I would love to see the Keystone Corridor be added to Train Simulator 2018. The route is very iconic route. Spanning From the City of Brotherly Love, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, to the state capital Harrisburg Pennsylvania. The line holds septa regional rail which runs from Philadelphia to Thorndale, also the septa trains run under ground in to suburban station and Jefferson station. The Amtrak Keystone Sevice is the main amtrak service that runs. The Keystone Service stops at Paoli, Exton, Dowington, Coatesville, Parksburg, Lancaster, Mount Joy, Elizabethtown, Middletown, and Harrisburg. The other Amtrak train that runs is the Pennsylvanian which 2 trains run daily in each direction. The equipment that I think would go great with this route is the Metroliner Cab Car and standard Amfleet 1's. Another loco should be the Amtrak Acs-64 as it is the newest locomotive running on the corridor. Also the p42dc should be added for use on the pennsylvanian and also for the pennsylvanian should he Amfleet 2 cars. For Septa equipment I think that the Silverliner V would look very good with the route. A final Piece of septa equipment should be there Aem-7 or there newest Locomotive the Acs-64 and single level comet cars. I hope you take this suggestion to consideration. This route would be a good seller and would make a great addition to the Train Simulator collection.
Septa has rejected DTG in terms of licensing so that’s out of the picture, so it probably won’t happen.
If Dovetail Games could get a partnership with SEPTA (which is doubtful), then the Keystone Corridor would be great! As long as they also include the Strasburg Railroad branch line in it for old-fashioned branch line steam operations so that not everything is modern, fast-paced passenger action.
I personally feel they should do the Keystone anyway. It's still Amtrak territory. Plus, it would hopefully spawn a Keystone Cab car which I feel should definitely be and have been included in TS. It would be awesome to have Philly to Harrisburg to put to use. Which is why I would love for the NEC to be redone from NY to DC which a merged Keystone Corridor. We have NJT arrows/Comets that are a very suitable substitute for the SEPTA equipment via repaints, or just use your creative imagination.
I sort of mentioned that, already. Though we currently have unofficial SEPTA equipment via repaints of the Arrows, The P32 Shoreliners and the M8's floating around somewhere, though I currently favor the Arrow III's better. But it may not even be likely that we'll even see it in 3rd party form, seeing as no one has yet come close to producing them, even despite the fact that there is a route we could run them on.
That could happen, but a route without the “proper” logos is quite bland and definitely not the same. I personally would not like to see any routes made by DTG unbranded because it takes away from the realism but they have SEPTA reskins as Workshop content so maybe you could do that. Seems also MARC’s out of the picture too, because DTG had the same issue with them like they did with SEPTA.
I frankly find it absurd that some people would rather have no DLC than unbranded DLC...just putting that out there that common knowledge is that something is better than nothing. I would definitely rather have this route and have some unbranded stuff than not have this route at all.
Man, I couldn't agree more. I've always had this mindset when it comes to Train Simulator because there are just too many gaps to be picky about what comes with branding, and what doesn't. I've even proposed the idea to them a couple of years back that they should get into the habit of offering locos with both branded and unbranded versions so that it is easier for those to do repaints and not have to worry about covering up the original liveries. So, yes, I'd take all desired content even if it meant it came unbranded. Especially if it makes it easier for them to roll it out. Though I'm sure there are still other licensing issues that still applies.
Yes. Similar to what they did with the Miami, and Pacific Surfliner routes. I agree. I would be for that, totally.
Not to take a hard shot at DTG, but accuracy is something they still tend to struggle with, audio being one of their main issues. So having to offer things unbranded, should make things much easier for them. Give it just a couple of days to a week, someone is going to fill in the gap and viola.. Just like with the Arrow III's. Barely a day or two went by and had SEPTA branding.
Completely agree. The hardcore people who are most likely to get upset by missing logos are also the people most likely to know how to repaint and be willing to mod the game-that kinda goes along with being hardcore. (Just look at Armstrong Powerhouse-they often have unbranded paintjobs, but nobody complains because those who buy from AP also tend to be good at handling other mod products that add in the branding) Then there is that tiny annoying mediumcore portion that is willing to complain, but not willing to do anything about it. Vocal minorities are the worst.
As someone like myself who has no skill in modifications of any kind, it’s a reason I feel the way I do about it. Because, the best I can do is express concern over certain and obvious inaccuracies that shouldn’t be ignored, that can be fixed, and just bring it to their attention. Liveries are really just whatever to me. Even if they only just released the Keystone route without SEPTA or any of its related equipment we currently still at least have something to work with.
Yeah. The thing I really want them to actually bundle that route with, is an actual Amtrak Keystone cab car. That is like in my top 5 most wanted dlc for TS.
I love this idea- i live about a mile from this route and ride the Paoli-Thorndale line all the time. Sucks about no SEPTA branding, but there's still potential. Hopefully the ArcelorMittal (ex-Lukens) steel plant in Coatesville could be included; NS runs the only regular freight service on the line (that i'm aware of) from there to Conshohocken- and it still runs with an old caboose! Other cool stuff would be Overbrook yards and Malvern maintenance facility. Gets my vote!
Plus we have the Arrow III already so if DTG wants to make the Silverliners and the Keystone cab car that could work out well.
I agree with you I live along the line aswell and ride amtrak to philadelphia and i have seen the NS freight train a bunch of times.
They could use the arrows, but it would have to be slightly modified to look like its SEPTA counterpart. Also, being that SEPTA isn't granting licenses for whatever their reasons, it could be branded as the Philadelphia Commuter, with some generic branding/livery. The Metroliner/Keystone Cab car, should certainly not be avoided on this route, it's been neglected far too long.
they dont even need to add septa it would be great if they did but in other routes like Stevens Pass they have a secton where sounder runs but they didnt add sounder
If DTG were to take on the route, they would more than likely include trackage for freight operations.
Just to reinvigorate some interest in this route, because we have not received a modern US route for quite some time now. With the recent announcement of the TS2021 with the new London Euston-Birmingham route included, and at a length of 113 miles. I'd say this route would be very doable as it is shorter. While there are SEPTA stations along this corridor, the track is owned by Amtrak, if I'm not mistaken. Would be great to introduce a new Modern/Present-day Amtrak route. As too much focus is on freight.
Isn't he the guy who did a NEC route that requires +10 different DLCs as well refuses to release it publicly? Or is that someone else I'm confusing him with.
Correct, that is him. And because his requirements are ridiculous is why it isn’t likely be widely used, if he ever intends to release it. But, I am the one who kinda told him off about what I, as well as others, felt he was doing. And using the project as a means to boost his fragile ego, and attain some level of relevance in the community. Understandably, it is a huge undertaking for one person. But he’s been offered help numerous times, no response, then when he finally admits he needed some assistance. He still never took the help. Then, most kept posting pics of the same areas , as if that is all the route consisted of. So it made many, including myself question his credibility in whether he was actually making any real progress throughout all the time he’s been developing it. Having said all that, is the reason why I, as well as some others, still feel DTG should certainly put this into consideration, if they haven’t already. would definitely incentivize the need for a Amtrak Ex-Metroliner cab car, that has also long been needed in TS20xx.
The Keystone Corridor was formerly owned by the Pennsylvania RR and later Penn Central, Conrail, and NS. I'd love to see this route set in the 50s with PRR GG1s, E44s, and a diesel or two (maybe an FM Trainmaster, Baldwin Sharknose, Alco RSD15, or SD9 Cadillac for heavy freights and a GP9, NW2, or RS3 for switching in Pittsburg's Conway Yard.
mate we're talking about the Keystone Corridor not the entire PRR mainline from Philly to Pittsburgh. Even if we had the line made for TS by DTG it'd probably only come with a GG1 and GP9 for equipment, they're not really ones to go out of the way and make new equipment when they can pull from their preexisting archive. (Unless its a specific prototype for the route in question, then it'd probably be a separate DLC)
Question: We talking about having the route how it currently is, with quadruple track only part of the way; how it used to be back in the day, with quadruple track all the way to Harrisburg and back with GG1's and the sort; or a what-if version of how it is nowadays but with the quadruple track all the way to Harrisburg and back?
I would prefer the best time period where you get the most operational variety. I'm certainly not against a recent or modern-day version of the route, as that is what I would gravitate towards the most, personally.
Both the modern and historic era representations both have their own merits I'd say. On one hand, commuter trains, branded or not, running alongside the Amtrak services would be an enjoyable experience. Who knows, this might invite the potential for a route merge that takes things well beyond the bounds of 30th Street Station. On the other hand, a mixed-traffic PRR renditon sounds fantastic. Of particular interest would be the short, but scenic P&T branch between Frazer and Thorndale, with its tall viaduct over Brandywine Creek, and the truss bridge that crosses the mainline at an angle above Thorndale station. For some sort of new rolling stock to include, I'd say that something like the GE E44, commonly used here would sufficiently represent freight operations on the line, while the venerable MP54 MU cars worked passenger services alongside GG1s. While not entirely accurate, I imagine that some players will use the NH E33 and the Metro North M2s here to benefit from a classic time warp.
It would just be nice to be offered something other than what we're mostly constantly bombarded with. Freight/mountainous routes. But it would be cool for DTG to actually package routes in a way that you could get both modern, and past versions of a particular route. As usually in a lot of cases, are only track configurations, and some scenery and station differences.
