North Korea, as a Marxist state, doesn't recognize property rights. That is a hallmark of free societies. I like how you keep trying to find excuses for getting Free Stuff which may be someone else's property, the law be damned.
Well, DB Netz owns all of the trackage in Germany, so the issue of potential trespass arises; also, because the recordings actually came from a 147, and I believe DB owns all of those. Note that SHG/DTG would have to have *positive evidence* that the sound recordings were obtained legally; the burden of proof is on them.
Unless Bombardier gives you its sound recordings for the locomotive and you use them commercially there are no legal issues. I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble because they have recorded and used the sound of a train or locomotive. As the 3d model is something palpable certain , the sound is not and neither it can be recreated on a 1:1 scale neither proved to be the same.
You would need to be able to show permission in writing from the owner of whatever airport you were making the recording in, unless you were in the terminal (from where getting a decent recording would be very tough). Or Ryan Air (etc) if you somehow got into the cockpit. In the case of a train, there is no way to get a full set of loco sounds unless you are either in the cab, or in the railyard. And you have to be able to prove you were there with permission.
Lol, people here claiming that the manufacturer or railway company has copyright ownership over the sound a train makes... Ridiculous. Imagine Mazda going on YouTube and copyrighting millions of "RX7 brap brap sound compilation" videos. You can have copyright over creative works, like music, melodies or speech, but not over a goddamn functional sound. If you could have, then noone could make car engines as they all sound the same, or noone could make trains as they all make clack-clack noises going over junctions...
I don't think skyhook would've gotten in trouble either for using sounds that they were offered so this whole legal notion brought up by some is just ridiculous. Shame they used covid as a cheap excuse too. If this was the case for every train in the world, then railfans recording trains wouldn't be a thing. Modding in ts probably wouldn't be a thing either since a manufacturer would go after modders putting a train's audio in the game.
Agree. Even a 3D model can be used without any license issues as long it has some minor differences from the real thing and does not use any clear branding, imagine how it would be to require a license for something so less defined and common as sound. Also this thread is about the BR 187 so please stop talking about nonsense , if someone is feeling like a lawyer go on the appropriate forum and embarrass yourself there.
All replaced sounds heard in my last video were recorded at train stations - and the station rules from DB Station & Service do not prohibit audio recordings like in this case, only commercial photos, video- and TV recordings without permission (see 2.6). If you, for some reason, really want proof that I recorded these sounds at stations and not in yards/cabs/whatever, I have recorded the sounds with video. I won't talk about copyrighted train sounds (like, really?), that should be obvious. Also, keep in mind that I am German, so German law will apply to me and my work, so it might be different from the laws you have.
To end this pretty pointless discussion: Yes. At least in his video he says that everything he did in terms of providing material happend with consent. So SHG definitley had the chance to use the sound recordings. Of course we don't know how good those recordings are. But in his video he says that he recorded the sounds in the way SHG wanted him so record it.
This makes me super sad. I haven't bought a single Skyhook DLC (and I originally wanted both as I'm familiar with real-life counterparts for them), I was cautious after Rivet. And I really wanted to get Horseshoe with GEVOs... but as long as those who bought 187 and Cane Creek won't get them fixed... pass. So hear, hear, Skyhook. You fix those two DLCs, I buy them and Horseshoe no discount needed. Otherwise not a single purchase from you. Show us your customer relations.
You don't need to explain yourself to someone that has no right to ask justification. You could record sounds by traveling under the train, or traveling on the loco roof with your toque on the catenary, its no ones business to ask you how you did something. Just continue your fantastic work and ignore any explanations request from people that lack both manners and common sense.
About the plane model... Look up Project wingman on steam, real plane models, just removed logos and real names, no legal problems, also scs, in ets2 there's a 186 driving about, does scs have a license for that from bombardier?
In ETS you also have TGV and a lot of other trains. Also all traffic cars are based on real life ones without the real life logo.
I wasn't claiming that; you need to read more carefully. In the case of sounds the issue is whether they were obtained legally.
I think we should also talk about the AFB because it seems to be a real mess. Go to minute 13:30 and see what happens when I set the speed from 40 to 90. Also note that once activated, the AFB cannot be deactivated. Or maybe everything must be set from the onboard computer? Can anyone tell me if DTG/Skyhook are working to fix the problem or should we have some good modder do this too?
Yep, that happens to me every time I get a large increase in line speed - it's like I'm running on grease...
I don't understand how they could have put a highly buggy product like this up for sale. I just feel embarrassed for them. Now I understand why Matt skipped the launch on Youtube.
I think recording rights depends on the operator/land owner. Network Rail don't seem to mind people photographing as long as it is done safely and without obstruction to other passengers along with heritage railways. However there are privately run light rail systems that do not seem allow it without a license, namely Tyne & Wear Metro and more recently Metrolink (who were fine with it under Stagecoach ownership but apparently not anymore). Manchester Victoria is a bit of a grey area to my understanding since you are on Network Rail platforms but cannot technically photograph anything without catching parts of the arena building. I reckon if you only see Northern Rail & Network Rail staff around you should be ok, but if arena security are around just head over to Salford Central instead. I don't know about the rules for DB.
What a thread. With some of the opinions on here, AP should have a warrant for their arrest and a worldwide manhunt going on for the sounds that they've recorded/released.
Talking of sounds, there is now an outstandig soundmod: https://rail-sim.de/forum/filebase/entry/7750-el-shg-db-br187-soundmod/ It's hard to decide. I don't want to give SHG money for that, but i want to have this loco so bad! I think I'll wait for a patch where they at least fix PZB and LZB, maybe I'll buy it on a sale then. But just because this sound mod exists.
Not only them, every other company or person that recorded sound or video off any vehicle should be imprisoned. Can you imagine what kind of people could promote such thing on these forums? Insane stuff something you might see in those dark dystopia SCI FI movies. Thank good this is just some twisted thinking and the current laws in EU are not a follow up to Kim Jong-un creations
It isn't a matter of criminal law, but civil. And no corporation bothers sending expensive lawyers out to sue penniless individuals.* But suing commercial firms, that's a different matter; they can and they do. Google "product displacement," the practice of covering up identifiable brands in movies and TV shows to avoid getting a nasty cease-and-desist from somebody's attorneys. *Actually, on occasion they do do it in terrorem, although obviously it's a money-losing proposition
I just released the first beta version of my mod: https://rail-sim.de/forum/thread/34598-irflouz-s-tsw-2-enhancement-packs/?postID=743787#post743787 The installation process should be known, if you have any questions, let me know. Next thing on the list would be to look whether I can do something about the interior sounds, I'll let you know if there is something new. Enjoy!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I didn't buy they 187 yet (and I will wait for a sale), as I don't like to give Skyhook games the money for this mess! You (and the other members who are fixing it) would deserve the money instead. However, fantastic! Release thursday, 4 days later a lot of fixes and already the first Sound-mod is out. That's how it should be, in the meantime only blabla from Skyhook.
Wow, the 187 feels so much better to drive now. You did an amazing job on this and incredibly quick too. Why can't Dovetail get a horn recording like this? Literally all German horns so far have been quite a bit off. Even though it's not perfect, yours at least sounds like a European horn should and not like a toy.
They did it ugly 2x and it's still the same people who are developing Horseshoe Curve: Altoona . God help us!
as always, what has to be done, at least on pc, is the community! Thank you very much Sound Pack by FloribertHD:https://rail-sim.de/forum/thread/34598-irflouz-s-tsw-2-enhancement-packs-soundmods/?pageNo=3 Mini EP by TaskPlays &AlexanderL:https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...patches/i1598-db-br-187-mini-enhancement-pack Light Mod by Elena:https://rail-sim.de/forum/filebase/entry/7749-el-shg-db-br187-lightmod/
Elena has her own sound mod out now as well:https://rail-sim.de/forum/filebase/entry/7750-el-shg-db-br187-soundmod/
Which one is the best sound mod? Looks like there are two of them. We also need a driver camera update. It is not in center compared to the seat, and a bit too high. Can't we have adjustable driver seats as a standard, at least on locos that has this in real life?
I'm not knocking the hard work by irFlouz at all, but I like Elena's a bit better. The latest version of EP mod linked above has the seat position fixed.
Yeah I found the camera fix, how could the release a such wrong camera position? I'll test Elena's pack too, irFlouz sound mod was a lot better than the broken br 185 sounds.
Thanks for the mods, guys. Skyhook's incompetence is incredible. I hope they can never sell their products again. At least I don't buy anything from them anymore.
...and the mod is now out on the typical mod sites. https://rail-sim.de/forum/filebase/entry/7762-ir-db-br-187-soundmod/ https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world-2/c20-sounds/i1634-i-r-db-br-187-soundmod Again, if you have any feedback, say it!
cant get any of the new sounds to work on the 187 put it into the DLC like all my other mods are found? they all work great
I never said it was a criminal offense! There are multiple videos I have seen of people who have been kicked off Metrolink platforms for filming without licensing.
So it's being previewed for TS1 now with new sounds from RSSLO: Sounds nice - hope they can port them to TSW now.
Why weren’t the audio changes also included in the Train Sim World 2 version? The developer is looking at updating the DB BR 187 for Train Sim World 2 add-on, however we need to make it perfectly clear that this might not be possible for Train Sim World 2 with the RSSLO sound pack. The audio mixing for Train Simulator and Train Sim World 2 are very different operations. And what works for Train Simulator might not work for Train Sim World 2. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...tor-2022-train-sim-world-2-differences.48778/
