PC Tharandter Rampe: Dresden – Chemnitz - The Definitive Feedback Thread

merci beaucoup

 

I’d argue EBuLa is even more powerful than the HUD. EBuLa gives you information on all upcoming speed restrictions in a certain radius, not just the next one. The only piece of information the HUD gives you and EBuLa doesn’t is the exact gradient. EBuLa does however inform you of extreme gradients with a zigzag line along the corresponding kilometers.

 

Fair point Lamplight. I was just approaching it from a viewpoint of "I can't really see what's on the right-hand screen, and the HUD's not given me anything that EBuLa isn't (if I turned the signal aspects off, which I haven't yet).
I just got 2 PZB emergency stops going towards Chemitz. First was for not quite slowing to 85 when going downhill after an acknowledge, second was for not reducing my acceleration quick enough when going downhill after the restart and so exceeding 45 km/h

 

I found, there are some problems with the speed limits on the route.
During a freight train, I encountered at least twice a sign with a 9, saying the speed limit is now 90, but the hud goes down to 80, meaning the game thinks I am speeding.

For the SIFA on the Dostos, you need to turn on 2 switches, for it to work.

There seems to be some problem with the PZB-magnets in the BR363-services, as I get a 1000Hz, when it should be a 2000Hz.

 

True there’s no perfect way to do it without a spring loaded lever on the RD but I would think it would be easier to use if full throttle represented holding the lever in the accelerate position and then we would manually move it backward as the spring would do into the hold current throttle position. To me that seems easier than having to move the throttle back and forth every 10% of acceleration.

 

Did it again, without many changes. Just went faster this time (I was really slow last time because I got two PZB emergency break applications and forgot to release the loco break in the second cab at first), running at 95 km/h. This time I overtook a train at Tharandt that I hadn't last time, I assume last time that one got in front of me and caused the red signal. Managed to climb the hill with barely any struggle this time. Thanks for your help!

 

Tried it- for some reason I got the G6 back, but none of the others.

 

I remember having a similar problem when i accidently deleted the "initial self created livery", which is needed to run the livery manager.
So i made a tgv white livery, because its the route i almost never play and the reskin has the slot in the livery manager. I wont touch or overwrite this one because it will probably break my downloaded repaints.

 

I've made the same goof, and it temporarily prevents using any Liveries at all- but the fix is as you stated. But it still doesn't make the 363, 403 or 406 work.

 

You will need to readd those livery’s which was below your the wagon livery’s as they get removed when removing an livery

 

One hopefully constructive observation... Whoever compiled Journey Mode should perhaps have mixed things up a bit more. Six or seven stages in and still on the 612's. Enjoyable as it is, would be nice to get a bit of freight handling, electric passenger or even the 766 cab car for a bit of variety.

 

I personally like to mix things up with the journey chapters. Did the all tutorials and scenarios as well as some shorter services first to get a feel for all the trains and their start-up procedures. Now, I’m going to tackle the regular long-range services.

 

Yes, I know that.

 

Anyone who likes challenges with freight trains (I'm pretty sure solicitr is one of them ),
Service 10:20 Zwickau-Dresden
January, snow 100% and pzb M activated.
I tried twice yesterday (with 185 MRCE and with 182 MRCE) and no way!
I already had trouble getting it to start running in Chemnitz because the rear wagons are uphill, but later, on the climb after Falkenau I got stuck both times and it was impossible for me to get going again.
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if I'm really lacking power in these conditions.
Let me know your experience!

 

Sounds like a good challenge!

 

You’re not doing anything wrong. I attempted the 9 o’clock run from Dresden to Freiberg (with 9 Habbiins) in snow and got stuck with the RP 185.6 when I hit the ramp proper. The 185 doesn’t have enough adhesion to pull uphill services in adverse conditions off. I’d try again with the 155 but that’s not possible since the loco is placed with cab 2 driving and the 155’s cab number 2 is still bugged (PZB acknowledge doesn’t work).

 

Who cares about if the lever is spring loaded or not? As long as all of it's positions are represented faithfully, you can always move it one notch back to the hold position. The only reason this bug exists is because DTG clearly used the keyboard control mechanic for the handle. It is not a coincidence that the one notch that has a different control mechanic on keyboard is also the one not working properly on raildriver. They probably programmed the power lever to trigger different lever positions through the percentage of where the lever is located, and because it is not direct control but rather goes though the keyboard control mechanic, the non-latching nature of the power position broke the functionality. The game gets a power command every time you move the lever over a certain position, but if you're not continuously moving the lever back and forth it clicks power off. That is a simple bug. And the fact that the route was released this way makes one think that no-one at DTG actually thought about running a service with the raildriver on the 612 before release. Too bad. Now watch them never fix it either.

 

What I found interesting is that DTG has obviously done thier homework. The official DBNetz restriction for BR185 cargo trains going to Chemnitz are limited to 840t and for the other direction its 1210t. What a coincidence, as these are pretty much nail on the numbers the modelled tains have in those directions

However, this is not to say that they must be able to do the job in any circumstances. There may be special operations specified for this route, however, I do not know them.

EDIT: thinking about it, maybe Railpool helped them out a bit

 

I'd love to, but I don't have Chemnitz yet. The CFO only allows so much money per quarter for trains.

 

CFO’s can be performance managed out.

 

As someone who does not know a lot about German Electric motors, what is the underlying difference between the BR 185 Railpool, 485.5 MCRE and 185.2 Railion, which I have via an overlay.

 

Have anyone here succeed in sanding in BR185 Rp
The button works (press it down during sanding) but I do not feel the slightest difference when I sand.
so I got stuck several times during snowfall rain etc with heavy trains

 

jayzhead You're right, the lack of a spring-loaded throttle on the RD isn't that much of an inconvenience. However, when I fly an A320 in xplane or MSFS, it is annoying that there aren't any detents on my throttles (so that I can consistently find the detents for Climb and Flex without looking at the in-game controls). Same with the power lever in the 612, and that has more than 2 mid-range detents. I still don't think DTG could have done much more with what they had with the RD.

 

Real-life
The main difference between the 185.2 and 185.5 is the additional equipment to run international trains - more pantographs from a visual perspective. Otherwise, they're the same loco. The 185.6 is essentially a 185.2 as far as I could find.

In-game
The 185.2 (either from RSN or MSB) is the oldest model of 185 in the game and definitely shows its age. Sounds are bad and physics are rather unprototypical. The MRCE 185.5 (from DRA/BRD, not the RRO one) and the Railpool 185.6 have much-improved physics and sounds (though there is some debate about sound regarding the RP 185.6) and should be chosen over the 185.2 if you're looking for realism.

 

I guess therefore the 185 is the German equivelant of the Class 66, which has 8 variants, and all are pretty much identical bar operator from what I can tell, apart from: 66/6 has reduced gearing for heavier loads, 66/9 is a low emission variant, and some 66/5s have an extra door.

 

Also what's the 500Hz speeds on PZB M? (I know it's 65 --> 45 on PZB O)

 

50 at start and 35 km/h within 153 meters from the MSB manual. Mode U is 40 at start and 25 in 153 meters.

 

Thanks for that info LampLight.

 

No! And I don’t believe sanding does any difference anywhere in the game?! This is ashame, as I would assume it would help climbing some of the steeper gradients and is used irl all the time…

 

Not just that, the biggest difference is between 185.2/5/6 and the older (not yet in-game) 185.0/1. Those had completely different chassis and inner electronics (more similar to Br 101s). The newer ones we have in the game have received a stronger chassis and frame capable of withstanding a truck hit at higher speeds and significantly overhauled electronics. I'd subjectively say more changes than with C66

 

IF I can express my opinion to be honest I am a bit disappointed with this last route.
After the initial enthusiasm passed, I started seeing things I don't like. But as long as you remain personal, they are tastes that each of us has and remain so. But to see that, despite the much-claimed rush hour, then go and do two scenarios now and see that it's just us on the trafficking, really makes us angry. It seems that DGT only focus on those 5/6 scenarios, which are quite funny, then those now leave a little to themselves.
Yesterday I did an hourly scenario at 8 in the morning, therefore a fairly busy hour on all the railways in the world, and for about 20 minutes I did not cross any traffic, both freight and passengers. An infinite sadness.

 

The routes should represent traffic frequencies as they are in real. The route to chemnitz is way less frequent than the area around dresden.

Creating fantasy traffic to get a busy timetable is just bulh..sht and would be a huge immersion braker for me.

I like also a quite routes, but tharander ramp is still a "busy" route, compared to others. Dtg did a phenomenal job about the service, substitution and empty stock part.

If you are bored go for london to brighton, there you have 4600 trains.

Edit:
Im not saying dtg shouldnt create an additional timetable dlc for players want a "as busy as possible" experience away from the real one. Its just really not in my interest.

 

With this route people need to think a bit ahead. Its perfect for the many times asked classic german rolling stock and also for steam locomotives.
Its has 2 big museums and narrow gauge tracks.

Dtg didnt choose this route randomly. Im sure we get interesting content for running on the ramp.

 

+1 for that

I feel like the scenarios could be more "out of the normal", because the normal we get from a good timetable. But the timetable itself is good, and the traffic volume is realistic, I would actually say it is even a bit busier than in reality since you only rarely see freight trains on this route, whereas there a quite a few in game, but that is a perfectly fine solution in my opinion

 

A couple of the timetable runs at least in Journey Mode, bring you out of Dresden by a slightly different routing which then runs parallel to the "Up and Down" lines with the stations, for a bit, before you merge back.

I must admit to taking my first break from the route this morning, to lug a load of concrete slabs from Taymyr Quarry to Zimnegorsk (Snowrunner!) with my big Kolob, just for a change of pace. However I have yet another 612 run part completed which I'll probably return to later... After dropping off the slabs which are currently stuck on a particularly sharp bend (hint: don't use articulated trailers in Zimnegorsk!).

 

Also +1 from me. While I’ve never been to Dresden or Chemnitz, my personal commuter line is similar (rural piece of track linking two major traffic hubs). The tracks are never “busy,” there’s always two trains per hour in each direction in addition to some freight for the last few kilometers. I rarely pass more than one or two trains per trip.

 

I try to play this one with RP 185.6 (January, Snow 70%) and NO CHANCE, 1.5% grade east of Flöha cancel my attempt.

 

So i guess they do those service with double traction in real.

 

FYI There are 8 x 612 runs in Journey Mode, then the 143 opens up.

 

And then the 766...
Still, I see what is meant by the night, or well twilight, being better:-

Still don't quite get the city ambient glow or the carpet of thousands of lights effects, but it is better.

 

That or reduce the train length to a level the one motor would be able to manage in those conditions.

 

Maybe not, But I think so. But in TSW2 sanding is not working (do not do more friction) and as it is done in real world

 

Just found a video that explains the route from Freiberg to Dresden, with its surroundings and places. Unfortunately only in German - and the automatic youtube translation (subtitles) is pretty horrible. If you still want to watch it, here is the link:
(by the way, you can also see that DTG has done a good job)

 

I have seen that the latest version of dostos has functional PIS included. I didn't remember reading about this so I was surprised.

 

NO WAY Is this for real? If it is I hope it will come to all the preservation Route, along with the in train announcement, Can't wait to see this happen.

 

How do you activate it?

 

It is activated automatically, you don't have to do anything. It only works in the carriage with cab.

 

yes, the working PIS in the cab car is new, but it is bugged. Looks nice, I hope they can fix it.

 

Before logging it as a bug, has anyone had issues getting the 766 cab car to power after reloading a saved game? (Not one of the usual save game bugs). Was moving at around 80 km/h but no response to throttle. Stopped the train and cycled everything on and off (SIFA and PZB/Indusi not activated as it's a night run). Still unable to get power.

Any thoughts?