I honestly think the LIRR should layer onto the New York-Trenton route in service mode. It will make Penn Station and Harold Interlocking look really busy and more realistic. Finally have the advantage to have all three operators in Penn Station and I think the opportunity should be taken advantage of. Just my opinion but I love what I see so far with the new route.
One would assume this is a given, but apparently not, lol. I have not watched the Roadmap stream yet, but people say LIRR is included in scenarios, but not in timetable mode. If that is true, then it's just ridiculous. If they went the effort to add LIRR traffic into scenarios, then they clearly know how much it adds to the gameplay. Yet they choose to not include it in timetable mode, where the majority of gameplay time goes...
Yeah it's only in Scenarios which makes no sense. Basically removing the LIRR from its home route. They just don't care for LIRR
What nobody wants is the performance of the route to suffer because of the addition of LIRR traffic. I think there’s probably next to no chance of LIRR traffic appearing on gen 8 consoles but even for the rest of us I don’t t think anyone wants slideshow fps at Penn Station. If it causes no issues then I’m all for the extra traffic.
Back some time, Matt mentioned the problem is the number of unique vehicles loaded at once. Let's say Br 101 + IC cars are three unique vehicles (loco, 1st, 2nd). With this in mind, you can do the math and get quite large numbers on many routes we have. M3 and M7 are both made of pairs, where both parts are the same car, just one flipped, so the whole LIRR layer should only be 2 unique vehicles. If that's truly the main problem, as Matt mentioned, the LIRR layer should be rather fine performance-wise.
Good point actually. We’ve got to remember that each new wagon/loco model in the vicinity of the player makes performance worse. “Duplicating” a wagon which is already present - like an Amtrak loco with tons of these similar silver coaches for example - doesn’t really impact performance. But there are obviously separate models for first class, restaurant car and so on, ans certain consists have the ex-Metroliner cab car at the end. The New Jersey transit trains also come with their own cab cars. The Acela is obviously an absolute performance behemoth, probably comparable to the German ICEs. My theory is that they wanted to prioritize making the Acela playable and thus opted not to include LIRR AI. This would also explain why the LIRR rolling stock can appear in scenarios, where the Acela is not present. Would love to be proven wrong though! After all, they made insane amounts of rolling stock available on certain German routes. As Matt said, the team loves working with the route and would like to improve the timetable in the near future. Would be amazing if they’re able to do that!
This should be added in order to make Penn Station busy and realistic that includes LIRR M7 M3 Acela Express layered from Boston NJ Transit ALP-46 4600-4628 ACS-64 Metroliner Cab car with the route. ACS-64 alt paint from Boston Phase III 662. If there are DLCs added ALP-46A MLV I-II with MLV III power car ALP-45DP MLV I-III with out power car if RVL is made.
It's about time layers were in as an option to toggle for those that want to risk a crash (with an in game disclaimer) and those that want to see a busy route
I agree partly epically for those on PC but could you imagine what Microsoft and Sony would say. DTG are putting in an option that could on purpose crash the game on consoles. The whole point of the verification is to prevent games (that have a possibility of crashing) from getting onto consoles.
A bunch of games which retain their full PC graphics menus on console already have that disclaimer popup on their graphical options screens if you choose to use the advanced options, saying it can impact performance if you turn everything to max. Usually in this case, the default presets will run the game stably on an 8th gen console, while turning everything on/up will still run reasonably on a Series X or PS5, and may see low/inconsistent FPS on Series S, but might make an XBox One or PS4 crash.
I have mentioned this a few times, not so much to prevent a crash but so you don't see unrealistic trains on routes, because some want them added to add more realism! I was told some time ago that it had been mentioned on a stream by DTG but I have never seen any mention of it.
Spot on but remember 8th gen consoles can't handle the layers if done. That meant South Kearney Container yards and Sunnyside Yard LIRR Traffic including AI East Side access trains.
Well that would be a good reason to have them selectable then for those who don't want to compromise performance, as well as for us who don't want to see realism usurped by those who don't care so much. Either view is fine but at the moment one group suffers for the other.
I believe they have testing this option and it sort out it doesn't fit! There could be a many reasons but the most important ist the whole stability and a crash free route so for me it's not an option to include LIRR. If this problems occur people are also angry with the huge issues.
I did wonder if there wasn't some reason that they couldn't included LIRR layered in. They could have saved themselves some grief though if that was the case and mentioned it on the stream. I can't see why that would be the case though, unless there is some problem with the stock as BML has plenty of layers for example.
Okay It could be also a financial choice... So the route is nearly 90km long and developers choose what brings enough with the most fair enough income. So that means if they include the LIRR it takes more expensive time to do and they need enough staff to do so in the end it's a choice off income and out going money.
Well the same goes the other way around as well. If the route does not offer enough for the price, then people will not buy it. Currently I am also on the fence, hopefully the preview stream tomorrow will help me decide. I would like to be convinced, but from what we know so far, it's quite concerning.
I have simply said that currently we only know the bad news, so I am looking forward to seeing the preview stream to make my final judgement. How is that nonsense and how does that make me a drama queen? Care to explain?
stop making drama it won't come what you obsessively demand and DTG might think about that later but give you little chance. it is clear what you get if you are dissatisfied with it, do not buy it. making drama as a toddler doesn't change that
No, I don't think I will, lol. The whole point of the forum is to discuss our thoughts and give feedback about the game. If you don't like that, then don't read the forum? And you can rest assured, if I end up not liking the route, then I will not buy it.
