The Big Br187 Bugs Topic

As I'm seeing different topics openend for the newly released BR 187, I created this one to collect all the known problems in one place to make an easy overview.
Update 4-11-2021: The people of Skyhook are aware of the issues below and are actively looking for solutions to fix the bugs.
Update: 11-9-2022

Current Known problems reported:

• AFB not working correctly (AFB is applying full throttle regardless of throttle set percentage) (AFB power needs to be limited by throttle postion)
• Main pipe pressure indicator in MFD screen is broken, not moving at all (this could maybe be a simple fix, as the UI pressure indicator is working)
• Adhesion is totally off (but that seems to be a problem with the whole TSW), wheelslip almost never appears on a dry rail with such a modern vehicle. Traxxes suffer from wheelslips, but not like this heavy.
• AFB just can´t manage the selected speed, it takes ages to reach it and maintains speed just a few km/h down of it.
• "From Aachen to Ehrenfeld" scenario achievement not unlocking
• Off/on position switches in engine room are incorrect (other way around)
• MFD shows power is available while pantograph is on the roof and circuit breaker is closed. (The problem is you can close the circuit breaker while the pantographs are on the roof, in real life this would not work like this)
• Changing P/G/R regime brake doesn't work in MFD screen (bug or missing feature?)
• Signal lights still not in "A" configuration, and misplaced
• Wrong sounds for: Traction, compressor, horn, braking, motor/traction cooling fans (This has been mentioned in the Twitch stream as a known problem, due to Covid-19 there was no availability to record the real thing, when this possibillity is there again, they are looking to update it)

PZB/LZB Related:

• PZB bug if loco is driven from CAB1. It only show blinking yellow 1000Hz/speed under 100km/h when reversing. Problem affects banker return services on MSB and others where you run loco in both directions (RSN, HBK).
• LZB/PZB Release not working on LZB End.
• LZB display not functioning (as already reported by Mr heff
• PZB 70 is white when passing 1000hz magnet

Fixed:

• Updated pantograph to limit interaction for a minimum of 10-seconds after it has been raised or lowered
• Updated preset menu functionality
• Fixed an issue whereby the D-pad could not correctly update the Reverser state when using Immersion controls
• Updated the player’s driving position when seated in the driver’s seat
• Updated various exterior details including decals, numbering, and the brightness of the forward headlights
• Emergency braking position on brake lever should not be dependent on active/inactive brake cutout.
• Update: 11-09-2022
  Fixed issue where changing AFB would lock the traction lock
  Updated audio for AFB and safety systems
  Updated horn speed
  AFB can now be activated whilst the train is running
  Added functionality to driver’s screen so the B icon appears correctly when LZB has changed its isolation state
  Updated Rail Driver functionality
  The train brake should now set the dynamic brake as well
  Added Contact Signaller and Simple Radio functionality
  Emergency brake can now be triggered when the electric brake is cut-out
  Fixed a bug where the Cab 2 signal light indicator could disappear
  Increased high beam brightness
• Updated PZB and LZB functionality

 

WOW, it really is as bad as everyone is saying. Didn’t even finish the first service in it and got it refunded.

Two deal breaker for me:

- Sound
- Side markings

In the state it is in now, I (personally) would only take it for free, if only one of the above is fixed I’ll wait for 50% discount, if they fix both I’ll buy it for the full price.

EDIT: I was thinking about the fact why the side markings are such a big deal for me and came to the conclusion that, in my eyes, it simply shows such a huge disrespect for the customer and the community, in getting such basics and easy spottable things wrong, that I am simply not willing to support a company like that. Don’t want to know how the rest of the research went, throughout the development… Anyway, just my thoughts

 

Thanks for this.

 

This ALWAYS bothers me. The constant talk of photographic references being used to get the accuracy just right and then releasing something with incorrect detail is a contradiction.

 

Proof of the middle MFD not showing safety systems while under LZB



Also AFB is working wrong. If AFB is set to a certain speed, it automatically applies full throttle power regardless of the throttle lever percentage. I dont know whether that is realistic but it doesnt feel like its right.

 

How did you turn AFB on btw?

 

No, it’s not…

how is that supposed to work with wheel slip?

 

I activated AFB by just moving it to the target speed while being stopped.
Also, right MFD Contrast is buggy:


LZB/PZB Release not working on LZB End. Also the parking brake activates itself automatically after e-brake

next bug, PZB 70 is white when 1000hz

 

Es ist einfach eine Frechheit, was bei DTG abgeht.

Wo sind die Qualitätskontrollen?
Wo sind die Patches, auf die wir auch schon lange warten? (Rushhour-Abstürze!)

Es ist einfach reinen Verarsche…man sieht einfach wie wenig Mühe sich gegeben wird…und ja, DTG geht es nur ums Geld…die einzige Hoffnung, die wir haben können, ist Train-SIM-Germany…mit der BR420, der Ludmilla und der Vossloh G6…

 

1. English please.
2. Thats offtopic. Voice your opinion in a different part of the forums.

 

Das hat nichts mit DTG zu tun. Skyhook hat diesen DLC entwickelt. DTG ist nur der Publisher.
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DTG has nothing to do with this DLC. Skyhook developed the DLC and DTG just published it.

 

Please stay on topic and report bugs qith the 187 here pls.

 

Ja, aber dass den DLC niemand von DTG oder sonst wer überprüft…ich meine jeden sollte eigentlich auffallen, dass die Sounds nicht passen können…

 

Leute, lasst den Offtopic bitte. Hier werden Bugs reported.

 

Added bugs to the list reported by doublefine7

 

Just push the AFB lever forward. No master switch. There's no point though, as AFB will apply full power and slip the wheels like there's no tomorrrow. Sad.

Not sure if it's a bug but how do you turn off lights in the right MFD? I can only select between headlights and taillights for each cab, but not "off".

Also, maybe not technically a bug but the context-sensitive circle key (Sifa/PZB) is not implemented here. I would really appreciate it if that could be added like on the new 185 from DRA.

Another minor point: the 187 I'm driving right now is labelled 187 181 on the front and one side and 187 183 on the other side.

 

The achievement for completing the scenario "From Aachen to Ehrenfeld" doesn't unlock on PC.

 

IMO the sound is the big killer. It is really bad and idk if anyone else gets this or if its just because I’m on Xbox but it gets really glitchy at high speeds and sounds horrible. However, the loco is modelled wonderfully and aesthetically Skyhook have done the 187 justice, but this doesn’t excuse the god awful sounds and other numerous issues. Hopefully it gets fixed soon

 

Added some issues reported on Steam store page

 

is it prototypical to only activate afb from standing still? it's been acting funky if you meddle with the lever while moving,it doesn't activate it but your traction just drops as if set speed is 0 it seems

 

Along with what has already been said, I can't get the train to activate PZB mode O. PZB modes U and M are fine. Anyone else with this issue? I think ultimately I will request a refund. The whole train feels cheaply made even down to the animation of switching the LZB and PZB on in the motor room. Disappointing honestly.

 

PZB mode O should not work as it's a freight loco only. This is correct.

To activate AFB while moving, throttle to off, AFB level to max then turn on AFB. Then reduce AFB to where you want it, then increase throttle.

Yeah, the AFB is not working as it should.

 

Interesting. However, I am curious as to why it should be listed on the MFD if it is not to be run as a passenger train?

 

No, this is not correct. A fright train can theoretical also run in "O". Also, the loco can drive on its own quite happily, using "O"

 

Well at least DTG are being consistent recently! While they may not have developed either of these two DLC's they will have reviewed them so in the last 4 releases we've had 3 with major issues and a broken achievement!

 

I'm wondering, I've seen mentions that the power lever on the real thing is not from 0 to 100% of power, but acts like a manual lapped power handle (i.e. as long as you push it forward, you increase power, if you release it it will keep the set power). Can anyone knowledgeable confirm or deny this?

 

The standard Traxxes are equipped with those brake (increase/decrease) handles for traction and braking yes. However, the Traxxes from DB are just like in real life somewhat different. So I believe the current setup is correct.

 

is there a seperate switch for the afb? cause at standstill the lever activates the AFB,while moving it kills your traction but sets no speed and I can't find a seperate switch

 

I don't know if it's a bug. The 187 only has two options in the Scenario Planner. The locomotive and an approx. 320 mixed freight option.

 

The same error. Passed three times, but failed. PC Steam

 

I had finished "From Aachen to Ehrenfeld" scenario but never received the achievement on Steam.

 

Bei den Spitzensignalen is es in echt die Möglichkeit sterben Spitzensignale über den Bildschirm zu deaktivieren [Nicht nur rot oder weiß]

Das Modell hat vorne noch die Aufschrift Bombardier was im Game nicht vorhanden ist.

 

no. If the loco drives without waggons, it has enough breakpower (GER: Bremshundertstel) to Drive in PZB Zugart O.

 

This can very well happen, however, the PZB mode is a simple function of how much brh you have. Mode „O“ is automatically set when you enter a brh of above 111t Info the system.

an example: A 185 has theoretical a max braked weight of about 145t in R+E, leading to about 172t brh. However, if you drive without unpowered vehicles, the E brake may not be calculated to the brh, hence you end up with a max braked weight of 126t, leading to 150t brh. You can see, you may be limited in max speed, however, you are well within your brh value for mode „O“

If you are now limited to P brake mode, you are, in fact, reducing your brh further, to 107t and you would end up with mode „M“. This would be the situation you are referring to, I guess.

I am not an expert on the 187, however, to my knowledge all TRAXX have the same braking equipment, hence you will have a high enough braked weight.

 

This may be prototypical. AFB, AIUI, actually does run a few km/h below set speed; and a dedicated freight engine is geared for tractive effort, not acceleration.

 

Yes, the systems seem quite different, indeed! Interesting! Out of interest, do you have cargo trains going up to 140kmh? Otherwise it wouldn’t make sense to buy locos which can run 140, if they can not even run that speed on its own?! After all, Vmax with “M” is limited to 125kmh…

The reason why e brakes are not considered in this case is that they take such a high percentage in the overall braking when on its own. They can fail quite easily, ie when the main switch drops out, power fails, etc. Hence you only rely on pneumatics, as it is much more fail safe.

 

Same thing has happened to me, the steam achievement has not unlocked

 

Added "From Aachen to Ehrenfeld" scenario achievement not unlocking to the list

 

Thanks for sharing this inside view! I believe it is similar handled in Switzerland, right? It’s interesting, there are similarities, obviously the physics are the same, hence it must be, but it is quite a different approach.

The tilting stuff is quite interesting as well, but opens up a whole new topic, probably not well suited for this thread

BTW, I can’t open your last attachment, it comes back with the error that it can not be found. Could you re-post it? I would be interested to see it.

 

Works now, thanks!

Amazing that we managed to turn a br187 thread into something good

 

yeah it's the same in belgium like in italy,the one from my photo has a weight of 88 tonnes but has 124 brake tonnage,still when light speed is max 100km/h,traxxes here can run 120km/h light though. Our older loco (HLE27) weighs 85 tonnes but has only 88 brake tonnage,so his max V 100km/h makes more sense

 

Can someone tell where/how to turn Banking COMM on BR 187?
I didn't find that button, yet, and want to use it Spessart rampe?

 

This is an interesting video from a German loco driver who also contributed to the development of the BR 187. I can only recommend that Skyhook view this. I concur with most of his statements (I think he mixes up Rivet and Skyhook in the beginning, but the statements about the loco are spot on).

The video is in German but it can be viewed using Youtube's auto-translated subtitles.

Definitely worth watching!

 

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting to hear some behind the scenes stuff.

 

Even the switches are the other way around

 

In the end of this video you see that no panto has contact with the roof and still, the right MFD shows that power is available

 

Added to the list

 

More likely it's simply because empty stock moves are a lower priority than scheduled services

 

Gotta love how the frame markings were all taken from a passenger engine, presumably a 147. DB Regio? A passenger brake set?