Dtg Are You Actually Trolling The Community?!

A big part of the issue is that DTG are effectively gatekeeping TSW from 3rd party developers, unlike TSC where a group could release their own DLC they could also patch it themselves as an when required but on TSW it must go via DTG and that is the main cause of problems (core issues notwithstanding). Now that 3rd parties have to go via DTG is down to Consoles, there isn't a way around that one unfortunately.

 

actually, it's worse than that
in the end, we're all paying beta testers
in the end, we pay to test the game
in the end, we buy the game in beta stage

 

And god bless them for it. The situation for add-ons in TSC is insane. Some require countless other paid add-ons to work. For others the quality will be incredibly low. At least this way there is some standard set on how things work.

 

DTG are fortunate to not have any real competitors in the train sim space otherwise they would be in real trouble if another game was better

 

It's a double edged sword, one thing I really like about TSW is that add-ons generally work standalone but also layer onto other routes, the whole timetable and scenario situation is the same too. In TSC I never did scenarios as there would be one random obscure wagon or something which I would need in order to run it, at least TSW doesn't have that.

The problem though is that DTG are obviously incapable of handling numerous 3rd party developers submitting patches and tweaks en-masse, and let's be honest most of those patches are to fix bugs caused by core issues.

 

That’s part of the problem too….no competition no incentive to move the game forward.

 

For such heavy criticism against DTG, you are either lying about paying for the new iteration or you have double standards, which is the case if you still buy content while having that opinion about the game.

 

That sounds great but would it really be able to challenge TSW? One of the positives of TSW is that it can appeal to a wider playerbase as there are routes covering multiple countries, but looking at existing examples none can really churn out content at the same rate as DTG.

To be honest even the current TSW franchise doesn't feel like it's putting out a massive amount of content, but there isn't much else to compare it to. The only one I can think of is TSC which has a massive library of content. We really need a SW route in TSW.

 

I bought the deluxe edition, and it's precisely because I bought it that I have my opinion and my criticisms about it

 

this whole thing about dtg getting away with low quality is blown out of proportion time and time again. train simulation is a niche industry, people wouldn’t pick one or the other. lots of subwaysim players are also likely to be tsw players. same goes for simrail. people don’t pick one and stick with it, they’ll own and play multiple different games

 

You know what they say about assumptions, right?

 

chances are i won’t guess the exact one you’re thinking of, but i can tell you that this forum is full of them. lots of releases in one go? dtg going out of business. 3P updates getting delayed? QA is too small. a route is too short? laziness. whilst lots of these may have some substance in them, there’s a concerning amount of people on here who think they know more than they actually do. for all we know dtg could be doing just fine as a business, especially where tsw is concerned

 

The Holding company’s accounts to the end of their financial year 2025 are there for all to see. Makes for interesting reading.

 

I was replying to your comment about players of TSW playing more than one type of railway based simulator....

 

That is true but can you imagine how buggy a ported version of TSW would be considering how many bugs are in it currently with UE4? Not only that porting all the old DLC would cost huge amounts of time, resources and money... DTG aren't going to do that, I mean it would be nice but I think there's more chance of winning the lottery when you never play it.

Also you're other comment on the support tickets getting closed before the issue has been addressed has happened to me on multiple occasions, that's why I gave up reporting stuff through the support system and just pinged the CMs on Discord to report an issue.

 

At no point did I say "Just accept it". I report bugs, I have been critical of choices of routes, I've moaned about elements of the game and bugs that shatter immersion, as you'll see from many of my posts on here over the last 9 years. In fact rather than "just accepting it" I reached out to DTG as I'd like to become a tester for them once my current career ends. No sitting back from me buddy.

My goal was to point out that frustrations abound with all hobbies and more broadly with life in general. Maybe that was a little too abstract. I should have compared TSW to other simulator games that released in such a broken state they were unplayable; like Cities Skylines 2, MS Flight Sim 24 and Football Manager 26. TSW has never caused me the issues I've had with those other three. That should not be interpreted as "Don't bother reporting bugs" or "Just accept it" or "Everything is a binary choice these days so if you don't make your fury clear then I'm going to assume you think the complete opposite of my opinion".

I hope all of the bugs you've reported to DTG get resolved soon.

 

man this has truly been entertaining watching both sides battle it out

anyways I’ve done stuff like this a million times on their official discord it doesn’t make a difference, most of them come up with excuses instead of answering the questions

 

DTG will do as DTG do…

Yes it has been an interesting thread but suspect it might not last much longer once the team are back in the office at 0900. I fully expect there may even be a few getting a bit of gardening leave from the forum.

 

Being passionate about a game, brings out both good and bad emotions, both are valid in my opinion but personal attacks are not and never will be helpful.

 

I personally don't think anyone in this thread deserves gardening leave that have been commenting on the issues.

What I do hope is the ones that were targeting people for taking holiday are given 5 lashes of the cane and banished to the outer privvy for 7 days.

Overall I think this thread as been one of the more mature voicings of upset the forum has seen for a while.

 

It’s one of the only reasons why the discord is good, they don’t silence chats as often there if at all

 

Or even better they lose their own holidays in real life hehehe /j

 

Now is just me or does anyone else think since that roadmap dtg have completely gone quite on the forum.

 

I don’t know if you’re having a veiled dig at me… perhaps you’d be good enough to say one way or the other… in plain English. Just for clarity.

 

They're probably busy fixing issues that they're reading about.
Backlogs with work (and it happens in every business) can escalate so that's likely their focus at the moment.

But I know what it's like when the pressure is on, sometimes taking a holiday is necessary in order to rest and relieve that pressure. Come back fresh. We're humans not machines after all.

 

If you've got a guilty conscience Pat, I can't help you with that. I'm not into naming and shaming users, if you got a DM from me saying "calm it down and keep it on topic", you crossed a line, if you didn't, don't lose sleep over it.

If on reflection you feel you've crossed a line, apologise to who you feel you've wronged and move on, it's part of being a grown up isn't it?

 

A. I don’t have a guilty conscience. Quite the opposite.
B. I’ve not crossed any lines. Nothing to apologise for
C. If I’ve something to say.. I’ll say it. The money I’ve spent is as good as anyone’s.
D. I’m certainly not losing any sleep.
E. If anyone is so soft skinned they can’t accept an alternative viewpoint, then yes, they should grow up.
Have a nice day

 

Sometimes self-policing is better than the proper policing on a forum .

 

Treat these forums like a chat with someone in a social setting. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, don't say it in a forum.

That's my approach. And if I offend someone then I'll apologise, even if I'm surprised that I caused offense. It's just good manners.
Empathy is a sign of strength, not weakness.

How we talk, type and treat other humans will be reflected in the quality of life and friends we have and it can also open doors. What people think about us is important. When an aggressive, arrogant, selfish car driver crashes, people cheer. When the rest of us crash, people run to help.

 

Arrived home from holiday to a rake of updates. I wonder what’s changed? Hopefully a better game.

PS.. before anyone asks, my holiday was sanctioned, the cat was left in charge of the house (she’s an empowered and formidable old lady who takes care of everything) and no trains were hurt on my vacation.

 

Please see post number one on this thread for the patch notes.....

 

FFS… Service 1C05 GER Diesel legends.. SPAD as soon as the game loads… repeatedly. Anyone care to comment on why I should be happy? Yes I’m also posting this in the correct forum too before the blue lights appear.

 

Thanks I’ll do that…

 

Hi Pat, you might be posting in the right forum, but not really the right thread. Can I suggest you post in this thread for maximum chance of someone picking this up and being able to answer for you. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/great-western-express-remastered-feedback-thread.96489/

 

THx.. I have posted in a GWR thread and asked for it to be moved if incorrect. It’s a class 52 thread but I’ll see if I can maybe repost as recommended.

 

We still have a Harrow & Wealdstone sign at queen's park which has never been updated. The rushed releases are starting to be unacceptable.

It's been clear from the start, they either need to hire more developers or have a different business strategy all entirely.

The quality assurance isn't really there in my opinion, but going forward. I've noticed that most of the DLC releases this year have been much better than the core developers (DTG). To be honest DTG should be leading the way, if it feels more of a passion project rather than giving what players want lately.

I'll agree some of the showcases that we've received from DTG lately, have been very unprofessional in my opinion, especially with the showcase of the HST pack.

When it showcased, we didn't even pan around the train to see the livery (Which is a key selling point to this pack) A lot of of the stream went a little off-topic (I'm not against people having fun or going slightly off-topic) But this is the key-part of DTG's marketing when they showcase products, broadcasting this to their target audience which is a great idea. But it's become not very organised, there was no major introduction on the stream, there's been laughing going for 10 minutes at a time one stream previously in the past I had to switch it off which I rarely do.

The attention of urgency has gone out of the window, I remember I spoke on a discord Q&A in december regarding about Platform announcements being fixed/amended to stop the terminus' station to be announced if you are currently at that station. For Example at London Paddington, terminating trains' will be announced like their a service ready to board. These need to be fixed, after asking about this I thought the latest we'd receive an update would've been February/March.

Not only that, route hopping was starting to be "forgotten about" until players started to complain about route hopping as we come into each release it's like the features that were previously on old version of TSW don't get inherited correctly into the next phase/title of TSW.

Personally I'd like to see high quality routes/lengths and stock. Even if it's more costly I'd rather have 2/3 releases a year with more playability and something confident i'm buying that may or may not have updates in the future.

When we are buying these products there's a huge chance some of the bugs we encounter will never get fixed again.

The company needs a big-overhaul with change and direction to provide confidence with players.

 

You think that's bad? At Kilburn Park on the Bakerloo all the northbound and southbound signs and displays are flipped!

 

No I’ve not tried spawning earlier.. hadn’t thought of that. Didn’t know you could do that tbh. Might be worth a punt just to see. I just do runs straight off the timetable or scenarios.

 

Yeah that's so bad, I thought that got fixed tbh I think a few stations got updated but only a selected few?
Another thing of complete laziness is the the PIS at station on the overground route (Gospal line) It might be Leytonstone high road I can't remember but instead of fixing the PIS it was just completely removed I don't know why these little things aren't getting updated I'm sure before the project is finished it should be finalized and looked over for quality control and you can tell it's all been rushed in places I may just stop buying day 1 releases from DTG until the QC is a lot better and checked. I get it a lot of games aren't 100% perfect but these things are so easily noticeable leaving the players in the dark if it'll get selected for fixes/updates or not.

I think the snowball effect is real right now at dtg

 

TSW does seem to be suffering from years of tech debt and I wonder even if DTG wanted to if they could even fix it without breaking more than they fix.

 

That's the most stressful part of going on holiday for me. Getting home and hoping the cats will accept me back into their house.

 

Anyone else discovered that since the latest "patch" that when they complete a timetabled service it no longer marks it as complete? I mean it's not the end of the world as far as I am concerned, I just don't want to unintentionally repeat the same services, but I know others are in it for the completion...

As someone asked on page 4, I too think that the DTG folks have suddenly clammed up since the roadmap and patch notes were released and surely most of them are not involved in active development of the game but purely to work the socials...

And don't forget chaps & chapettes, infighting amongst ourselves is both a distraction from the actual discussion of problems and also going to lead to a staffer locking the thread and/or coming down with the ban hammer.

 

I'm on PC (Steam) but think I have figured it out, it only seems to be happening if I "return to freeroam" after completing the timetable mission then exiting straight to desktop rather than back into the menu.

 

Initially I thought I’d just misremembered the count, but yeah on MAC I did notice it wasn’t checking them off for the TFW runs.

I always just return to timetable on MAC runs though.

 

I fear that TSW will end up need to be rebuilt from the ground up. They keep adding new features to TSW but it will make it more unstable like Windows 9x (and Win Me) in the long run. They need to make it more efficient and stop duplication of trains. I fear it wont happen until its too late or it gets too much.

 

For me it has become a habit to go to the main menu before exiting the game, same as I never save and restore a service unless I have no other option because I know it will probably cause trouble.

 

This will not happen. Best case scenario is they will make a better (easier to maintain) core design for the UE5 version of TSW (whatever it will be called) when they decide to make it.

 

Well I see the new “Week commencing…” announcement, as well as being two days late has absolutely nothing to say other than go search YT for ambassador streams.

 

I was kinda hoping that they was gonna announce that the so called big lot of updates and patches where coming today .