Road Map Train Sim World 2 - Roadmap Update 11/01/2022

The "05" could reference the period from which the design dates, even if production continued past 1990 and the units have been upgraded over time.

Although admittedly both the BR 363 and Class 313, from the 50s and 70s respectively, are coded "L07."

But setting aside DTG's weird DLC codes, one can hardly blame Maik for doing an updated model for a route set in 2020. The 420s still running in Munich are actually former Stuttgart sets gutted and refurbished in 2014. I assume that's MG's model. https://web.archive.org/web/2019031...-wie-alte-zuege-aufgemoebelt-werden-1.2157901
(NB: Properly these refurbs are now classed as BR 430s).

Indestructible old beasts: "[Leute] wurden die Baureihe auch "der heilige ET" genannt - eben weil er so unkaputtbar sei." Attributed to the solidity of the old-school design, and the fact that it's all electromechanical with no computers.

 

Now theres a train I'd like to see that you displayed here the East Midlands Trains class 222?

 

And another good point I like to make, so far tho there are many railway lines with track or overhead electrification with a few different very modern up to date electric trains, but British trains lack variety of Electric Trains and so far have no electric locomotives from the era of British Rail or modern day, like the classes 73, 85, 86, 87, 90, 91 and 92's, or even the Woodhead line class 76 would be great to see in the long term. Whos withe me?

 

Woodhead is another great candidate for a steam route combined with the cl.76 & 77.

 

According to the 1957 passenger working timetable I have most passenger trains over the route were electric hauled or EMU's at the Manchester end. Loco's were changed at Sheffield. There was still some steam over the Penistone to Sheffield section. Not sure about freight but I imagine a lot of those would have gone over to electric haulage.

Whilst I would love to see the Woodhead route in TSW, I love driving it in TS1, I don't think it is the best route to show steam off for the first time.

 

TBH, you shouldn't treat your customers like fools by removing the Ludmilla in the first place. Yes, we know it's not coming very soon, because TSG has said it will be the last loco of the three to be released.

 

I don't feel treated like a fool. How should they fool me on this?

 

I don't know, maybe you like being taken for a fool then?

 

Me neither, maybe some feel "cheated" that something that was on the map before now isn't (for one round at least)?

 

A bit over the top there I feel! I don't feel treated like a fool.

 

You know, instead of getting personal, you could just have explained in a constructive way, what exactly makes you feel like being fooled. Because it's interesting why you feel that way but I don't. But yeah, just go ahead and bash around. Thanks for nothing.

 

Well, if you guys are fine with it who am I to argue? If you want to argue semantics and whether "fool" was the right choice of word, go right ahead (you'll have to do it without me though). To me, the way they made this new roadmap just tells a lot about the way they view their customers. Removing a DLC entirely because it doesn't suit some convoluted reasoning that they made up in the first place. Maybe some more "decipherable" codes in the roadmap would help?

 

And your comment is any better how? But thanks for the psychoanalysis. I know I can be "snappish" at times, but maybe matinakbary should come up with a more worthwhile reply as well.

But for what it's worth, I agree I should have used more tact, so my apologies for that.

 

Whilst agreeing that the roadmap should be clear on what it's trying to convey, you also have to remember that the information that DTG are trying to put out, and the information people are receiving can be two very different things.
"We're working on this" can mean "we're working on it", "It's coming soon" or "Hey, we're chucking out another bug ridden mess made to dupe you out of your cash to complete the most expensive game on the planet" depending on your frame of mind (and we have all of those frames of mind on the forum)
Add in world wide language differences and you have a whole mess of different meanings, inflections and "reading between the lines" which just ends up messy

Overall, I read the "removal" of several issues on the forum to mean "They're nowhere near close to release" or "we cant' talk about this right now". Neither of which are "treating us like fools" per se, but I can see how people could read it that way

 

Honestly, respect for your apology!! I would have expected anything but not that.

 

I was just wondering do you know if the code for the expansion pack can I do that on PlayStation 5 where can I do it on the store on the console settings

 

So tired of this unadulterated LOVE, have used TSClassic for a decade, and focusing mostly on steam, the representation is very immersive, especially on the advanced locomotives. It gets busy at times, but certainly doable maintain fire level, water levels, making sure steam production is adequate for usage, learning to swap speed for pressure and vice versa, much more immersive, and for me fun, than just pushing go and stop which is what it feels like on modern EMUs and DMUs.

To maintain fire level, you open the firebox and then add coal is added at a controllable rate, which you can adjust, but you do not have to constantly shovel as in real life, watching the sight glass for water is an occasional glance and when low open a valve for the steam injector and then the feed water valve… watch the level by glancing occasionally then secure. Leaves plenty of time to watch the road ahead for signals and such. Adjusting the cut-off as speed and grade requires, knowing the route, planning when to fill the boiler which will reduce steam production to coincide when you can reduce steam demand.

So saying the implementation will be poor just because in RL it takes two tells me that comment is coming from someone who has never driven a steam engine in TS Classic or other simulation.

 

Woodhead was pretty much all electric operation as soon as the first electric trains ran, once the electric tunnel was complete the other two tunnels which could actually run steam locos were effectively decommissioned. The new main tunnel didn't have any ventilation so steam couldn't operate through it. There was a little bit of steam freight traffic which continued on either side of the Pennines but all Transpennine stuff was handled exclusively by electrics. Indeed steam survived in a few of the Yorkshire side collieries into the mid 70s but thats another matter entirely. The perception of the route having steam and electrics is probably down to something of a mistake of the original Woodhead pack which portrayed steam running at the same point as electrics which didn't really happen. Woodhead is a somewhat unique case in that it went from entirely steam operation to entirely electric operation almost overnight.

 

I see potential in this:

So dtg could sell the dlc as woodhead right after the electrification with the cl.76 &77.

For a steam gameplay dlc they could sell a separate timetable with small changes like overhead wire removal & tunnel under construction before the electrification took over.

 

I've driven steam in TS, didn't like it. Not particularly a fan of steam generally so really not bothered about it, or it's implementation.
Same for the LUL lines for me. The only reason I have Bakerloo is because I don't have a choice not to

 

And that is perfectly fine not to like steam and I applaud the diversity that is in TS Classic and is increasing in TSW2. Hopefully most can find something they like in all that is offered, no one is expected to embrace it all.

Steam is definitely not for every one, but to say it will be implemented poorly because in RL it takes two is not factual as to the original post I was responding.

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I personally feel DTG should move towards a quarterly roadmap update. This way we’d see what’s in the pipeline for the upcoming year but with each quarterly update, we’ll see what’s coming out before the next quarter.

In between the roadmap updates we’ll get a monthly roundup in the form of an article which lets us know more about what’s coming soon as well as anything else noteworthy.

Basically, the further out the release is, we’ll not get as much information, the closer we get, more details will be announced.

I’m just not a fan of the fortnightly update, it’s too frequent with very little change (not always).

 

I actually love steam mainly the older engines but I do like them I just think I will be LOVE at driving them but if it is not as difficult as I imagine I'll give it a go otherwise Diesel for me, I do get you were answering that other message. Do you think Steam might be compatible with the RailDriver? I know it won't be 100% realistic but might help people who have a few issues no? (me included)

I actually think the Roadmap could be more 'fluid'? I think they have said they won't announce new releases on the Roadmap, correct me if I'm wrong. For me though I'm only really interested in the fixes and updates. Where there are periods of lots of fixes and updates, especially outstanding ones or ones ready to be released there could be weekly Roadmaps but when nothing much is outstanding, minor bugs etc then their could be two, three or even a monthly one no?

 

Dtg do enough work in 2 weeks that they can release a roadmap that often

 

Agree! It's a bit like saying you can't fly a 747 in Flight Simulator as the real thing takes a crew of two (three depending on the aircraft type) to fly. That's why some things are simplified, like having your ATC frequencies autotuned or inputting an approach to the FMS sets up the correct ILS frequency. That's also why we have a pause button, so you can sit back and take stock for a minute (albeit TSW pause function takes you to a separate screen than the gameplay view),

 

World map at DTG offices.

 

You left in Northern Ireland and missed out the sliver of Canada and tiny bit of France...

 

Well, let's be fair, now. DTG also produces Train Simulator which has published routes and locos from China, Japan and South Africa to name just three additional countries.

( I didn't include the upcoming Icelandic route, which is still in planning as far as I know. )

 

Although I do like the sound of having steam in tsw 2 I have to agree with you there, multilayer would be needed to get the full steam experience.

 

That’s obvious given we’ve had a roadmap every two weeks for over a year.. You’ve forgot that I was stating my personal preference as to how often I’d like to see a roadmap update.

 

When you take the word 'World' from TSW2 do they mean 'world' as in the entire planet or 'World' as in the sense of 'Train driving'. If DTG meant driving a train in a 'Railway' sense then they get a pass but if they meant 'World' as in accommodating all the countries then DTG should think on a new title.

 

I believe “world” refers to the immersive element of the game. You can just roam around as if you were there.

 

I thought the same tbh.

 

In that sense I guess you have a point but that’s why the American Revolution happened we wanted to be different and besides trains the military is really our specialties

 

Inaccurate. Northern Ireland and Wales are on that map and so far DTG have neglected both.

 

I use the Cobra software in TSClassic and yes, steam maps quite nicely to the Raildriver, uses the reverser lever for the cut-off and the throttle, well for the throttle . With the cobra software you can map the different functions yourself to the buttons so pretty easy to develop a scheme fir injectors and stuff, but I usually just use the regular Keyboard and don’t bother. That being said, the Raildriver does make a the cut-off and throttle a bi more immersive.[/]

 

So just skip every second roadmap and you'll get to see only one a month. Meanwhile, those of us who do enjoy them every fortnight will get to see. Everyone's happy!

 

There's nothing immersive about Train Sim World.

 

what’s the 2000’s us route going to be?

 

An example from the Dovetail article, sorry to disappoint you.

"Rather than listing ongoing and upcoming projects according to their status, we will now break them up into the type of project it is. The order these projects are listed within their category is an indication of the order they’ll be released. Naturally, this order can change over time but we’ll be clear when this has happened, offering an explanation when possible. We’ll also list out projects that are still lacking final details or scope; if we know we’re making a US route set in the early 2000s we’ll add it to the Roadmap, but may well keep the identity of that route vague until it has been announced more fully."

 

You clearly didn’t read my post did you.

 

Of course I did. The periodicity you advocate for is quarterly, with monthly article updates. My point stands - just skip reading every other one and you will get your 'monthly' update. Everyone's a winner.

 

It's a UK company, you're lucky to get any German routes. You have your own train sim company that only does German routes and doesn't give a monkey's about the UK and German bus simulators too. DTG are too generous, if I had my way you wouldn't get any more. I'm getting a bit tired of endless red trains tbh. Nothing against Germans but your nationalised railways with just the one paint scheme are so boring - like British Rail before privatisation. There's more than enough modern German routes now for a silent majority of people I should imagine, time to do some modern UK routes and bring back colour and variety to the game.

 

I must tell my boss that as a UK company we should only trade with UK companies, the fact that we would only have had one order in the last three years and gone bankrupt is neither here or there.

I wonder if it says in the train simulator builders manual "thou shalt only build routes in the country you are based in"?!

I suggest you watch some videos on Youtube of the mid 80's onwards, you would see there were far more than one paint scheme!

 

Hear, hear. I'm actually really enjoying the German stuff and the latest Chemnitz to Dresden route is excellent. Far better than driving Electrostars from Brighton to Eastbourne or Victoria. Yes it would be nice to see some more vintage German content (70's & 80's) and maybe some proper mountainous single track routes, but for now I appreciate what we've got and anything else DTG put out. The German associates whether the route or train builders are real artisans and we're lucky to have them.

 

All things considered if I want to experience the modern world of British trains I'll go walk down to the station and buy myself a ticket.

What I want from the game is to experience the things that I never had the chance to in real life or enjoy the nostalgia of the trains of my childhood.

I want rattly old first generation units, I want old diesel locomotives that grwol and scream that'll blot out the sun with a cloud of thick diesel smoke, I want electric locomotives running high speed express services, I want rail yards that stretch as far as the eye can see.

Sure I can look at a photo of London Liverpool Street today and marvel at the FLIRTs which may well pave the way for the future of the railway or perhaps I can enjoy three different liveries of Aventra. But that is not the photo I will stop to appreciate, it is the photo of first generation EMUs, Class 47s and Class 86s hauling express services that will always make me go wow.

That is the world I want to enjoy in the game, the one I simply cannot go out and experience at will. I want to play the game to admire the railways as they once were, not play the game to be reminded of my commute to work.

That is why, even though I regularly enjoy playing the modern routes the ones I always return to are the Trans-Pennine and Tees Valley they are a glimpse into history and a world I never got to experience, that is what keeps me coming back to TSW2, more than anything else.

 

You've played this tune before and nobody's dancing to it. Whether you like it or not, and clearly you don't, DTG will continue to produce dlc from Germany, the UK and the US in about equal amounts and, hopefully, other countries which you probably won't like either. The " silent majority " you mention is actually a mixture of many nationalities as are the members of this forum.

 

We peasants from germany and USA want to Express you our sincere thankfullness. And of course thanks to the queen. After all, it's all her good will and DTG do their duty to the country to serve more UK routes.
Seriously, do you even listen to yourself? It's a big part of DTGs success that they Produce internationally. German and US routes and Locos are equally important for the whole franchise as UK content.

 

Who would have thought that WWIII would break out on the TSW forums. It’s almost like every country-related comment gets misunderstood and perceived as offensive.

 

What could be misunderstood about the original comment? He thinks it's bad that a British company produces products for non-Brits. Where is there room for interpretation in that statement?