All Aboards Class 805 Discussion

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  1. trainsimuser

    trainsimuser Well-Known Member

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    They said it happened approaching Watford not euston. You are correct though Euston does have grids and higher than other termini stations first grid is set for 20mph or below 2nd grid 10mph below
     
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    Am I missing something here…if you uncouple a 10 car unit, is there any way of closing the coupler hatch?
     
  3. adam asghar

    adam asghar Active Member

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    Yes, if you have a look at the back wall panel next to the cab door, you should find a button labelled ‘Hatch door close’
     
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  4. Southern Driver

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    So the Class 805 on WCML(S) scenario ‘9G25 Turnback at Watford’ makes no sense.

    Firstly the description doesn’t suggest you’ll only go to Watford but the title does. Odd.

    Secondly, on approach to platform 8 at Watford got a ‘SPAD Alert Contact Signaller’ in cab. Previous was 1 yellow and the intervention was before the station. My thinking is that this is due to (previously reported) WM1161 G.P.S which is only for trains going Down the Up Fast not those crossing from Down Fast to Down Slow. Also of note, the signal showed proceed.
     
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  5. ---DMY---

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    I had it too yesterday evening.
    Succeeded to make the train move by "resetting the simulation" in the menu.

    Regarding Euston buffers approach speed...

     
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  6. FredElliott

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    Ah yes, I should have gone to Specsavers
     
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  7. tardisgaming07

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    Can't wait for multiplayer with a single signaller in charge of Clapham Junction :)
     
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  8. trainsimuser

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    lol easy mistake to mak
    Well if they do it like IRL it would be 2 panels.
     
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  9. macruz

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    I was initially apprehensive about the 805 but I am enjoying driving it. The audio is really nice on it, the cab is quite nicely detailed especially with the lighting and I quite like the feel of the suspension on it. Feels very alive when it reaches 125mph. I will say I feel like I’m barely getting any DSD alerts though so I’m not sure what other people think on this. The route overall feels a lot more alive and I hopefully don’t jinx myself, but not had any crashes on WCMLS though I have had one on B2C approaching Crewe so far. I think AAB have done a really good job on the train and a NWML route would complement it nicely. Also think AAB would do a good job with a revamp of the 801s on ECML and 802s to bring them into line with each other quality wise.
     
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  10. samuelpower2001

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    Maybe because moving power handle within 1 minute interval window as sounds only if no input from driver at controls after 1 minute?
     
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  11. samuelpower2001

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    If keep moving power handle constantly it will not sound really until stop
     
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  12. gwrpat#3475

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    How are you supposed to know what and where these grids are and what trains they do and don’t apply to? When you’re coming into Euston you’re already sub 25 mph with plenty of time to stop with gentle braking.. even for a novice.. given that failing to stop will probably have you knocking over the toilet block.

    On the scenario, I read and understood it as I suggested.. however, because the train stopped short of the platform I never got to find out if that is what is really going on.
     
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  13. samuelpower2001

    samuelpower2001 Well-Known Member

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    Tpws grids? Before a signal and after. OSS grids are before a signal. Tss are after
     
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  14. dr1980

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    I hit the TPWS grid (I assume) entering the platform at Euston. I’ll be sure to keep it under 10mph next time, but this time there was a voice saying to contact the signaller because I had overspeeded. I tried contacting the signaller through the tab menu and clicking on the phone and couldn’t get it to do anything or get the train moving again.
     
  15. adam asghar

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    The “Contract the signaller’ message is just there to simulate the audible message the driver gets upon a TPWS trip (Contact the signaller to let them know what’s happened and what follows) in real life. In game, you don’t actually need to do anything apart from waiting 60 seconds to release the brakes.
     
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  16. trainsimuser

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    IRL you would contact the signaller though as you have a EB activation. The sim don’t go into that much realism though
     
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  17. Southern Driver

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    A TPWS against the stops would be reported once you’ve got to the stops. Anything else would be before you move the train.
     
  18. trainsimuser

    trainsimuser Well-Known Member

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    Correct as per 6.2 which was updated not to long ago. But you MUST still call it in. What the rule doesn’t state clear is if it is the entry TPWS or the 2nd TPWS prior to the buffers so I would edge on side of caution IRL myself and I would call it in as it’s a brake demand has gone off for a reason.
     
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  19. NorthLondoner125

    NorthLondoner125 Well-Known Member

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    Right I'm considering purchasing the Class 805 for the upgraded WCML South timetable. Does anyone know if the new timetable is the full version or are there still missing services?
     
  20. trainsimuser

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    There is less freight iirc and it does not utilise the cargo line packs
     
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  21. OldVern

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    It seems fuller than the original. Leaving the 805 aside for now I’m currently driving the latter day equivalent of the old Master Cobbler, 1719 Euston to Northampton. Though back in the day, it was an AC electric hauling 12 Mark Ones and didn’t call at Watford Junction…
     
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  22. hecticjojo

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    The WCML South has 995~ services and the WCML B2C has 560~ services. I'm almost positive the only reduction was to freight services and the 86/87/47 railtours on B2C, which were removed due to "DLC mounting limitations" but otherwise it's the *as advertised* timetable, just not the "over 1K playable services".... Yet (the Trent Valley 807/350 will total those missing)
     
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  23. JLD95

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    Hi, I had a random pantograph failure during a timetable scenario: after stopping train, I pressed pan up: it's work but I haven't found how to restart the train even after removing/re-enabling the master key. It's a bug or I forgot something ?

    PS: brakes don't release - I have safety systems on bit I already turn off/on without success
     
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  24. trainsimuser

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    go to the TCMS screen on the right look at the pantograph setting press the soft key to select the car that had the panto drop you can press it and it will reset it
     
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  25. Southern Driver

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    Can’t interact with that screen if you are on Xbox
     
  26. trainsimuser

    trainsimuser Well-Known Member

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    really ?
     
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  27. Southern Driver

    Southern Driver Well-Known Member

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    You can view it up close but cannot interact with it.
     
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  28. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Was wondering what the next working of 1R25 is when it gets to Euston? Trying to follow the sets as I’ve done it from Crewe to Stafford, picked it up again at MKC, so figured after that run completes I will exit and pick up the next job at Euston. No point in staying in game as there could be a long wait and we still have the issue with saves after returning to free roam not loading properly.
     
  29. MP600

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    Assuming you mean the feature where it moves the view to be right in front of the screen. Turn it off in settings and navigate the screen the old fashioned way, that feature was broken on consoles the day it released and apparently never fixed
     
  30. Quentin

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    If you're playing a scenario with intermediate objectives, each objective triggers the 'next station' announcement. So I got "We will shortly be arriving at London Euston" about 10 miles out! (A very minor whinge about a great add-on, IMO.)
     
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  31. OldVern

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    Quoting myself here but it’s 1D84 1000 Euston to Chester. Hopefully with a corresponding onward run from Stafford.

    And if anyone from AABS is reading this, I just turned off train faults as the level of occurrences with the 805 is farcical. Ever run, every station one or more stuck doors. That ain’t fun guys.
     
  32. Mark Moreton

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    iirc the Voyager at launch was having this issue when in double units it was doubling the faults, so possibly same thing is happening here?
     
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  33. adam asghar

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    I see what you’re saying here; I do think the train faults are quite overkill, especially for newer stock. Realistically, an engine/ power supply problem or failure happens probably once every 3 weeks on average on one unit
     
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  34. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    If the real trains had this level of fault occurrences, the service would be in disarray and the TOC would be in serious discussions with the rolling stock leasing body.
     
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  35. theorganist

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    I've turned them off for now. I like the idea of them but it stops becoming fun. Even the WMR class 172's aren't that unreliable.
     
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  36. ben#1349

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    I never understood why anyone wanted this feature. Its just an inconvenience. Doesn’t really create much fun either.
     
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  37. theorganist

    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    Well it's not fun as it's too frequent. If it happened once every ten drives for example it would be more fun. You can disable it at least.
     
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  38. OldVern

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    I can see the point if it happened once every couple of hundred miles driven on a random dice throw. However the concept was rather poorly implemented. Not to mention some of the faults we get such as engine out might well need to be attended by a fitter, not the traincrew. Engine out could indicate a coolant, fuel or oil leak which would require examination before attempting a restart. Pantograph dropping could be the ADD kicking in and if you just raise it again without checking for damage you risk ripping it off or bringing down the wires.
     
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  39. locobilly

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    A nice unit. Some weirdness on one scenario when I failed to cancel the Vigilance quick enough and got pulled up then couldn’t get going again, in the end I had to switch of both AWS and Vigilance just to get moving again, not sure what all that was about.
     
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    I redid this route today…. And as I approached MK, I again got the buzzer and the train stopped again…

    It turns out this is a SPAD warning despite the last signal being YELLOW with a RED sited at the end of the arrival platform. So, no SPAD committed. Pressed all the buttons (overspeed etc) on the top left of the drivers console and low and behold, the train started to move again.. I’ve no idea why it didn’t last time tbh.

    Pulled onto the station where you change ends and return to Euston where upon arrival you’re sharing the arrival platform with mother train so approach speed must be slow.

    The train announcements are incorrect… on the way up you pass through two check points and it says ‘we’re arriving at MK’ at each one when we’re not… until you arrive at MK.
     
  41. HardGrit

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    Has there been a patch released yet to rectify the X Box out of memory fault with the 805?
     
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    Only fault I enjoy us the TSR. Otherwise have had faults turned off from Day 2.
     
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    Is it higher than other trains in the game that have faults? Currently investigating this is all
     
  44. OldVern

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    I believe so, though not sure what algorithms the game uses to calculate the chance of a fault and how this is defined on the rolling stock vs the core.
     
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  45. Crosstie

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    I finally popped for this train even though it's not my favored traction nor era.

    An easy train to drive ( too easy ) but kind of fun nevertheless ( high speed has its attraction ).

    Drove from Euston to Milton Keynes without issues. Will likely purchase Birmingham to Crewe in the next major Steam sale.
     
  46. trainsimuser

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    Didnt know Avanti westcoast 805s went to elephant and castle :D

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  47. flukey#4378

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    For WCML STH it adds only 46-47 more playable services than the 2024/intermodal TT and actually doesn't feel any busier especially on the mainline (fast/slow).

    They've cut freight from 44 to 10 and to be honest it feels like the TT is more spread-out across the 24hr period, point in case, https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/class-805-review.96395/#post-1088551

    Would have thought the TT would have been a little more fuller than what it is and doesn't feel like one of the busiest corridors in the UK
     
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    It should have taken that left turn at Albuquerque.:)
     
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    I noticed that one too! Maybe it’s an Easter Egg though a rather obscure one if so.

    After two evenings of driving the 805 to get Tier One Mastery done, I had to sate myself with a nice noisy run in the SimRail EU07 yesterday evening!
     
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  50. antwerpcentral

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    I like this add-on. I was very surprised that the tutorial felt like a real tutorial. All tutorials should be like that. I like the new timetable. Cab Lightning is the best I've seen so far in TSW. The only negative is the audio farts on PS5.
     
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