I've had the same situation with tsc. I'm like 50% done and someone has approached me saying they are almost ready to publish the same route. It's never been a problem for me, I've just changed the period of mine.
Sad to hear that man, was looking forward to this route, hopefully the official one is as good as yours looks.
Well if you have only done work around the Oulton Broad area then why not head off towards Ipswich instead of Norwich? You'd get the nuclear freight branch to Sizewell plus the Felixstowe branch joining at Westerfield. Then you can have all sorts of services at Ipswich. Sounds like a winner to me
I thought about that, however, I stopped at something else. I hope you’ll hear about it before long. And thank you for the support.
No problem with giving you my support. The work you have done so far is superb and, being someone who originated in Suffolk, I was looking forward to seeing ex-GER buildings become available.
Good luck with your future project, youve demonstrated a wonderful eye for detail, I think everyone who’s seen your screenshots will want to see you succeed in creating a route. Whoever is doing Wherry Lines has been shown a very high benchmark for the route visuals. I hope they’re genuine and not just mucking you about. Disappointing DTG didn’t respond in any way.
Thank you! Don’t be disappointed, this is my mistake and maybe I should’ve said it earlier so people wouldn’t think they didn’t , they did.
Anyone else like me wondering where this supposed official route is? It's been long enough. This route could have been finished by now.
Was thinking about this as well. I wonder if Rivet are constructing it for TSW7? Would be great to have it in the sim.
Potentially, but they've also stepped up their game in recent times. The Riviera Line looks visually pleasing, and I haven't noticed any bugs in my time of playing it. I think as long as DTG are watching over them they will be fine. Edit: I take that back.
Hence why I used the word potential, they seemed to have upped their quality control but still have a ability to make a mess of something
was that ever confirmed by DTG? I don't remember a Wherry Lines route getting confirmed.. Might have been a rumour
Could be ATS. They gave this network an update to its modern state in TSC last year. They will have done research on this and the Stadlers that serve it. I feel gutted for you alex#5853 all that work you've put in and it was looking so good.
For a branded one yes, however, Greater Anglia is now under the control of the DfT so it should in theory be easier for a licence to be granted. As for the train, it's usually an access matter but ATS have already made Class 745 and 755 for TSC with authentic sounds. The one issue with doing this in the modern era would be the lack of variety. All 755 apart from RHTT workings a few drags to the yard at Great Yarmouth. One dated towards the end of the hauled-sets era would be far more interesting and, yes, that would include the excellent 156s.
that wont allow stadler who own the rights to the units though. DFT own the running of the line not the stock that it uses that is owned by stadler who will need to grant a license for the flirts to be used and created.
You're jumping to massive assumptions to prove your point. 1. Do you know whether ATS got permission from Stadler to release their TSC packs? 2. Do you know whether negotiations are underway to do likewise with a TSW release? 3. What is the actual legal position in the UK regarding manufacturers making model/3D gaming trains, planes and trucks? 4. What is the current position between DTG and the DfT regarding licencing of former TOC liveries? 5. Do the former TOCs retain the rights. 6. Is every situation the same? (I doubt it). I can't answer any of questions 1-5 because I'm not in receipt of such legally and commercially sensitive information and I doubt you are too. You remind me of staff who've worked for me who'd spend 20 minutes telling me why they don't have time to do a 10 minute job.
I’m pretty certain that vehicles like cars and trains or actually anything that is “utilitarian” in nature is actually not protected by copyright. According to Wikimedia Commons, copyright law only applies to “artistic works” and utilitarian objects such as vehicles are not considered “artistic works”
That sounds about right, the train is not protected but branding on the train is. Obviously not getting a licence and therefore not having the full co-operation of the operator makes route and rolling stock development harder, but it doesn't make it impossible. The Greater Anglia 710s at Stratford are a perfect example, the actual livery is correct, just no branding. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure ATS didn't work with GA on their Stadler packs but that wouldn't have prevented them speaking with drivers, possibly even taking interior images of the cabs.
Wow. How did I miss this ??. I was completely unaware this route was being made… It looked amazing too.
Not jumping to assumptions. To answer your questions though. 1. yes ATS clearly had permission from Stadler they wouldn’t have released the flirt if they didn’t for TSC 2. No I don’t and neither do you so your point is invalid 3. the legal permission is the same if not stronger than. Copyright. If you don’t own the legal rights to something then you require permission from said owner to create a product they or the rights to the same as branding. 4. ask DTG I can provide you the email address to its support if you need help with that. Or you can look up the website. 5. former tocs won’t as they have nothing to do with the contract now. All rights to said contracted go to the new owners. 6. Yes every situation is the same permission is needed from whoever owns what sometimes this is granted free after seeking permission sometimes there is a charge for a license and an agreement goes into place for what can be used and when. For example you could have a license issued to use a certain piece of stock on one route. You make another route that uses the same stock the license can’t be used for the new route as it wasn’t part of the agreement so either the license needs to be updated or you need to apply for a nice license.
Depends on the TOC. IIRC AP ran into some issues with Virgin, and as a result you don't see Virgin branding even through their supplied branding patches.
Exactly this so a license or permission won’t always be granted. However virgin allow just trains to use branding on its voyager as it came as standard so they did approve to some it seems
wrong yet again. The designer and manufacturer of stock own the rights to it. And in this instance that is Stadler. So you need permission form them directly to create and release a flirt
Without using AI or a search engine...what is your understanding of what the scope is of "all rights to the design", "all rights to engineering" and "all rights to the branding"? For example; If you were to draw a Stadler Flirt and put in online, would you have breached those generic legal terms? And given that the law can change from one jurisdiction to another, which country's case law are you applying that to? Is case law in the US (which Google often uses) the same as it is in the UK? Have a good think about your answers, because you never know when you're interacting with a Lloyd's of London Claims Adjuster with two decades of dealing with IP court cases worldwide, for example. A general guide for everyone. A legal expert would have started with "It's a bit more complicated than that", random internet people who think AI is always right will start with "No. You're wrong, I just typed it into Chat GPT and now I'm an expert".
drawing and putting it online isn’t a problem drawing and charging for it would be a problem as you are charging money for it. So as you seem to know the subject, can you tell us what can and can’t be done please. let me ask a question which is a simple yes or no answer. If I was a developer. Can I take a Stadler flirt make it in a 3d program. Script it all. Apply a livery to it and the upload it to an online store and sell for money ??? Genuine question always an interesting topic with regards branding and rights etc with the sim so if I am wrong I like to admit it so can you shed some light with regards to it if you know.
I'll admit I've not had to put up with them regularly but they were far less drafty in cold weather than the 150s. To my eyes, they're also the cleanest/smartest of the MK3-derived EMU/DMU designs. My Lima 00-scale one was also far better than my Class 142. I gave the latter away to a mate.
They were horrendous in summer, suffering from overheating and overcrowding, not to mention the foul smell. 755s are a league above them in my opinion
My only memory of them in the warmer months was on my annual trip to the Chappel beer festival and those memories are a little sketchy. Totally agree on the Stadlers though and if there was a choice I'd prefer to drive a 755 over a 156 in TSW. Looking out of windows at clouds is one of my hobbies, so the bigger the windscreen the better.
