Neckartalbahn: Heidelberg - Neckarelz From Tsg Discussion Thread

They're improving the steam physics. The article says so and Lukas confirmed it on TSC Discord last night they've been at it for about three months now.

 

I saw the map of this to bad this route only few place away from Mannheim and Heilbroon to link up with both routes

 

Bm234 in the shots.

 

IIRC didn’t they have fabric style seats or in 1974 would they still have been plastic/vinyl?

In any event, I think this DLC will need a “Sore Bum” achievement for spending more than 30 minutes travelling sat down as a passenger in these coaches!

 

That's something I've been thinking too. Linking the route to Mannheim in the north and Heilbronn in the south would have made for some interesting route hopping opportunities. Just think about how jarring it would be... arriving at Mannheim from K'lautern in a 425 and hopping to the other route to take over a 23. And then changing into a 111 at Heilbronn

But it would also have added a lot of length to the route. I'd rather have a moderate-size but detailed and beautiful route, than a long and barren one.

 

And what would that bring us? According to german forums, the steam trains stopped at Heidelberg and went back ...
They did not continue on

 

The biggest issue with extending to Heilbronn is well, Heilbronn itself. In the era it is enormous and would be something of a nightmare to even do. Ontop of that we don't really want to have a Liverpool Crewe situation where the track consumes so much memory and affects performance considerably that it degrades the final product and just results in empty yards and poor performance or worse crashes. That and the BR23s only actually really worked over the Neckarelz Heidelberg section anyway.

 

OK, those are some good arguments! As I said, I prefer a shorter but well-made route over a longer but lackluster one

 

Why is a steam train running under overhead wires?

 

Because not every stretch of track was electrified, some services ran with steam engines (until 26 October 1977 in W.Germany). The steam hauled trains would eventually branch away from the electrified section or continue beyond the electrified part. Even today you'll see diesel locos and DMUs running on quite a few electrified routes for this reason.

Also the changeover from steam to electric didn't happen instantly - there weren't enough electric locos to execute the entire timetable at first.

 

However, this is TSG; they really are very good at that sort of thing. Vide for example the blue/ivory 218 they did - for free - including a redone 1980s cab, analog clock, Indusi 60 and all. And on Niddertal they didn't just slap in the DTG 363, they carefully backdated it as a 365.

Here of course to be correct they would have to take it back another step, to 261 (i.e. original V 60(s)) configuration, but knowing them, they'll do it.

 

I agree. Although they said it's gonna be a steam / electric route, the map shows industrial branches and whatnot that still need shunting. And since we're not getting another steam engine for that task and the DB never had electric shunters, they will have to deliver it with a diesel shunter to make it work, before external layers.

I've just grown a bit anxious when over the last year with TSW maybe.

Let's hope for the best.

 

Well, that's not entirely accurate. Although the funny little E 69s are associated with the Ammergaubahn they were built for, two of them spent a decade as shunters at Heidelberg (1954-64, so too early for this route, sadly)

 

DB did have electric shunters, namely the E60 and E63, granted not in large number.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/160-1024-13-28.jpg

 

Because the phase out of steam and transfer to electric/ diesel didnt happen overnight.
And for this route it will provide great variety, as if youd do a steam only route as the first, you then again have the problem of not being able to deliver as much new rolling stock as needed for a proper steam route. Like it was and is the problem with the UK steam routes, a transition era with early diesels wouldve been best there too for service and stock variety. Now theyre all rather empty because of tons of missing stock
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I imagine youd be able to run the 023 alongside (hopefully backdated) 140s, 103, 194, 365, 218/215 and 110) with the existing silberlinge and umbauwagen as well as the Mittenwald and E94 freight stock, as well as any new coaches coming with this

 

Hence why I forgot about them (again). Of course you're completely right. We won't be getting one of these with the route for sure though, so DB V60 it will probably be.

 

I'm looking forward to the new route and I'm pretty sure that TSG will incorporate many nice details here.

 

Day one purchase for sure. Lately only doing this for TSG routes (I mostly run German content only)

 

As luck would have it, I was watching archive footage today of Munchen Hbf in 1975- and at that time they were using 118s as shunters, their last near-retirement task

 

bit of an undignified end for an express passenger loco! Probably not the most ideal shunting engine that much is for sure!

 

Wow, I didn't know that. Using an express engine for shunting, that's a new one.
I know of hump yard shunting uses of big diesel engines in Dresden Friedrichstadt like the Taigatrommel BR 120, but those weren't express engines by any means.

Oddly enough I just gifted an N scale model of an E18 to my best friend and colleague from Halle (Saale) yesterday for his birthday.
You know the saying, what goes around comes around or gift an N scale model to someone who's not in the TSW ecosystem and get a TSW model of the class from someone completely different. Or something like that Idk, I'm awake at 2 am on a weekday night, might not make the most sense right now

 

Looking at this what electrical motives would we get here my guess they are the following Knallfrosch DB Bauriehe 141 DB Baureihe 140 DB Baureihe 150

 

any one got a gust on the price?

 

Probably 39,99 €.
Personally with this one I don't care.
It's TSG and it's German steam for the very first time and UIC X coaches.
But that's just me since I already aquired every German DLC and for the foreseable future there will be 5 German DLC for this iteration of TSW and they're spread out over months I couldn't care less. I've passed on enough DLC for TSW6 so far and will pass at some in the future and wait for a sale so I can afford the few ones I really am into on day one.

 

As an aside, going into the 1984 timetable on LFR yesterday evening, technically most of the D trains would have been formed from UIC-X stock, not the more modern (comfortable!) coaches. So I wonder if we will see the new coaches layered into the TSG timetable on LFR for a more authentic experience?

 

Sadly, I doubt it. Layers and formations have to be created as part of the timetable. So unless TSG were already planning this when they did the E94 pack and created a hidden layer, no. Barring a TT rework.

 

Oh well, it was just a thought. Particularly, as you know, I have a soft (or should that be hard) spot for these coaches having endured several 10+ hour journeys sat bolt upright back in the day!
Hook Of Holland to Copenhagen.
Ulm to Koln.
Stockholm to Hamburg.
and probably several others too.

Though I believe the equivalent DR stock was even less comfortable and most of the lower European railways copied the poor seat design, apart from DSB who put fuller fabric covered seats in their second class compartments.

 

Unfortunately you drew the short straw- the 232s were the first (1953) production series and were built as 3rd class coaches. When DB abolished 3rd class in the late 50s, they didn't upgrade the coaches, they just slapped "2" on them,

 

I wouldn't put it beyond TSG to do that, actually.
They are very well aware of how important and omnipresent the UIC-X coaches were at the time, and they always put a lot of love and attention to detail into their works. For the release of the E94 pack, Linke Rheinstrecke got some tweaks and and the 218 pack got a whole new blue/beige version of the loco. So they aren't afraid to modify existing content to accommodate something new.

I wouldn't mind if the "vintage" Bundesbahn era DLCs did rely heavily on each other. Getting some Umbauwagen consists on Neckartalbahn would be just as great

 

Will have to see, we are aware but no promises at present. I'm not actually sure whether at the moment we would have to duplicate the timetable to do such a change so that we don't "remove" content from players, or whether we could get away with substitution shenanigans

 

DB V60
One little thing: I have seen some members here mentioning class 363 and 365. These numbers weren't in use in 1974 but 260/261 instead. Look here at (CFT-Video Berlin) you tube:




An other major issue concerning this locomotive is that in the period the 260/261 were in use, the cab wasn't overhauled and refurbished at that time. This means there was no joystick controller but a throttle wheel instead;



This means, when the v60 260/261 is involved in the route it must be old red and must have the old unrefurbished throttle wheel instead of the joystick

 

That's cab interior of the Deutsche Reichsbahn V60 you're showing from East Germany. What we have in TSW is the Deutsche Bundesbahn V60 from West Germany. It will confuse the international audience of this forum.
They are totally different beasts.
Looks nothing like the Bundesbahn engine.

You're right that the Bundesbahn one did have a wheel for a throttle instead of a joystick.

 

I've been gone a few months - what in the blazes have I missed? A TSG German steam loco? A Br 23? Seriously? I must be dreaming, right?

 

Not only that, but m-Wagen too.

 

Even better, then! We are starting to get quite a bit of proper Bundesbahn stock now and I'm loving it.

 

Puddington Bear

It should be this cab interior, took the wrong image as an example:



The v60 from the DR ran at our freight yards in the Waalhaven Rotterdam in ACTS livery.
We had once one DR v60 at SSN. It rarely shunted around our depot due to start-up issues.
Later the engine was sold to ACTS for spare parts.

There is a DB v60 still shunting in the Botlek area in black (BT Trains) livery but it is the refurbished version. They had the BT Trains Lettering but I have seen that engine completely black without lettering a few months ago.

 

The photo is taken in Amsterdam Westhaven and was posted by: Bjorn Groen 2 in an other thread "Train Sim World 2 coming soon - The DB Br 363" at this forum.

 

The Am and Bm will be included in Blue and Green as it was in 1974

 

The V 60 saga. In the beginning there was the V 60, with a 12-cyl Maybach diesel. Some of these were built with reinforced frames to carry iron ballast for greater adhesion; these were not officially distinguished at the time, but some unofficial sources note them as V 60(s) (schwer).

In 1968 the new numbering system came in and V was translated to 2, so V 60 became 260. However, at this time the heavy versions were split off as series 261. This is the situation that obtained in 1974.

Over the course of the 1980s, the heavy 261s were gradually converted to radio remote control (this remodel included the joystick controller, to match the one one the radio box); the R/C engines were now 265s (one light 260 was converted, but the intended designation 264 was never used), operating alongside the 260s and 261s.

In 1987 the V 60 family were reclassified from diesel locomotives (2xx) to small locomotives (3xx)- this permitted them to be operated in yards without a fully certified driver aboard. So now there were 360s, 361s and 365s. However, over the course of the 1990s all of them were either converted to radio (most of the heavies) or retired (all of the lights), so there were just 365s.

Finally, in the 2000s the aging Maybach engines were replaced with Caterpillars; locos with the new engines became BR 363.

 

… and that right here is why I said before that you could fill books purely with the bureaucracy of the numbering system in Germany.

 

Though Bureaucracy, still the numbers must retain the original numbers used in 1974 only.