Loco Br 194 / E94 Railtour Pack Feedback Thread

vendys#6021 I tried both services myself and had no issue with the brakes. Did you perhaps not put the loco brake to "release" when leaving the cab? That's easy to forget
On a sidenote: I really enjoyed these two services. A very good example of how much fun this timetable can be when everything works!

Regarding the cab car: I don't have any issues with the lights, looks fine to me...

And the little spots on the windows aren't raindrops, but dirt. Realism
The AI on the other hand still got this old issue with the cab car lights. They are driving around with only the top one lit up, the lower ones are dark (they are casting a cone of light though).

The white indicator panels on the 218 are not a lighting issue though... they're just white. (same on the red version)
I spawned it on an older route with old-style lighting (Main-Spessart), same result:

Also, I noticed the clock isn't working. Correct time would have been 10:01. I'm gonna do more testing under which circumstances this happens.

 

When I was leaving the cab car, I put the Brake in the OFF position and locked the brake lock ... so that's probably wrong

Lights cabcar...... on the PS5 Pro it does this weird white effect ...... But it seems to me, when you show the photo, that it's not in the sun, it seems to me that it's already in the shade .....so maybe that's why it's visible normally

218 ... I didn't think it was lights, but it's a transparent material, in the tunnel the white effect disappears on the 218, it shows some indicators, they are some displays, but it has the same effect as the exterior headlights on the cab car

BR110 ... And one more detail, trains led by a cabcar... so the taillights on BR110 are off

 

I tried again, I arrive at Boppard on the siding, when leaving the cabcar the brake position cannot be locked other than in the OFF position, the direct brake is in the release position. I get into the locomotive, adjust it, and when I want to release the brakes, it still hangs at 1bar and I don't move with it ...... if of course I start the direct service starting with the Boppard - Koblenz service at 7:40, then everything is OK This can reliably annoy me ..... when something is not going well for me, and I don't know why ... Even the taillights on the cabcar didn't have that white effect in sunlight ... as if it was only sensitive to a certain combination during ... sunlight

EDIT: And one more thing... at the entrance to Boppard, Signal A1 and an active red magnet in front of it, but there was no red one there.....

 

Not wrong at all, that's the correct way to do it. But you also have to make sure that the "loco" brake, the uppermost lever, is in the forward position (full release)
Otherwise it might trap some air in the brake system.

Ah ok... I'll keep an eye on it, see if I can spot something similar in different lighting situations.

That's actually correct
The BR 110 originally had no cab car control system. Only a few of them were refitted with one, during the mid 90's. But this system doesn't include control of the lights, you actually have to walk back to the loco yourself and set the lights manually on the switchboard of the rear-facing cab.
That's one reason why I vouch for more setup time before departure

 

OK that's weird. When the cab is set in the way you described (main brake to OFF and locked, direct brake released) the brake system on the loco should have no trouble getting rid of the pressure... I don't do it any different. Did you do a brake check when setting up the loco?

 

Went through all of the above. I did find the glitch and it is not a function of simulation: rather, if one uses the keyboard shortcut to "teleport" between cabs, then it hits and the motors won't take power- I would guess something to do with the program getting confused about which driver's position is the active one. If you simply walk to the other end everything works.

 

That's true- on most locos. But beware! The 194 does not act that way; if you leave the lever in the "release" position in the other cab, then when you try to apply the direct brake it will apply - but then rapidly come off again because that open valve is bleeding the air out . So when changing cabs in the 194, leave the loco brake in "hold" - if there is air in the cylinder, use the "drain" pedal on the floor to empty it.

 

I suppose if we want to get really, really fussy, while bringing up a very, VERY easy period-accuracy change (which could still be included in a patch): the 365 shunters should and very easily could be renumbered as 265s, since their reclassification as Kleinloke didn't happen until 1987. I say easy, because it really only amounts to changing the text file which governs road number assignments.

 

That's true, but Vendys was talking specifically about this combo of 110 and n-Wagen cab car.
The cab can't be used in conjunction with the 194 anyway

Sorry to play devil's advocate here again, but the 265 is a totally different loco
What you're thinking of is a 260 or 261. Those were the common iterations of the V 60 in the early 80's. But to represent those correctly, all the stuff for the remote control system (basically this whole box and rack at the rear of the cab) as well as the antenna on the roof and the automatic couplings would need to be removed.

 

Yes this is a pathing problem across the timetable which MUST be fixed. An uncharacteristic lapse from a very good studio- this is unsat. And this isn't the first time from TSG - there are G6 services which remain unplayable to this day for similar reasons.
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Another ubiquitous problem which affects all of TSG's vintage locos: it appears the core game's scoring and notification systems expect "PZB" by name, and if instead it's Indusi or called "Indusi," the game doesn't register it and you get no poiunts for safety systems (and no helpful warnings if you have those turned on)

 

Oops, you're right. I had mistakenly thought the RC installation came first

 

I genuinley cannot reproduce it, I can freely flip between cabs no issue. You just have to make absolute dam sure the power controller is fully off and the reverser is in Off in the cab you are leaving. Otherwise it will not let you play. If you could get a video of you doing it, or even just screenshots if that isn't practical it would be a help just in case one of us is missing something!

 

Another issue which I can't seem to work out, although here I'm pretty sure it's user error. When I change cabs/directions and perform a runaround (in "Koblenz Komplications") there is a permanent brake drag that I simply can't get rid of. It appears to be in the coaches, not the loco; the brake cylinder gauge is at 0. One clue might be the fact that the red reservoir needle is showing 10 kg rather than the 8 it should be, but I can't work it out.

(As an aside, it's rather disingenuous scenario design to give a long series of instructions all the way to Oberhausen with no timings- only then to say "Surprise! This is a timed service!" - and of course by now you're 10-12 minutes late.)

 

These had a higher Main res pressure of 10 Bar in later life as modelled. Having a higher main reservoir pressure won't affect the coaches unless the quick release position has been misused (aka as used).

If you have accidentally overcharged the coaches, unlike a modern loco which usually handles the bleed down for you, you have to methods available to resolve it. You either have to go to the coaches and pull the distributor release handles

Or if the overcharge isn't severe, you can use the regulator adjustment to bring the running pressure up until the coaches have their brakes released, then over the course of say 3 minutes, very slowly wind it back until you return to 0 adjustment.

It goes without saying, pulling the release handles is easier and less likely to mess up!

 

That has to be it. So you're saying never use the overcharge position at all? I wish there was a detent...

But it makes sense - the only way I could run the train like that was to hold the lever in overpressure, which put enough in the system to overcome the coaches' overstuffed brake pipes.

Edit: BTW, congratulations on modeling this loco in such detail- a borderline "expert" release. Come to think of it, there's very little functionality on the old girl that hasn't been modeled, which would qualify for the "expert" tag.

 

Its not that you can't use it, you just have to be careful doing so. A quick wiff of quick release air isn't going to do much, the control reservoirs on the coaches take a bit of time to come up. Simiarly the Auxiliary reservoirs on the loco lag considerably behind the brake pipe. If you've made a sizeable application you can give it a quick blip into Quick release no problem. Similarly if you are charging a train thats been totally drained of air it can also be left in the quick release position for a fair while to speed up filling the air reservoirs of the vehicles, although likely you will need to use the release foot pedal on the loco once you think the first wagon is nearing 5 bar.

Although it is easy to just aim to use the running position, you can get away with never using Quick release at all. I would however not advise using the quick release position to prevent dragging brakes, as all you're going to do is make the problem worse and worse in the long run, and once you reach a certain point your only course of action is to go back and pull all the release handles.

 

Well, that might be a bit confusing...Flix mostly uses former Bimz 264, Bimz 268, ARkimbz 266-waggons, which were (mostly) originated/rebuild from ABm 225, Bm 234, Bm 235. So well, the Flix-waggons (after two rebuilds) may differ quite a lot from the original m-waggons (actually boosting the number of seats up to 100 from originally around 80...).

 

Just on a note, thats not true, provided you have sifa turned on as well you will get full points. So unless theres some strange difference from the development builds which I doubt. The score system doesn't care what its called, only that all safety systems are fully enabled.

and the 110

The PZB hints missing are unfortunatley unavoidable due to the different system, the PZB is only designed to work with PZB not indusi and really the only thing it could tell you anyway is oh yeah acknowledge PZB, and you should probably start slowing down.

 

Hardly fitting on a 1980s route! Wifi, flatscreens and all the modern amenities - these cars were gutted. You can tell that the one DTG copied was derived from a 235 compartment car, because the intercar doors are still off to one side.

 

I'm not kidding, I'm not getting the scoring bonus- and it's definitely on; my last run I got hit with a ZB! Yet I was constantly reminded to "Turn on PZB" to receive full points.

 

I have no Idea I'm afraid, as I say its working on my end, and annoyingly half the youtube videos people don't run with safety systems, and the other half they run with them but hide the score! I will do some digging to see if I can find someone to corroborate and then figure out why there seems to be some strange difference. I assume you do mean the 194 in particular case.

 

Well, Bimz/ARkimbz started to appear in, I think, 1988 (or somewhat around), and there wasn't any WiFi/flatscreens etc. in these waggons...would have really stunned everyone, if in 1988 (or around), you would try to convince anyone about WiFi. (Even, if the most up to date managers back then started to use "mobile phones", in a certain sense...).

 

Yes, but the Talbot rebuilds for Flix have all those things

 

Okay, this time it worked- full points in the 194

 

But another issue: tried to do Conductor on a local (7506 Mainz-Koblenz BR111). This one has a couple of Unbaue at the end.

But after I close doors, I get the instruction "Make sure the doors are closed before proceeding" - which never clears. All the doors are closed, including the manual doors on the oldtimers (I walked the bloody train, twice). What the hell does this instruction want me to do?

EDIT: the problem definitely is the Umbaue. If you simply uncouple them from the n-Wagen, the instruction immediately clears. The problem is somehow associated with their having fully manual doors, and the game not recognizing that they're closed

 

So I finally did it right...... Cabcar ... Fullbrake, Position OFF ... Lock key .... Reverser Off and Out and leave cab .... I go to the locomotive and Reverser .... Unlock brake ..... Release and go to 0 bar ... great

 

PS5 Pro

As I mentioned here, I took the morning train from Koblenz to Boppard and then back to Koblenz, from Koblenz at about 7:02 and back at about 7:40. When entering Boppard Hbf (Platform 3), even though the entrance signal was not red, but slow travel (green, below it yellow) the red magnet was active ...... and conversely, when leaving Koblenz from Platform 3, I had the red magnet active again, even though the signal was not red, but again "slow travel" green, below it yellow.

This doesn't seem right to me or am I wrong about something?

 

The "red" (actually called 500Hz) magnet is (or can be, generally) also active in front of speed restrictions of 30kph and below. You'd probably passed a previous signal announcing to expect slow travel and thus should have already slowed down, now being at a low enough speed to react to the 500Hz magnet here, nothing out of the ordinary here just one more case in which this magnet is prototypically used (ensures you slow down further to make sure you comply with these low speed limits).

 

You're right, it is wrong (if that makes sense)
I noticed it too, forgot to mention it yesterday. The magnet is falsely active. The corresponding signal P3 shows "slow" and the line speed at this point is 40, then 60, then 110 km/h.

Nah, it's the first signal you encounter after leaving the platform in Boppard. There's no speed restriction in sight.

There's another similar but different issue on the previous service, from Koblenz to Boppard. Approaching Boppard, the entrance signal shows a white "3" meaning allowed speed 30 km/h. The corresponding 500Hz magnet is hot because of the speed restriction, as TemporaryAl just described. It caught me by surprise, because the "upcoming speed" indicator panel below the distant signal was completely dark... it should have shown an orange "3".
I slowed down anyway because I knew I had to go to platform 3 at Boppard, but it's a signalling error nonetheless.

 

PS5 Pro

I tried the service with BR110 at 17:06, Train Prepar in Koblenz .... it's a connecting service, for the morning connection to Boppard and back, then you stop at Siding in Koblenz and the continuation is at 17:06.

When the clouds is set below 70%, the problem with the reflection of the headlights on the Cabcar appears, but what's even more interesting is that it only happens with the active train controlled by the player, the next AI train had no problem with it and moreover my move to the platform ended with the train continuing somewhere away from the map as an AI train, and after leaving the locomotive this strange white effect disappeared and the taillights on the Cabcar suddenly became normal "transparent"

That's too high mathematics for me

 

PS5 Pro
I don't know if this happens to you too, but when leaving the seat in a Cabcar or BR110, I often get up and stand somewhere through the roof, and I can't always get out of it. It's very unpleasant......

 

Just a reminder this is the E94/194/LFR 1984 timetable feedback thread, issues with the LFR stock and route should go in the LFR feedback thread just to not clutter things up.

I'm still very much perplex on this one, I got JT Tom to check since he is on a release build and he got full points on the 194. I know there was an issue with the 111 I think it was which was down to I forgot to remove PZB entirely from it, but that got resolved as far as I'm aware. If you can figure out which one still does it let me know as I'm puzzled myself now!

 

Since I encounter these problems when playing the timetable quoted above, in my opinion it is related to the given thread... but thanks for the opinion anyway

 

Got it: it's the 365.



Note that the blue Indusi light is on, and the white Sifa light off, indicating both systems are engaged.

But.....


I was a little late on the trigger, but that "warning" is the "Turn on PZB" reminder

 

The problem is, you're reporting the issue to the wrong people. TSG did not lay the track or place the signals. DTG did that, and it's up to DTG to fix it.

 

Ahh the 365, now that one is 100% my fault, that still has the PZB90 component but it can never be activated. I will look at correcting that.

 

That's odd. What does Mittenwald have to do with the 218?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I own the 218 and got ripped off and can't use it in the rail tour pack because I dont own mittenwalbahn. Talk about shady. I won't be buying a single dlc from dtg anymore

 

This was already the case with Mittenwald. Also, the indusi bonus for the BR 111 doesn't work when reversing (it didn't at Mittenwald, probably on here too)

 

I believe this is because Indusi (IRL) doesn't function in reverse, it simply disengages; the game registers "not on" and so no bonus.

 

A right, so it's realistic. Not ideal from a points scoring perspective though

 

Well you aren't really supposed to be reversing from the blind end anyway! You off course can, but since Indusi is inactive if something were to happen you would likely be getting a stern talking to! So... think of it as a penalty for cutting corners!

 

Backing up without prover supervision by a second crewmember??? TSK TSK TSK. Bad...

 

Got me there

 

I just brought some freight from Bingen to Koblenz with the 194, and since it's about 35°C here I set the dynamic weather to light rain, just to remember how rain used to look like
Also, my first ride through rain in the 194! I set up the loco and turned on the wiper (the little handwheel and the connector rod can get quite hypnotising after a while ).
Had light to moderate rain all the way to Kolbenz, nonstop. Wiper was on all the time. Upon completion, I got points deducted for not using wipers during the first quarter (roughly from Bingen to Oberwesel) and the last quarter (approximately from Spay to Koblenz) of the journey. I couldn't care less about points honestly, just wanted to bring it to attention. Gonna test another service in the rain and see if it happens again.
Other than that, driving the 194 through rain is fun! Really sets a certain mood.

And yeah, this wiper-friendly camera position we talked about already would be much appreciated. It's not so much an issue while raining, but I'm already dreading winter...

 

Hmm, I think we have found an achilles heel of the of the scoring system with these wipers, it can't handle locos with just manual wipers,or the type that the 194 has... I'm not sure how I'm going to fix that one! Think something really stupid will be required..

 

I know this may be some stretch but it would be nice if the 218 and the stuff from Mittenwaldbahn could be intreoduced into Left Rhine for Gen8 one way or the other as well.

 

If it's that much of a hassle, I'd say don't put too much work into it. It's not a big deal, and the problem only seems to pop up sporadically. On my first run in the rain, it appeared in the first and last quarter, while the middle half was fine. On my second run it didn't appear at all

On a sidenote to DTG:
Has Dynamic Weather gotten somewhat better lately? I noticed that a couple of times, but my latest run with the 194 is a good example.
-Started at Koblenz with light rain
-Rain stopped just north of Boppard, still quite cloudy
-Light rain came in again after passing the Loreley
-Stopped raining again at Bingen, sun came out a little more
-Started raining again near Uhlerborn and worsened gradually until Mainz
That's what I call dynamic

 

Do you really need to grade people on windshield wiper use?
Seems a bit unique to the individual.
You're not graded on how well you brake or accelerate (passenger comfort), and this is even less important.
I wouldn't worry about it.
It's only an issue if you want more points, right?

 

Did the scenario from Bingen to Oberwesel and back to Mainz yesterday. I must say, it was an amazing trip. I really enjoyed shunting around in Oberwesel and being overtaken by faster trains en route.

If I may suggest for future scenarios, I'd like to recommend doing rides with a shorter time as well. A mix between 30 minutes and 2 hours would be great and be most suitable for shorter evening sessions.

What would definitely improve the immersion on the LR was if the ABn and Bn Mint coaches were replaced with Silberlinge, which exists from the Mittenwaldbahn. The driver cab car is obviously another story. I figured out further, if the Am203 and especially Bm234 and Bm235 were existing, it would be enough to close gaps especially with D-Zug and IC. The 234 and 235 are the same chassis, with different wheel bogies.

Keep it up. Great job.

Kind regards.

 

Well, there we have TSG's next homework assignment: build m-Wagen! Together with a 140, they will have the backbone of DBB in place for almost any vintage route.