Loco Br 194 / E94 Railtour Pack Feedback Thread

vendys#6021 I tried both services myself and had no issue with the brakes. Did you perhaps not put the loco brake to "release" when leaving the cab? That's easy to forget
On a sidenote: I really enjoyed these two services. A very good example of how much fun this timetable can be when everything works!

Regarding the cab car: I don't have any issues with the lights, looks fine to me...

And the little spots on the windows aren't raindrops, but dirt. Realism
The AI on the other hand still got this old issue with the cab car lights. They are driving around with only the top one lit up, the lower ones are dark (they are casting a cone of light though).

The white indicator panels on the 218 are not a lighting issue though... they're just white. (same on the red version)
I spawned it on an older route with old-style lighting (Main-Spessart), same result:

Also, I noticed the clock isn't working. Correct time would have been 10:01. I'm gonna do more testing under which circumstances this happens.

 

When I was leaving the cab car, I put the Brake in the OFF position and locked the brake lock ... so that's probably wrong

Lights cabcar...... on the PS5 Pro it does this weird white effect ...... But it seems to me, when you show the photo, that it's not in the sun, it seems to me that it's already in the shade .....so maybe that's why it's visible normally

218 ... I didn't think it was lights, but it's a transparent material, in the tunnel the white effect disappears on the 218, it shows some indicators, they are some displays, but it has the same effect as the exterior headlights on the cab car

BR110 ... And one more detail, trains led by a cabcar... so the taillights on BR110 are off

 

I tried again, I arrive at Boppard on the siding, when leaving the cabcar the brake position cannot be locked other than in the OFF position, the direct brake is in the release position. I get into the locomotive, adjust it, and when I want to release the brakes, it still hangs at 1bar and I don't move with it ...... if of course I start the direct service starting with the Boppard - Koblenz service at 7:40, then everything is OK This can reliably annoy me ..... when something is not going well for me, and I don't know why ... Even the taillights on the cabcar didn't have that white effect in sunlight ... as if it was only sensitive to a certain combination during ... sunlight

EDIT: And one more thing... at the entrance to Boppard, Signal A1 and an active red magnet in front of it, but there was no red one there.....

 

Not wrong at all, that's the correct way to do it. But you also have to make sure that the "loco" brake, the uppermost lever, is in the forward position (full release)
Otherwise it might trap some air in the brake system.

Ah ok... I'll keep an eye on it, see if I can spot something similar in different lighting situations.

That's actually correct
The BR 110 originally had no cab car control system. Only a few of them were refitted with one, during the mid 90's. But this system doesn't include control of the lights, you actually have to walk back to the loco yourself and set the lights manually on the switchboard of the rear-facing cab.
That's one reason why I vouch for more setup time before departure

 

OK that's weird. When the cab is set in the way you described (main brake to OFF and locked, direct brake released) the brake system on the loco should have no trouble getting rid of the pressure... I don't do it any different. Did you do a brake check when setting up the loco?

 

Went through all of the above. I did find the glitch and it is not a function of simulation: rather, if one uses the keyboard shortcut to "teleport" between cabs, then it hits and the motors won't take power- I would guess something to do with the program getting confused about which driver's position is the active one. If you simply walk to the other end everything works.

 

That's true- on most locos. But beware! The 194 does not act that way; if you leave the lever in the "release" position in the other cab, then when you try to apply the direct brake it will apply - but then rapidly come off again because that open valve is bleeding the air out . So when changing cabs in the 194, leave the loco brake in "hold" - if there is air in the cylinder, use the "drain" pedal on the floor to empty it.

 

I suppose if we want to get really, really fussy, while bringing up a very, VERY easy period-accuracy change (which could still be included in a patch): the 365 shunters should and very easily could be renumbered as 265s, since their reclassification as Kleinloke didn't happen until 1987. I say easy, because it really only amounts to changing the text file which governs road number assignments.

 

That's true, but Vendys was talking specifically about this combo of 110 and n-Wagen cab car.
The cab can't be used in conjunction with the 194 anyway

Sorry to play devil's advocate here again, but the 265 is a totally different loco
What you're thinking of is a 260 or 261. Those were the common iterations of the V 60 in the early 80's. But to represent those correctly, all the stuff for the remote control system (basically this whole box and rack at the rear of the cab) as well as the antenna on the roof and the automatic couplings would need to be removed.

 

Yes this is a pathing problem across the timetable which MUST be fixed. An uncharacteristic lapse from a very good studio- this is unsat. And this isn't the first time from TSG - there are G6 services which remain unplayable to this day for similar reasons.
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Another ubiquitous problem which affects all of TSG's vintage locos: it appears the core game's scoring and notification systems expect "PZB" by name, and if instead it's Indusi or called "Indusi," the game doesn't register it and you get no poiunts for safety systems (and no helpful warnings if you have those turned on)

 

Oops, you're right. I had mistakenly thought the RC installation came first

 

I genuinley cannot reproduce it, I can freely flip between cabs no issue. You just have to make absolute dam sure the power controller is fully off and the reverser is in Off in the cab you are leaving. Otherwise it will not let you play. If you could get a video of you doing it, or even just screenshots if that isn't practical it would be a help just in case one of us is missing something!

 

Another issue which I can't seem to work out, although here I'm pretty sure it's user error. When I change cabs/directions and perform a runaround (in "Koblenz Komplications") there is a permanent brake drag that I simply can't get rid of. It appears to be in the coaches, not the loco; the brake cylinder gauge is at 0. One clue might be the fact that the red reservoir needle is showing 10 kg rather than the 8 it should be, but I can't work it out.

(As an aside, it's rather disingenuous scenario design to give a long series of instructions all the way to Oberhausen with no timings- only then to say "Surprise! This is a timed service!" - and of course by now you're 10-12 minutes late.)

 

These had a higher Main res pressure of 10 Bar in later life as modelled. Having a higher main reservoir pressure won't affect the coaches unless the quick release position has been misused (aka as used).

If you have accidentally overcharged the coaches, unlike a modern loco which usually handles the bleed down for you, you have to methods available to resolve it. You either have to go to the coaches and pull the distributor release handles

Or if the overcharge isn't severe, you can use the regulator adjustment to bring the running pressure up until the coaches have their brakes released, then over the course of say 3 minutes, very slowly wind it back until you return to 0 adjustment.

It goes without saying, pulling the release handles is easier and less likely to mess up!

 

That has to be it. So you're saying never use the overcharge position at all? I wish there was a detent...

But it makes sense - the only way I could run the train like that was to hold the lever in overpressure, which put enough in the system to overcome the coaches' overstuffed brake pipes.

Edit: BTW, congratulations on modeling this loco in such detail- a borderline "expert" release. Come to think of it, there's very little functionality on the old girl that hasn't been modeled, which would qualify for the "expert" tag.

 

Its not that you can't use it, you just have to be careful doing so. A quick wiff of quick release air isn't going to do much, the control reservoirs on the coaches take a bit of time to come up. Simiarly the Auxiliary reservoirs on the loco lag considerably behind the brake pipe. If you've made a sizeable application you can give it a quick blip into Quick release no problem. Similarly if you are charging a train thats been totally drained of air it can also be left in the quick release position for a fair while to speed up filling the air reservoirs of the vehicles, although likely you will need to use the release foot pedal on the loco once you think the first wagon is nearing 5 bar.

Although it is easy to just aim to use the running position, you can get away with never using Quick release at all. I would however not advise using the quick release position to prevent dragging brakes, as all you're going to do is make the problem worse and worse in the long run, and once you reach a certain point your only course of action is to go back and pull all the release handles.