Route Morristown Line New York & Hoboken - Dover - Feedback

Where the route crosses over I-280, just west of Orange, traffic is present but is unfortunately driving on the left, UK-style.

Edit: the road striping is wrong as well, but I don't get fussed about road striping in TSW because those mistakes are everywhere and not really worth the effort.

However, something I did notice was the infamous "East 2" and "City/Downtown/Services" overhead signs on I-280 in Harrison where it runs just north of the tracks. This sign is meaningless garbage. I noticed that the Mass Pike got nice signs in BOW, but we didn't get that here. Of course this portion was recycled from the original NYC route so that explains it, but I would prefer at the very least that this nonsense sign is just removed to leave an empty gantry than to ever have to see it again. It's a real eyesore.

 

I have some observations about the safety systems that I am wondering about. Sometimes I will brake to suppression and silence the alarm, but then I release the brakes too early and the alarm sounds again. What I have found is that I have to brake to suppression again to silence the alarm, even if my speed has by this point dropped below the target. I guess what I want to know is whether or not this is correct. It seems to me that you should be able to silence the alarm if you are under the target speed, no matter what state your brakes are in. But perhaps this is just how these trains are set up?

Something else that I am pretty sure is wrong is that I occasionally have to activate the brakes to clear an alarm even if I am already under the target speed. For instance, I was driving at 28 mph with no ATC enforcement and then passed a signal for ATC at 45 mph. I could not clear the alarm until I made a minimal brake application, even though I was already travelling much slower than the restriction. I would also note that I did not need suppression to silence this alarm, just a minimal brake application. Also, I thought I was supposed to get 8 seconds to react to an alarm, but in my experience it has been more like 6 seconds, which can make a big difference when you are trying to time the brakes just right. Overall the signals and safety systems on the route are excellent, but I am starting to think that the alarm might need a little polishing.

Also I know this has already been mentioned, but perhaps is worth repeating, that the alerter for the Arrow seems to just be going off on a timer, like Sifa. I don't know if that's correct or not but the general consensus seems to be that it is not and may need to be looked at as well.

 

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1. So IRL, if you are in suppression and you accidentally release from suppression before you are under target speed, you SHOULD be getting an instant penalty brake. That means this specific behavior in the game is incorrect. I guess be glad it doesn't do that to you in the sim and that you even get a second chance to suppress lol.

2. I personally have not encountered this issue. I will frequently brake in anticipation of cab drops I know are coming, and I am always able to silence the alarm just by pressing the acknowledge button if I'm already under the target speed. What equipment are you seeing this with?

3. This is an issue I ticketed weeks ago, so in theory, DTG should be aware of this. Feel free to ticket again if you think it's necessary.

 

How the xbox one version is anybody else seeing the new train looking bleach out on the outside?

 

1. Lol thanks that's good info and very much appreciated

2. This was in the cab car during its scenario in journey mode. I feel like it has happened before in the cab car but I will pay closer attention so I can be more detailed if it happens again.

3. Understood, thanks again

 

I have noticed that there are Arrow III services that go the whole route... it does have only simple displays so I wonder, the only way I am going to notice the power change will be when the power just cuts out?

edit: do I understand this correctly now, after some deliberation lol - Hoboken to Dover is 25 kV and NY Penn to Kearney / before Newark Broad Street is 12 kV? ... so thats why Arror III can do the whole thing from Dover to Hoboken?

edit no.2: whats the real maximum operational speed of Arrow III? on wiki it says 80-100 mph

edit no.3: what does "suppression" on Arrow III depend on? I mean, like at what point does it appear on the screen? Does it depend on speed and brake percentage or the pressure? Cos I guess depending on speed it appears at different auto.brake percentage

 

The deadman alerter on the Arrow is barely audible.

 

So how did get on that then 1st place im sorry im a bit confused.

 

Yes, the line voltage only changes if you're going between the Morristown Line and the NEC.

As simulated, the Arrows are limited in operation to 80 mph due to risk of overheating bearings at higher speeds. This is a design flaw that cropped up after they were rebuilt with their current AC traction package.

Suppression appears at the same point on the Arrows as it does everything else; at 95 psi or less on the brake pipe. In terms of the brake handle position, this is at roughly 50% application on the handle.

 

IRL there are two pools of Arrow equipment; 25kV Hoboken division Arrows that stay exclusively on M&E / MOBO services into and out of Hoboken, and 12kV Newark division Arrows which run exclusively on the NEC and some NJCL trains as far as South Amboy. Cars may transfer between the two divisions but only after being towed dead to the MMC / Morrisville yard and having their transformer tap changer manually adjusted to the correct voltage.

 

The alerter alarm starts out at a low volume and progressively gets louder until you either acknowledge it, or fail to and the train goes into penalty braking.

 

Ahh OK thank you for that info understand now. Now should they layer into new york/trenton route.

 

Hello,

ok I tried the route on Series X, don't know if the things were reported yet:
1. When you start a time table at Penn Station with the ALP45 and 46 the train derails (right word?) immediately after loading. The train crashes.
2. The Red signal lights of the NJT-Cab are off. You have to walk all the way back and switch them on. So you loose much time.
3. The upper display in the NJT Cab is not dimmable

Sorry if already reported

 

There is no buttons combination on Xbox for teleporting between cabs like on PC?

I'd like to add that on this route the time for train preparation is incredibly short (30 seconds?). It would be great if it were doubled.

 

1. They are a couple of services that are known to derail at start. Do you happen to know the service number?
2. That issue is know and is open on Jira (internal bug reporting)
3. That issue is know and is open on Jira (internal bug reporting)

 

warning at Maplewood station there stairs that go down to hallway and each end seem to be blocked but it not and you will fall though the map

 

ok, I willl check it next time I run a service here ... from your experience so far, is it implemented ok?

 

Yes, I've never had an issue suppressing a cab drop on the Arrows. Just go to 50-55% brake on the handle and mash the acknowledge button and you should be fine.

 

Back in the Quiver.. How did this get through QA? Has anyone even played this scenario bevor release?

 

this has been mentioned several times already. As mentioned before this was bugged early on development. this was from one of the beta testers that was able to complete the scenario. "Did the scenario myself, did wonder why have to pass this section of track .But did completed the scenario with enough speed to pass that bit into the complex yard before the end". hope this helps.

 

Also what is it with the weird almost snow white ballast texture that keeps appearing at intervals on the route? It's not even blended into the predominant adjacent grey ballast, just an abrupt transition. It looks tacky and awful, more like a poorly built model railway than an attempt to depict the real thing.

 

Vern this is something we mentioned early on development about the change in color of the ballast is too abrupt. IRL Morristown did have many sections of new ballast. Unfortunately it didn't come out as intended. Here's an area of the ballast between Summit and short hills.

 

I see what you mean. The problem does seem to be the choice of texture is too white, almost like gypsum which is then not helped by the uniform texture which really ballast never looks like and the sharp edges. I didn’t want to come over unduly harsh, but the EP or whoever supervises the route building needs to put this back with instructions to change the texture to something more subtle and ensure the edges are blended. It kind of makes the route unplayable.

 

I can't recall if it works for the ACSES display too, but for the HUD you can get it to go away by forcing a penalty brake application, this changes the red Overspeed circle to a Penalty Brake one, then acknowledge/clear as normal and it will turn off.

 

"Unplayable" is a bit dramatic.... Does it take you out of immersion a little? Maybe, but to say it's game breaking is an exaggeration. Unplayable would be the cab signaling system being completely wrong or sending an electric train down a non-electrified track.

 

I did say “kind of” unplayable. But it would be more realistic if the texture on the white ballast was toned down and properly blended. The 45DP loco also has issues which adds to this route shining less brightly (apart from those awful ballast textures) than it should.

 

Uh I don't know the service number, but it was in the evening starting from Penn Station.
I also noticed, there is no aircondition sound in the 45DP! Not gameplay relevant but nice for realism.

But all in all a very cool locomotive! Would be great if we get a German Pendant like the Dual Vectron

 

ohh, dual Vectron hell yeah... but even more nice would be more passenger services for Vectron... in Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia... it is becoming one of the dominant locos in a lot of EU countries since it is so versatile

 

Do the Amtrak layers such as the Acela and ACS-64 use the reduced timetable from New York - Trenton? It seems there is barely any Amtrak trains in Penn anytime I arrive during any time of day. I remember there being tons of Amtrak stock on the improved timetable. Is this a case where they used the reduced to help Gen 8 consoles?

 

Im on xbox x and penn is full all the time with amtrak train, LIRR trains and NJT trains.

 

As far as I'm aware the NEC section TT on Morristown is a copy of the extended NYT TT.

 

yes, please, we need vectron dual-mode

 

So after some more runs I can confirm that passengers on low platforms are boarding only Arrows(except Millburn - it's broken), they don't wanna go in Multilevels.
Even stupid TSW passengers knows who's the star of the show.

How do Arrows actually stop at high platforms? You know, those little high platforms on the edge. Should I try to get the middle door onto them, or stop before them as the game indicated?

 

Good thing DTG would never let something like that slip through QA......

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I just ran into this. It's weird seeing the map like that!

 

When driving the 'no power, no problem' scenario, you are prompted to switch do diesel mode at Secaucus junction. The prompt 'press fault reset for 6 seconds' has a longer time to complete than the actual activation of diesel mode: so the train does go on diesel mode, but the prompt doesn't clear.

Furthermore, after loading a previous save standing at station, the train wouldn't take power. Solved this by putting the reverser in neutral and back in forward before applying power.

 

The mini-high platforms are only used when there are ADA boardings. Otherwise, trains do not necessarily spot doors there. In terms of Arrows, you would have to spot a center door on the mini-high.

 

PC Player - Steam

Might want to check the unit numbers DTG........

 

Where did all the cars go?

 

yup I put this in Jira during development.

 

this will probably be more common to see. There's no way you are going to make all Diesel services ALP45's an expect not to have duplicate unit numbers. it won't surprise to even see more than that.

 

Scenario weirdness: Ball Game
The scenario runs fine for what it is, normal run out to Fram without timings. What's weird is that this is supposedly a special put on to handle the crowds going home from Fenway after a Sox game- but the scenario weather parameters are set to "fog and rain." Erm, if that's the weather, the ball game would have been canceled.

 

So the system forces you in effect to massively overbrake, and wind up nearly stopped or at least ~10-15mph below speed?

 

Unless the fog and rain rolled in after the game or they got a shortened game in. This is the thread for Morristown line, not Boston to Framingham-Worcester (a regional rail line that I am very familiar with).

 

Schedule issue: service 6616 (platform: Steam). I began the service with the "6616 Dover Yard Move" in the ALP-46, then stayed in the sim to continue with the Cab Car service to NY Penn. First problem: AI service 1002 never came out of the portal (the Dover platform kept "pushing back" its expected arrival, but it never showed at all). Second problem: absolute stop signal trying to leave Newark Broad Street. OK, I thought, the dispatcher is (weirdly) holding me for a local that I passed miles ago. Local comes and goes, signal clears for the other track again and continues to hold me. Trains start piling up behind me, nobody can go anywhere. Will try the service again without the yard move first, but I really should be able to daisy chain services like this.

 

Just tried this on an Arrows run out of Hoboken, and both the HUD and ACSES display Overspeed red circles could be cleared by forcing a penalty brake application and then acknowledging

 

More like ~5 under if you know what you're doing. I typically come out of a suppression brake to a 45 mph signal restriction around 41-42 mph.

 

I would say that for people with certain photosensitivities, sometimes more unrealistically hyper-reflective and shiny bright whites can make an experience unplayable for a given person, with the effects they can have such as triggering migraines, etc..