Seems the only person here in disdain is you considering you're the only one being offensive to people. Probably because you know you're wrong but are desperately trying to "win" this stupid "argument"
I think it would be pretty interesting in terms of stock, especially as we already have the majority of it in-game (IETs, HSTs, 165 (if it runs that far west) 158s, 150s, 66s) and people are speculating a Voyager to come so let us include it for the sake of it. It won't be as jam-packed as WCML:South but not a quiet timetable either. Maybe close to Peterborough - Doncaster? I'll have a look at the 2024 WTT for you tomorrow.
Folks, it's Thursday night, and I'm sure you can find better things to do than argue about semantics on the internet. I'll close this thread for now to let tempers cool down and potentially reopen it at a later point. For now, please remember to stay kind and respectful in your interactions here. All the best, Jan
Moving things swiftly back on topic, my final consideration for the TSW6 route pack are as follows: UK - Exeter to Paignton Riviera Line, plus Newton Abbot to Plymouth to round out the mileage as the first section, while scenic, is relatively short. New train will be a GWR Cucumber with bonus a Cross Country 220/221. Germany - assuming it is Germany and not Austria or Holland, I’m actually going with Berlin S-Bahn with both the Ringbahn and “Heart” sections as featured in TSC. Two types of train, one will be with the route the other as DLC. USA - still going with Florida, SunRail out of Miami to somewhere. Not sure on trains but something core to the passenger operations and maybe DLC of the MP15 from Caltrain, reskinned (assuming it sees any use by operators on those lines). Now to sit back and find I probably got 0/3 right on the above.
I really hope you got 2/3 right. Anything that goes through either Newton Abbot or Berlin and I'll buy it in the hope that it's decent. Apart from that I really can't think of much more I want, I have so much other DLC now. Maybe something around either Salisbury, Worcester or Sheffield might catch my eye for the UK as I've lived in all 3. I'm really more interested in what new trains we get and not so much the routes.
Didn't they say Berlin was off the table? I'd like a route out of Sheffield, personally. Got a few options there too. Whilst I don't think they'd do Hope Valley to Manchester Picadilly so soon after MAC, (Plus that'd be 3 routes into/out of Picadilly), they could chose to go towards Derby, Nottingham, Lincoln, Doncaster or Leeds
Three of those would be MML so unlikely I'd think Doncaster would be rather short, its only like 3 miles away (yes this is an exaggeration, sue me) Lincoln/towards Worksop would be interesting
I haven't a clue about what's coming on Tuesday, but, as far as the US route is concerned ( if there is one ), I fervently hope that it's not another part of the NEC or Mami- West Palm Beach or yet another Metrolink commuter route. I would be over the Moon if it is a freight route and, at this point I don't care where it is.
Just to throw my hat in the ring with more of a wishlist than predictions UK - Chiltern Mainline: London Marylebone - Banbury/Oxford Bit of a longer idea and not really a big UK mainline but would be my dream route in game EU - Geneve Aeroport - Martigny Again quite far but a route I travelled on earlier this month and as it follows around the lake it would be such a beautiful view US - I have much knowledge on US routes but I hear the cries for a freight route. Maybe another rogue shout could be a Mexican route using the HSTs? Definitely in dreamland with these three routes
I live from around this area and would love to shed some light on this. If we were to get a route from Exeter - Plymouth with the Paignton branch, generally most of GWRs rolling stock run on this bit. GWR's 800 series, 158, 150, and 166 all run on this route as well as CX Voyagers. There is a variety of service patterns with most IETs doing fast runs from Paddington - Plymouth or Penzance that stop at only a handful of stations of the route. Occasionally, some IETs go down to Paignton and stop at some stations intermediate on the route. If the route was set just a few years ago, DTG could include the Castle Class sets that went from Cardiff - Penzance, stopping at a few stations on route. Generally there are a mix of 150s, 158s, and 166s doing local commuter services from Paignton and Exmouth, but you do get the odd service coming up or going down to Plymouth and Penzance, but generally only in the morning or late evening. I know I'm getting greedy but if DTG were to add in Exeter Central station too which is only a stones throw away from St Davids, they could add in the Barnstaple and Okehampton services ran by class 150s and 158s that terminate at Exeter Central. That way, there is some turn back action as well for those who like that. Overall, I think it could make for a really interesting timetable if this was the core route.
Could the UK route be something like Birmingham-Reading? Know it's just a bit too long, but both XC and GWR services could run on that route and they've already got both end terminals.
In terms of US content, I usually only really like exclusively UK content, however there are a few exceptions like LIRR, Boston to Worcester, NEC that I do like and appeal to me. However I would love to see part of the Brightline routes with high speed running.
Don't know why, but I've been thinking that at least one of the three core routes will be historic! Rail 200 year, of course! Maybe not steam based, but something classic diesel. Seems likely that one could be the UK... And remain skeptical about US route presence this year, unfortunately... Let's hope, but as always, keep your expectations low, guys! PS. That ambassador who said "some of you will be happy" really opened my mind... Maybe classic rail enthusiasts? Fingers crossed!
Fair point about Sheffield to Doncaster, to be honest towards Lincoln would be my personal preference over the other options having travelled between Worksop and Sheffield a few times Fair point
That looks like my local commuter line. No wonder I spill my coffee almost every morning and my beer in the afternoon. They've been laying new ties recently though, that should improve the ride.
I'll give my guesses... - Some London Underground route with S Stock, as this is why the Mildmay Route extension to Richmond was not done earlier. Of course, you could use the existing D Stock, but who knows... - MML Blackfriars to Bedford with 221 and existing stock - ECML London to Peterborough, merging with the existing section (expect the unexpected, route merger...)
Iirc the issue with Berlin is more for Mainline routes as Berlin lacks any proper end-point within a reasonable distance, the best being somewhere like Potsdam which is just an S-Bahn line away from Berlin. I imagine the Ringbahn's biggest issue would just be the sheer number of lines that it crosses paths with and the number of layers coming from that.
sheffield derby i would like to see as skyhook expansion of there DNL route. in my own little world with a little assistance from JT in terms of reference material after the excellent job they did in TSC. i do think skyhook could really make something of their base route if they went down the same route (no pun intended) as JT did in TSC especially with the same timetable and route hopping. sheffield lincoln now there is no major coal traffic is a rather bland route for me with its hour + local stoppers and not much else. i got board on that section when i used to got to waddington for the airshow and nato exercises, made worse in the week day mornings when for part of the journey it was like being on a school bus with all the kids. hope valley and doncaster to me would fall in line if skyhook expanded from derby to sheffield. i would like to see the hope valley in there but as it is now there is no stock (class 66 aside) that is ready out the box to run, same on the doncaster line. indeed ive got the DNL route for the layers on MAC and there is still no appeal to it due to the lack of stock and that i still have JTs TSC route with far more variation. shame as the hope valley is my local route and i would like to see it done. only route for me out of Sheffield is the woodhead line but which era, BR blue, victoria would be closed and derelict and it would be freight only, but you do have a good amount of stock for it. go the mid 60s it would take some work but has the base to be a very good steam diesel electric route with a vast scale of variation in stock and service mixes. my only fear is it would end up like the TSC version which to be polite was C**P and i think that was down to deadlines and rushing the route out too soon
It's mainly guessing/wishing than prediction: UK: West Coastway or another London Underground route CE (central europe): Wiener S-Bahn Liesing - Floridsdorf (Vienna, Austria) US: Another Metrolink route or another NEC route.
None of the Florida Commuter rails run any switchers. SunRail only has MP32PH-Q's and Bombardier Bi-Levels Tri-Rail mainly has their unique BL36PH's and a handful of GP49H-3 (Being retired after this year) F40PHR-3C's, and F40PHM-3c'S
The best Berlin route would have to implement the Stadtbahn Viaduct which I doubt the game would be able to do justice to. A full S9 or S1 route would be great but I can't see it happening. Using the Underground Mainline through HBF And Potsdamer Platz would be fine but then you make the great point of where do you go?? I'd take the Ringbahn though!
I was playing on the MML route the other day in timetable mode. Set the date to late August and did a 1930ish run. Loaded in and it was pitch black,totally unrealistic. I wish for TSW6 they fix this so it’s more immersive. Not having a rant or a go however as I love this game and played 497H alone on TSW5 (20.7 days straight)
Expect the unexpected. It'll be a popular extension to an existing mainline route that'll make full use of route and an all new Timetable journey hopping function where it meets the existing route. Reading to Bristol or Cardiff; Peterborough to London; Victoria to Gillingham; Milton Keynes to Birmingham; Doncaster to Newcastle; Cardiff to Swansea; East Croydon to Bedford; The really unexpected additional DLC for release later in 2025; Brighton Main Line to either get an update with Class 700 or a backdated version with 319s and 423s.
All of those would be good, though I would still like to see TVL go to Boulby, Bishop Auckland and maybe Sunderland via the Coast.
That would be an excellent route to update, or maybe backdate to the early 60s and add now closed routes to Durham, Middleton-in-Teesdale and Wearhead. The Weardale and Teesdale route in TSC is sublime.
Now we are talking. Bring Mr Derek back out of retirement so he can bring his skill and wisdom to bear on the project.
The cool thing about this suggestion would be if you run late on the first run (e.g. London to Peterborough) you are loaded in at the same time as the matching timetable service on Peterborough to Doncaster and then deal with any consequences of running late from Peterborough.
They’ve said multiple times they are never touching BML ever again. It’s too complex and can only just hold together as it is.
i'm going for Doncaster to Birmingham. cross country licence and three options for route hopping. Think its too long though at about 1.30 drive
Well the unofficial official leak (see other thread) would seem to point to the UK route being something GWR and the European one a Dutch line. Nothing further on the US.
Reading through this thread has been very interesting with a lot of interesting predictions. UK Route wise, I think GWR and possibly the SWR are very strong guesses. Both make sense and have been highly requested. German Route, personally I think we've gotten a lot of German content recently and I'm curious to see if they branch away from that slightly. Maybe something like in Austria, Switzerland, Italy, or maybe even like Sweden or Denmark. I am curious to see what they unveil! US Route wise, reading some of the thoughts about there not being a US route, I believe that to be a possibility, sadly. I would love more US content, specifically something Amtrak like Surfline or Cascades, or Brightline/Tri-Rail in Florida, but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't anything. Someone mentioned that there might be licensing for Tri-Rail. I don't know if this is true or not, but that would be interesting. The other thought, going off the "Expect the Unexpected" thing, maybe something in Canada? Like GO Transit and/or VIA Rail? Would be extremely unexpected! This will be a very exciting release and I am curious to see what they do and I really hope a new US route is included and hopefully in a new region in the US!
Think there’s a real shout of this being the UK route. It all fits now we pretty much know what area and license they are going with. 52 miles. Good variety of stations. 2 natural stopping points. Lots of service variety. Good AI opportunities. And most importantly if they follow last years model they can use that XC license and use the 220 as the deluxe option.
