_7736.jpeg ,,,sadly tho I’ve just lost it by having a issue with the electricity,,,back on but,,I will not have this out in time and if it is it will later on tonight.
    But I doubt it very much.

    I am so sorry,,,I’ll get to work again.

    Lee.
     
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    Hello all,,,just a quick post to show the completed 66 511 “Guy Fawkes” and some information regarding its future.
    As it was planned but then placed on hold due to other commitments I only had a day to build the delay in making didn’t help it either so isn’t my best work especially with the mural.

    So what I will be doing is redoing 66511 into a special running livery,,,different colour to what I want my fleet to look like,,,larger company logo and remove the mural but place one back on during the 5th November each season. If I am still going that is in a years time, as I will be going back to work so this unfortunately I have to give up this passion. I Just won’t have the time or energy to place into such works.

    That’s the future anyway so getting back to now at some point this week I’ll have the second, a standard version up. For todays work is the rolling stock for the blue test Flying Scotsman,,,and there will be a bonus at the END too:).
    It’s done very well to be fair and on CC for a What if livery of fictional work and so would like to thank all that’s subscribed to it.
    I was placing the rolling stock down the bottom of my list of work to do,,,but again the loco has proved very popular so I will devote more time on the rolling stock by moving it up to priority.

    I would also like to ask anyone a small favour in helping or assisting me in possibly?. I do feel daft asking after all the liveries I do and should know by now how to make scenarios. Making and placing my rolling stock with my locos.
    I had a play one but just didn’t have the time or patience,,,so if anyone could give me some pointers on what to do I’d be grateful indeed.

    Right well I’ll move on to some information on 66511 and then place a few pictures up of before and after shots during the development process.

    INFO.
    Company livery. I want a new standard look for all classes of loco to share the same design,,,this I will still need to look into further due to old DLCs and files etc.
    Use what I have in recent designs. This I will do based on a future redesign placed on 47 303 “New Horizon” and 47 510 “Bell Rock”.
    And a theme I will continue if workable for a standard design set across all previous work and new projects based on HOOKHAUL future branding only.

    So a few changes will appear on the second version of 66511 “Guy Fawkes” as I say it was planned but no overall design was made or properly implemented in the final product due to time constraints. Which I feel is a shame for I love the little figure head:) and don’t want to let it down any further.
    If anyone would like to offer any advice or what they may want changed on 66511 for it will be on hold for a week maybe before work is due then please let me know in advance so arrangements can be made.

    Okay a few pictures of development and if anyone would like to ask any questions on how this was done then please give us a shout. IMG_7746.jpeg IMG_7748.jpeg IMG_7749.jpeg IMG_7755.jpeg
    If anyone was wondering what the black (Edit) is around his head and lower neck then he was meant to have his hat and decoration around his garments. Again design changes last min due to issue midday.

    I will leave TSLP5XX 66511 “Guy Fawkes” alone for those wanting the mural design but as I say the second version will be out later this week. So please let me know if you would like anything seen or changed on the next version.

    Many thanks.

    Lee.
     
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    Hi all been a bit messy with the past week’s celebrations etc so work has slowed down but still managed a few things one being a Passenger Express Blue Flying Scotsman 60103.
    I really wasn’t sure what do with this one in keep it clean or in used condition,,for I have found a new way of weathering but haven’t applied it on a released livery yet for they take too many decals up and completely locks the move or slows the game down when grouped together which isn’t good.
    So on this livery I have tried another time consuming and decal saving method for now,,,so if users are happy with it please let me know or add any suggestions on what could be altered if it’s not right for I don’t want to ruin the “Flying Scotsman”.

    As mentioned in the CC description I added a few decals to try make it fit in within its modern back drop.
    But again if there any suggestion on the best era which is probably the time period it was actually in these colours during periods between 1949 to 1952 before being painted in BR Green then please let me know so I can remove or add the relevant decals.

    Below are a few pictures of making it and the end product. Please note the tender and loco colours seem to not match,,,but they are all correct colours and layers used to add the used look. I double checked the 3 for the loco and 3 for the tender but you will see that after doing those checks it does still look different as you will see your self. I had the same issue on all previous A3 locos tho so probably just the gloss layers on the model itself.

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    The tender has a more purple tint too it??. I don’t know why. But it doesn’t effect the look out on track.

    So the livery is now available on CC under TSLP73c I will start adding links soon,,,I’m old you see so just learnt how to make attachments on a email and all that Jazz. PBD A3 “Flying Scotsman” with the above code is now available:).

    Hope you enjoy guys. And girls.
    (TSLP)
     
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    Hello,,,Another quick one on a project half complete as still working on rolling stock but don’t have time so again if anyone would like the chance to work on this project with me then I would be grateful indeed as I really don’t have time with this and other projects.

    I would also like to show some work early as I did show if someone yesterday and I also want it out so I can move on.
    But before I do that I would also like to give the opportunity to name the next Class 66 I am doing to fit in the with the Blue BR test livery on the A3 or even suggest something for this one as for as it stands I’ve called “The Scotsman Guardian” and I wanted to call the second loco “The caoineag” or even try with a racehorse name as that what most A3’s where named after and higher up officials of the time.

    The outline of the project was inspired by the testing days of liveries and using what was designed before other logos or totems etc came along and wanted to see if I could make it work on locos and even modern locos.
    I stayed with this first. IMG_7487.jpeg
    I have noticed a E103 under from when I was messing around during test and forgot to remove so this I will fix at a later date as I have a few to do so will be done in a batch.
    And below is work waiting to be released.
    This liveries is designed to show the early BR’s Totem design and add my own design to give the modern look as I want the loco to be like a helper and support loco for when the A3 is on special outings. And why I have placed my company on to complement the overall look I wanted. Hence the name change from HOOKHAUL to HOOKHALL Services for this loco only. IMG_7866.jpeg IMG_7867.jpeg IMG_7877.jpeg
    I have also weathered this one as the next loco I am using the GRLON design and keeping it clean. Another reason is for options for users to choose what they like most as I could do a few versions in varying workable designs but do not want to abuse the logos used or flood CC with the same theme.

    So yes I will try get these done but the opportunity is there if someone would like to help with rolling stock and have the chance to name the next loco:)

    Ideally I’d like the name to fit in with the A3 “Flying Scotsman” and with Class 66 “The Scotsman Guardian”. But any suggestions would be welcomed.

    I could try do a poll but not sure how to do that so again if anyone could help then please it really would be a help.
    As it keeps me going when I find it a bit hard to carry on with my passion your support is welcomed as like I say it keeps me going.

    Lee.
     
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    Evening all.
    Just a quick post to show the second version and what name I have chosen for now and will no doubt end up staying with “Desert Orchid”.
    A race horse I was very familiar with as my grandad won quite a bit of money on the Irish Grand National when Desert Orchid won in 1990.
    I even remember a horse called “Over the Road” me mum chose but I can’t call a loco that.
    So sticking with what the original A3’s race horse theme I have chosen a recent name of a famous race horse and due to my grandad having some luck all those years ago.


    This is for you Grandad and for you “Desert Orchid” we had a great holiday in Rhyl that year:) (I miss you)
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    I’d say this is finished I may change the yellow warning plate and head lamp covers to dark grey.

    Bye for now.
     
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    Evening all. Just a quick one folks as I did say id get the 66 511 done but unfortunately it’s still in the paint shop:).
    So are seven more so as you can see I’ve got my hands full,,but hopefully I’ll have one or two out tomorrow.

    In the mean time just a quick picture of 66 073 “Desert Orchid” still in development as I really like these liveries I wasn’t expecting them to look as good as they do so with this I want to make sure it’s Bob on. IMG_7927.jpeg IMG_7940.jpeg IMG_7941.jpeg
    These are still open to suggestions due to the delay and I have also created a separate thread as I am looking to partner up with someone to help with rolling stock or ideas in new projects as I have many still in development stages due to time constraints as per.

    Well gotta go,,my paint brush is drying.
     
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    Mornings,,,,well working through the night for a first attempt at,,,well it’s a surprise:).
    So some quick sneak photos for now,,,and back to it if I don’t nod off,,,oh I do hate time,,,why do we have to get old. . IMG_8011.jpeg IMG_8012.jpeg Work most certainly in progress,,,,right where the coffeeeeee?.

    Bye for now.
    Lee.
     
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    Hello to you all on this sad day of remembrance for all those lost in the First World War. One reason why I haven’t placed much information as I was paying my respects.
    So now I’m back with me brew I’ll have time to go over some details regarding my first reskin of a Class 801. IMG_8037.jpeg
    Fictional LNER Apple Green livery. Class 801-2.
    I’ll be providing quite a lot information so maybe you may want to get your self a brew:) I maybe some time.
    Ok,,so the planning was made around 3 weeks ago and a start was made on a Class 66 with the name of “Man of War” again sticking to the the theme of race horses,,,but I wasn’t too sure if it would get passed the profanity test and the theme was quite dark too but in line with the basic outline of the project make a Remembrance Sunday livery and to make it special as I had lost family members fight like most people have in the Great Britain and abroad have had some form of relative fight in the conflict as nearly close to 30 nations were involved.

    But it just wasn’t looking right and I really wanted to go to town so to speak and make use of the new decal limits,,,again on that seriously DTG thank you so much for increasing the limit I will use them:)
    So because I wasn’t feeling it I wanted to give it a few days for me to come back to it with a fresh set of ideas and on a personal note I was slipping in to low state of mind which obviously can effect my positivity when approaching a new livery.
    I also got Involved with help and inspiration from a community member for a War Time Black Scotsman during half way through the BR test livery project hence why it’s been held up and why I have been looking for a partner so I could work on this Remembrance Sunday project.

    But it all went to pot with this and other life’s little hick ups and found that the weeks I thought I had suddenly turned into days then hours as this livery was started late last night,,,but feel asleep due to getting old and decrepit,,,thankfully I warned the whole house the importance of what I was trying to do and if I nodded wake me up in the morning which they duly did at half seven.
    Immediately I started work knowing in the back of my mind I had no chance of getting it done to the standard I wanted,,,and still getting used to the model as like I say this is my first.

    Why the last minute change?. Well as I say I wasn’t feeling it with the “Man of War” I was also working on the A3, 3 at the time and 5 Class 66’s so was boring of working on these constantly as I was thinking of working on the project with an A3 but again not what would or should be done with an iconic locomotive like the Scotsman or A3’s in general well not in the style or manner I was thinking about but just couldn’t pin it yet.
    Until it hit me as when I was just about to give up,,,the loading screen had the LNER Class 801,,,mmmmmm BAM it clicked,,,a Class 801,,Modern and fits in with the new name “Warrior” named after a brave Warrior horse serving aside Captain Jack Seely with the (BEF) in France from 1914. (Horse theme).
    I also had the limits of a 1000 on each unit and coach so I could add the basic lay out the livery before work on the finer art work and lettering as I was due to have hand made lettering like on 2500 “Windsor lad” fitted and add more focus on the men to historical figures and scene styles.

    But sadly I over estimated the amount of work on the onset working with a totally new model in the Class 801 and I looking at doing to much with such little time.
    Now anyone that follows my thread then they will now that I love making liveries yet like every one else life gets in the way and delays some of these massive plans which adds time which will result in a rushed project with a poor quality livery which to me is unacceptable especially on something I had so much heart in but life does get in the way and unfortunately I feel like I let the men down by not honouring the fallen the way they should be honoured especially on something that is on public display.

    So I would just like to say I am sorry to those men and to users for not getting this product right.
    I really did try my best I pushed the best I could trying to find a steam lined design that fits the shape and contours on the Class 801 design and also build in the old LNER livery style work on this sleek design of the Class 801.

    I also left some coach seat number of due to time limits and the odd poppy’s rotation is wrong.
    I am fully aware of the faults so in time these will be addressed as I am happy with the outcome but totally disappointed with myself for again not making it would it should be for the men it’s meant to pay respects too.

    There may be other faults to so if any are found then please let me know so I can correct and make this livery happen for The Fallen Men of WW1. To Remember them and Never Forget. IMG_8038.jpeg IMG_8044.jpeg IMG_8043.jpeg IMG_8045.jpeg
    Sorry for long speak again.

    Lee.
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    NEWS,,UPDATE.
    I’ll keep this one short.
    I noticed issues with 60103 “Flying Scotsman” TSLP73. Main fault fixed.
    Old E103 decals from development test. Removed weathering on front wheel bogies.
    Added: Added Grey to the Outside Cylinder (Steam Chest) Piston. Black detail added to the cab and tender edges. And warning decals (OHEL). I WAS UNSURE ON ADDING THESE,,BUT SEEMS USERS PREFERS THIS SET UP.
    Altered: Front number on Buffer Beam. IMG_7951.jpeg IMG_7962.jpeg

    I WILL BE UPLOADING THESE CHANGES OVER THE OLD LIVERY AS I DO NOT WANT TO DUPLICATE TO MANY LIVERIES.
    BUT IF ANY USERS DO HAVE A USE FOR THIS LIVERY WITH OUT THE CHANGES THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
    I’ll see what I can do:).

    Thank you:)

    Lee
    (TSLP).
     

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