The sphere of my dreams DTG locomotive models are of very high quality, but I would like to consider a very optimistic variant - fully interactive & mostly simulated locomotive (or train - loco & dedicated cars **) for TSW. These types of add-ons can be found in Train Simulator. Theoretical criteria: - full documentation - expected fps decrease - all switches are interactive - layers or / & scenarios included - prototypical cold start possibilities - high quality, authentic audio samples - some extras, eg high-quality photographies - enhanced physics (** eg couplers endurance) - adequate price, route DLC level, or even higher - extra modeling (eg engine room, for cold start purposes) - most systems simulated (these ones important for driving) - ... My answer is YES. BR o7
I would answer yes except DTG have clearly stated that increasing prices would not change the quality of the final product.
Depends on the train, there's really not a 'one size fits all' solution as every piece of stock differs in complexity. Much of what would make something more complex in my eyes would also only ever be used in fault conditions, which of course aren't simulated at present. TSW in many cases already has most of the important systems simulated for standard driving, although it does miss out on items like train data entry at the beginning of a service or such. There is room to improve, but not enough to double the present cost of a DLC imo.
The main three areas of focus of trains in TSW for me are: - Accurate sounds - Accurate physics - High, detailed textures If it requires the price to be raised in order to achieve it, then I’d vote YES. I’d happily pay a bit more in order to get something of a bit more quality and accurate, as well as sounding better.
I already did in TS with the CP AC4400. It was easily worth the price and I rarely want to drive anything else in TS. If this did come to TSW, it would even more attractive if it could be subbed into other services and routes.
My answer is no. Rasing prices wouldn't mean an improved product as dtg have said it wouldn't mean an improved product
The question is: Would You Buy A High Fidelity Train For Tsw For A Higher Price? 1. Already improved one 2. Not necessarily from DTG!
That‘s exactly what I would say. Perhaps you saw a thread created some months ago, breblimator, which basically asked your question but for routes. Sam, Natster or someone else from DTG got involved and said that an increase in price would not mean an increase in quality. I would be willing to pay more for a really good model, especially if it had a completely modelled and interactive engine room as I really like realistic cold starts etc., but as you say it won‘t happen with DTG‘s current business model. If that were to change, then yes - I would pay more for a higher quality loco.
There's no reason other companies couldn't produce higher quality loco content for a higher price, though.
I don't think dtg would even make a higher fidelity train. I think dtg already considers their trains high fidelity. What seems to be asked is the ability to click more buttons and more scenarios along with improvements to coupling systems. The trains in tsw2 are very well modeled and I go as far to say that they are modelled accurately. You can also look for documents of the train that you are using online so my answer is no
Yes but I'm going off what was said by dtg. Higher prices doesn't mean quality will be improved and not everyone is willing to pay extra just to click some more buttons
To be fair most of your list contains items that TSW is supposed to provide already...most systems, switches, good audio etc and so on what exactly do you want that isn't currently supposed to be provided? If you are saying you want the same but better then really I'm not sure what you want. There isnt really anything extra here for additional money. I suppose enhancement pack style content is the idea here but I can't see that happening as it seems that DTG can't even do anything with Rivet content or vice versa so the idea that one company makes base versions and then someone else comes along and improves it seems to be a dead end in TSW.
Something like this one - link MERGE What do I want - in the survey description. The question is, would you be able to pay? Would you like to? Rather, it is not about disputes, but about market research. My personal opinion is that there is no company that can cope with this task (UEngine), and DTG, as you rightly noticed, has no such intention. I am driven by simple curiosity
Well if that's the case then it's a maybe for me. $20 for a train is fine for me but something like $30 or $40 is too much in my opinion. How would you even justify the price increase. Clicking extra buttons and some slight improvents to some may not justify a price increase
There are a whole lot of reasons why they don't want to complicate their portfolio more, and they even once asked a similar question in a survey (or maybe it was just a regular discussion) - it was about improvements to existing products and in this context, they replied (as you noticed) that 'add-ons to add-ons' are not an option. Then I got the impression that the question was asked incorrectly. Honestly - I do not count on such a development. But I dream someone (TSG?) is considering such a scenario in the future! Thanks for your feedback!
Hopefully they never do this, as we'll end up in the bad state that Train Simulator is in where there is no consistency and companies can charge ridiculous prices for single trains. Please, never let TSW become like Train Simulator... Spoiler It may be good, but £30 is still ridiculous.
This is basically the question - is this price appropriate? The product is purely theoretical. Thanks!
I voted "Yes", but with the caveat we are not talking PMDG £100+ type prices for an add on and a few liveries. If the current price of a loco/trainset add on is £11.99 then I might go to £19.99 for a higher fidelity model - just as I would probably pay £34.99 rather than £24.99 for a longer route, if it interested me of course.
I see where you get the idea but I feel like dtg is slowy getting better in making trains like the class 465 for example. I think dtg can improve trains over time at the standard price
I equate this and the concept of Hi-fi/longer routes/locos to building a small extension for your home i.e. you really cant add significant value to the property when you take it to market, BUT it WILL make your sale more attractive than the alternatives. I know some people will choose to read this as I want better but am not willing to reward the efforts of the artist, but the pricing structure is about right as is BUT that is only true if you follow DTG candor that there is room for improvement. It has been mentioned that getting the new products closer to what they should be on release day is a bigger priority so adding extra features is counterproductive to that effort. IMHO product turnaround time is also long enough atm for both the punter and DTG, not to mention, do DTG want a 2 tier system? The fact that we have preservation crew bringing older releases up to new release expectation level tells me there will be no 2 tier system, aside from the creative logistics of hifi route or loco it would cause confusion re expectations and DTG seem to be making a lot of effort to avoid this.
No. I am already satisfied with the products (as long as they work) and would not pay any more for a locomotive. As it is, I already wait for significant discounts to be applied before buying routes and locos I want. Putting the price up would put me off completely.
Sim Rail 2021 will have those features as they will focusing on a advanced train sinulation, so no, personally i woudn't "pay more" for those features. DTG already charges a lot for their reused and rushed products.
I mean, on one hand Searchlight Simulations CP AC4400CW is one of the best loco DLCs for TS and even outdoes DTGs CSX AC4400CW on TSW2 in just about everything. (From sounds to physics) On the other hand, we have the TGV Reseau from DTG, which is still broken...... And if you want to know how bad it is, just read thru the live article discussion here: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/ts19-réseau-renaissance.14205/
In the TSW world, I need to be simple. Better optimization Longer railway line Better real world Better sound of train sound
I will be comparing side by side the 185.2 and 185.5 from TSW to the E186 from Sim Rail, those trains are from the traxx family, so i will see what detail and functions does Sim Rail make compared to DTG
I would be willing to pay a little extra if it meant more detail. HOWEVER, if this is done via third party. It should all be sold through steam and should work with the base content. Using TS as an example, you can buy third party packs and install them only to find you need to purchase 20+ other packs for the included scenarios to work as intended. I'm not paying £100+ to play AP's Class 37 scenarios when they should be fully playable when you purchase the Class 37 pack alone. Anyone who buys just that pack are isolated to quick drive unless they can work out the antique scenario designer. I don't think it's wrong that third party content should have to go through DTG, it prevents the above practice.
Not in terms of physics. Everything is relative of course, so compared to more arcade style games the physics is well modelled but in absolute terms not so much. You can check my post history where I have reported several criticisms of the physics on multiple different trains in different regions.
