Crr Snowy Hillstart

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  1. phillip.good

    phillip.good Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so here I am in journey 2 opening scenario pulling a coal train from Potter to Dante.... but I can’t seem to even get to started.

    SD40 x 3, all cabs set up with Gen on in each and have tried to pull away in every throttle setting.... just keep spinning up or sliding back with or without sand.... any pointers?
     
  2. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    Are you talking about the generator field switch on the upper right corner of the control stand? If so, that should be off on all trailing units.
     
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    phillip.good Well-Known Member

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    Really? I thought I read that it should be on on all trailing units! Ok, so now off in all units and still spinning or sliding.....
     
  4. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    There wouldn‘t happen to be any banking units at the end of the train, would there?

    In ~2-3 hours, I can try it for myself, see if there‘s anything unusual going on and report back to you.
     
  5. phillip.good

    phillip.good Well-Known Member

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    Nope, no banking units, just 3 SDs on a 1.5% grade in the snow.... can just about hold it on the hill but that’s about it... having a tea and a think... will keep trying...
     
  6. breblimator

    breblimator Guest

    Worth try 'IRL' procedure for snowy hill-start:

    1. Full Brakes (auto & indy)
    2. Release the auto brake and wait
    3. Build some AMPs during air propagation (1-2 notches)
    4. Try to go to notch 3 or 4 and start releasing indy brake (do not go fully released!)
    5. Increase AMPs even further and wait for the train to start crawling
    6. Use sand
    7. Play with throttle up & down but do this very gently (against weel slip)

    Good luck!
    Patience is the key!

    some example - link :)
     
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  7. Oli R C

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    Indeed, it's as breblimator says. This will get you rolling in the right direction, but it will be a very slow start. I've just tried it out, and you can only achieve notch 3 of power. This will get you to 0.6mph, after which point, it's a waiting game. And I believe it's quite a long wait before you add more power.

    snowy-hill-start.jpg

    For setting up the locos, forget about the trailing units. They appear to be set correctly. Just set up the lead loco as per usual.
     
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  8. breblimator

    breblimator Guest

    I haven't got there with my Journey yet, but because of you guys, I'm so excited!
    Sam asked Matt during the stream if the snow scenarios were definitely doable - he answered: yes.

    Fingers crossed! Write back when you get there! :D
     
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  9. Oli R C

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    Hehe, I've not got the time do that one at the mo, but hopefully the OP will get there and report back. I believe there is already a discussion somewhere on this scenario, and that it takes a good couple of hours or so... :):cool:
     
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  10. phillip.good

    phillip.good Well-Known Member

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    Yup, after an hour and a half I am achieving 0.6mph

    cheers lads
     
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    It's about 80 minutes of this before you reach about 2 mph, where you can go for notch 4. From there it starts getting better (as long as you're careful) and soon you're at line speed. But yeah, 80 minutes at 0.6 mph is PAIN (and not the french pain).
     
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  12. Oli R C

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    Excellent! Good luck, and safe journey! :D
     
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  13. Oli R C

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    Hehe, yes, I knew someone had done it, and indeed it was you. Well done for hanging in there! :) I'm kinda looking forward doing it myself. :o:D
     
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  14. breblimator

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    Well, so we already know that it is possible and that Monder has gray hair.
    The price is high...
     
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  15. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    Can you write a bit louder? My hearing has gotten worse with age. :D
     
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  16. breblimator

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    Whaaat? Is someone there?

    I propose a challenge. A small gift for the first person who presents the proof for completing the entire CRR Journey. This is a very inexpensive award (symbolic!), but I promise to keep my word!
     
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  17. phillip.good

    phillip.good Well-Known Member

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    Crikey Moses you’re on but given I am still doing 0.6mph we may be some considerable time!
     
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    Ok, I can see now what the fuss is about. That train is definitely not in a hurry :D
     
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    The problem is traction in the snow- you simply cannot throttle up above notch 3 on the starting grade without the wheels breaking loose. All you can do is wait it out until you get up to the tunnel; by the time you come out the far side you should be able to gradually bring up the power since the grade isn't as severe.
     
  20. breblimator

    breblimator Guest

    My turn. Train of Pain. It is happening!
    This is some kind of US AFB&LZB I think. Select notch 3 and go sleep :D
     
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  22. breblimator

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    This is my way too, but - the first mistake leads to restarting :D It's FUN!
     
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    I think it's simply ridiculous to expect someone who has paid for this add-on to sit for near 90 minutes doing 0.6 mph before "it gets better". Please please please fix the traction or drop the weight on the 3016 southbound CRR hill start. I'm at my wits end with work-arounds. This is broken!!
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    I've had a notion which I'll experiment with- the problem is that at Notch 3, there isn't enough power to accelerate, but at Notch 4, the wheels turn with too much torque, and there is no Notch 3-1/2. thered14's solution effectively creates Notch 3-1/2 by juggling rapidly between three and 4.

    But what if one were apply just enough loco brake to retard the speed of the driving wheels a bit, so that maybe one could get it into 4 without slip? I'll have to play with it......
     
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  25. breblimator

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    You must be tough, soldier. It's a piece of cake.
    Music, some juice, slowly forward.
    I write posts in my sleep and you can't handle the train?
     
  26. hyperlord

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    Yeah I'm a little bit astonished as why so many people here just "dumb" put it on notch3 and go away doing something else.
    My experience after playing CRR for 15 minutes: This route and locos needs intuitition and sure instinct from the driver.
    My experience after playing CRR for 6 hours: This route and locos needs intuitition and sure instinct from the driver.
    Like the 363.

    Come on guys!
     
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  27. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure wiggling a throttle between two notches for ten minutes is something your engine would appreciate. If this was to happen IRL, I think those two sitting F7s in the yard would simply give you a push.
     
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  28. breblimator

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    I like this scenario. Sometimes it is like that in reality. But I understand, not everyone will like this part of the journey. A matter of taste. And the black SD 40 against the background of snow. Majestic.

    I wonder if it was done intentionally in-game.
     
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    Absolutely!
     
  30. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    I kept jiggling the throttle and made it up to about 2.5mph, real knack to it which unfortunately I couldn't sustain. Eventually i hit the tunnel and got up to speed.
     
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