Route Stuttgart - Heilbronn Feedback Thread

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  1. traindori

    traindori Well-Known Member

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    This doesn't just affect people, but also vehicles, because cars repeatedly (it seems to happen more often with newer DLC) drive through closed level crossings. This appears to be a general core problem, similar to the strangely behaving passengers. :|

    Regarding the control car (Wittenberger):

    Regardless of the poor sound, it's don't enjoyable to drive. This is mainly due to the exaggerated, jerky movements during acceleration and braking, as well as the bug when releasing the brakes (the zero position has to be confirmed twice before you can proceed). Furthermore, the brakes are generally far too strong. It feels like a arcadegame.

    While the Class 140 locomotive seems to be cleanly programmed, the control car really feels rushed, which is a real shame. :(
     
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  2. noir

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    There is unsignalled 110 km/h through Ludwigsburg towards Heilbronn, the signal speed reduction from Esig would end by the Zsignal at km 14,2, but game enforces it until line speed change at km 15,6.

    There is unsignalled change of line speed to 130 km/h at km 46,5 towards Heilbronn.

    Every ten seconds a car spawns on level crossing at Nordheim as mentioned above, and humans cross the tracks at the same station.
     
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  3. AmityBlight

    AmityBlight Well-Known Member

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    Agree with that one. This happens on other routes as well, I've seen it on S-Bahn Frankfurt, Linke Rheinstrecke and somewhere else a while ago, perhaps Bremen-Oldenburg. Just as scary and annoying as People running in front of my train. :(
    I consider this a huge issue and it baffles me that it obviously isn't that high on the priority list.

    I've never been in a live Wittenberger cab, but I always imagined it being better insulated and more quiet than the Karlsruher cab. Getting the 100% same sounds was a bit underwhelming, I agree.
    Regarding the brakes being too strong, I'd argue they are rather accurate the way it is. Where I live, we had lots of n-Wagen with disc brakes in my teenage years, and I used them very frequently. They were infamous for their... enthusiastic braking power. Depended a lot on expertise and finesse of the driver too ;)
     
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  4. eurocityboy

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    I've encountered a strange issue (on PC) where the "Mixed" layer on the timetable won't activate, even though I have all the layer dependencies installed. I'm showing all 17 layers as activated (none are grayed out as missing dependencies, and all 17 have a check mark next to them), but I'm only getting 50 playable services for the BR 140, instread of the ~90 there should be. I'm specifically missing the "FIR" and other manifest trains. Has anyone else encountered this problem?
     
  5. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    This has been addressed and fixed already from my side, but needs time to get tested and released. Brakes are a tad softer but not much because it is what it is IRL too. I agree it feels bad with the bouncing back and forth of the consist like a accordion, but that's gone with the fixes then.

    The "Nullstellungszwang" Problem is user made. What you forget is that the loco has its very own traction locking mechanism for the tap changer. When you brake with any tap above 0 it locks additionally and you always need to have the brake lever AND the throttle AND the tap changer in 0 to unlock it again. Thing is you can't see it in the cab car (have not found a solution to transport that info painless to the cab car yet). IRL there is no info at all so there is no pin on the jumper cable to use for that.

    EDIT: And be sure the correct 111 is at the end. If it is not the Stuttgart 111 for whatever reason, then it might not work correctly. Only the Stuttgart 111 (the one that comes with the pack) is prepared for WiKo usage. The others work somehow but not as expected. Maybe substitution is doing some weird things and different 111s get spawned in.
     
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  6. toto#2371

    toto#2371 New Member

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    I dont encounter this problem, I see 91 services for the BR140 on epic.
     
  7. BR218-320

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    And again no N28h camshaft switching gear sound on the BR 140!

    Why?!

    The N28h was so iconic for both, the BR 110 & the BR 140.

    Especially regarding the real life BR 140, only very few locos have been retrofitted with the W29t camshaft switching gear ( the one you’ve modelled on the BR 140 and already on the BR 110 ). Even in the early 2000s most of the BR 140s have still been equipped with the N28h.

    You’ve missed an easy chance to add some variety to TSW and you make it yourself much too easy.
    A BR 140 with the N28h would have been a nice compliment for the BR 110 with it‘s W29t shifter.

    Very unsatisfying and not a desirable attitude of yours.

    Please add the N28h sound on the upcoming updates.
     
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  8. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    The BR140.8 series is equipped only with W29t tap changers. But also the .8 series was the only batch of 140s with KWS for double formation usage. There was a decision to make then: KWS and double formations OR N28h sounds, not both. The references were from a .8 so the decision was "easy".
     
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  9. michel.guinand

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    BR 140 FR Kornwestheim Rbf to Heilbronn Gbf 17:39 Steam
    It's amazing how quality control is done. Now I understand why my post #198 couldn't start. On this trip, I have to drive a freight train to Heilbronn Gbf, uncouple the train, and move the locomotive to the siding on track 581 at Heilbronn Hbf. I was shocked when the main circuit breaker tripped. No power supply. But I was able to complete the trip.
    BR 140 FR Kornwestheim Rbf nach Heilbronn Gbf 17:39h Steam
    Erstaunlich wie die Qualitätssicherung gemacht wird. Jetzt ist es mir auch klar warum im meinem Betrag #198 nicht starten konnte. Bei dieser Fahrt muss ich ein Güterzug nach Heilbronn Gbf fahren und den Zug abkoppeln und die Lok in die Abstellung auf das Gleis Heilbronn Hbf 581 fahren. Ich bin erschrocken, als es den Hauptschalter raus geflogen ist. Keine Stromleitung mehr vorhanden. Aber abschliessen konnte ich diese Fahrt.
     

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  10. BR218-320

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    Main Spessart Route

    Playstation 5

    BR 140 with DB 86113

    Came to a stop on a 2% upslope. With all brakes released and no power applied, the train would not run downhill. It simply stands still.
     
  11. AmityBlight

    AmityBlight Well-Known Member

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    Not an issue, but rather a request:

    Would it be possible to breathe some life into Kornwestheim Rbf?
    This is how it currently looks ingame:
    [​IMG]

    This is how it could (should) look like:
    [​IMG]

    Would be nice to have a bunch of 294's and 363's there, shunting and shuffling things around :)
    It's one of the bigger railyards in Southern Germany, I'd love to take advantage of that.

    I know, the route is already hard on players with low-ish system specs as it is. Maybe some sort of separate "XXL" timetable could be added, with more freight traffic and shunting for people with more powerful hardware (kinda the inverse of the reduced S-Bahn Frankfurt timetable)?

    Just an idea I had while free-roaming. :D
     
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  12. noir

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    That actually sounds like a great idea, to have "reduced timetable", "full timetable" and "full timetable + decorative trains". Nonsense services, just a bunch of static stock on tracks that are unused in timetable or shunters that for whole day just move six wagons between two tracks there and back so it seems like something is happening and are fast to implement without interfering with rest of the timetable.
     
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  13. DEXCON

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    Just a general remark. But the BR140 is one of the best sounds for a locomotive in the game. It really sounds like a heavy loco when driving. Especially when you hit the brakes.The sound this creates is outstanding, and it's really enjoyable. Love this quality standard for locomotive sounds. Please keep this up! Great work! Happy hollidays!
     
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  14. maxine#2143(BlackPulsar)

    maxine#2143(BlackPulsar) Active Member

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    Steam_PC: Does anyone else have this problem? My train brakes activate by themselves when I leave Stuttgart Central Station. And the trains suddenly become so physically unreliable and bouncy that the train flies across the track when I try to couple, for example, a BR140 locomotive.
     
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  15. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Has there been any talk as to when this will receive an update/patch for this route and locos.
     
  16. toto#2371

    toto#2371 New Member

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    No, but i see that in an other post of dovetail games "We will also have a batch of improvements to the Stuttgart-Heilbronn route for all platforms coming next week." and they post that in the thread
    "Train Sim World 6 Minor Core Update - 18th December 2025"
    so normally this week we have a patch ( I hope it won't be delayed)
     
  17. foggy#2817

    foggy#2817 Well-Known Member

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    This issue also seems to affect Schnellfahrstrecke Köln. In the revamp timetable, I only had the 442 and the 406 to choose from. After I had deleted MKN, all services were available.
     
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  18. ApollonJustice

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    I have everything installed and there more than 800 services in timtable mode (PS5pro).
     
  19. uvm0902

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    I'm very disappointed with some of the vegetation along the route. The trees, with their gray trunks and sparse, poisonous foliage, look terrible and ruin the entire scenery. Couldn't they have found better tree models in the vegetation collection? The good old Ruhr-Sieg-Nord looks better. I've always noted that German routes had better landscape reproduction, but this route is an exception.
    The Class 140 is simply fantastic. The cabin car needs some physics work.
     
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  20. AmityBlight

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    Really? In my opinion the route and its surroundings look rather fine. Haven't done a complete run along the whole route in summer yet though.

    Anyway, wanted to mention that I just did the whole NZ 1999 series with the BR 110. Or rather, I tried to.
    NZ 1999 part 2 seemingly can't be completed. After arriving at Stuttgart, it says the passengers are disembarking, but nothing happens. The service just doesn't finish. I tried it twice and both times waited for about half an hour (!) until around 09:00 to make sure, but it didn't progress.
    Also, just wanted to note again that the speed drop to 40 km/h when approaching Stuttgart is not being signalled at all. Very nasty surprise, that.
    And finally an issue with the 110 (since it's from Bremen-Oldenburg, it applies there too):
    In addition to the known wiper bug that's already been mentioned, the wipers also don't immediately turn off when the switch is being flicked. Instead they move into the far left/far right positions first, and stop there. With this old form of wipers, they should stop where they are right away (works fine on Linke Rheinstrecke's 110).
     
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  21. michel.guinand

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    I just managed to successfully complete the second part. Not on the first try, though. After the time ran out, I opened and closed the doors a few times and set the reverser to neutral.
    Ich habe gerade den zweiten Teil erfolgreich abschliessen können. Allerdings nicht auf Anhieb. Nach Ablauf der Zeit habe ich ein paarmal die Türen auf und zu gemacht und den Richtungswender auf Neutral gestellt.
     

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  22. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if already posted. So driving the bnrdzf 483 why is it so noisy when braking and just travelling. Also why does just randomly loose power. And why is it so jittery when braking and accelerating. Thanks
     
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    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone having trouble with braking in the munchen version of the 423. Im going 15mph full brakes and took over 300yds to stop it. Also why has a s5 (4503) got shunting signals instead of greens . And the pzb override dont even work.
     
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  24. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    The crashes are getting a bit frequent now and its really ruining a good little route.
     
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  25. michel.guinand

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    So, the brakes on the BR 423 Munich version aren't the best; it took me 127 meters to come to a complete stop from 25 to 0 km/h.

    The issue with the signals is a mistake I already mentioned in post 153. However, I can't entirely confirm that the PZB (train protection system) isn't working. The 500Hz magnets aren't displayed in the PZB system, but without "Command 40," there is an emergency brake application, as I've tested.
    Also, die Bremsen der BR 423 Version München sind nicht die Besten, ich hatte von 25 auf 0 km/h 127 Meter gebraucht.
    Das mit den Signalen ist ein Fehler den ich auch schon im Beitrag 153 angegeben habe. Aber dass die PZB nicht funktionert kann ich so nicht ganz bestädigen. 500Hz Magnete wird in der PZB nicht angezeigt, aber ohne "Befehl 40" gibt es eine Zwangsbremsung, habe ich getestet.
     
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  26. hells.high.lord666

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    What's with all of the invisible walls on Bietigheim-Bissen? Like the box one on platform E that stops you collecting the toy car!
     
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  27. michel.guinand

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    Ja, ich habe diesen Fehler bereits in Beitrag 176 angesprochen . Es ist nicht möglich, das Spielzeugauto einzusammeln.
    Ja, ich habe diesen Fehler bereits in Beitrag 176 angesprochen. Es ist nicht möglich, das Spielzeugauto einzusammeln.
     
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  28. AmityBlight

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    I did some Free Roam excursions through Heilbronn Hafen. Rather well-crafted area, would lend itself well to some intricate shunting operations. If only the timetable took advantage of it.

    This level crossing in the far north of the area could use some attention though. Cars refuse to stop for any oncoming train, since Heilbronnians constantly seem to be in a hurry:
    [​IMG]
     
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