Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

Of course the new route layers onto others with no problem. Oh AI Trains finally being able to blow there horns too.

 

That's mostly every dlc involving Penn Station and all..look at the LIRR timetable...trash...now this dlc timetable...Trash....and as usual no proper research...Rush the half baked dlc and pat themselves on the back with mediocre and lazy attempts lol...

 

Yea of course the new UK and German routes have new ai layers, DTG again continues every time with bias and care more for them instead of fair share of all three countries....I wonder did they run out of time adding those upcoming new toute layers????

 

Isn't that the game's slogan? "Master the mediocrity"? Maybe I'm wrong. Something along those lines though.

 

On the US content....yea lol..

 

next US route will be another freight route with 150 services, with one new loco and another repaint.......... the next US passenger route Feb 2024 when it all repeats again..........

 

If they continue as is I don't see this franchise lasting long. I mean the reviews say it all. There are less stars on the Xbox store than the version number of the game itself

 

Ai horns are a one and only for niddertalbahn. Not a core feature. Matt said it's really complex to implement depending on the horn rules which can get extensive depending on the country

 

We should all learn a valuable lesson from this: Don’t buy DTG routes for full price. If you really want to spend money on the game, give that money to the third parties instead

 

If DTG is very proud of NY-Trenton, then all I can say is WOW!!! They’ve really allowed their ‘standards’ to slip.

 

They didn't even do proper research of the dlc and many of the US content correctly lol...They proud of the worse attempt of this...I didn't know lazy and mediocre were to be proud of from them

 

So with 5 DLC in a month you can just throughout qualify out the door. Is now pump out and see what sticks no point in complaining.just let your wallet do the taking

 

3rd parties aren't great either. Rivet has poor routes and struggles with sound and physics. Both the routes for skyhook was received poorly and the 187 was atrocious. Don't know about Just trains, ats and union workshop. All I know is that some of their tsc routes were received poorly.

Only 3rd party worth supporting at the moment is TSG who is also second party.

 

3 are from 3rd parties (TSG, skyhook, rivet). There's only 2 dtg dlcs in that mix (mainz koblenz and loco bundle 2).

 

Fair enough, the third-party stuff is a bit rocky as of now. But say what you will about Rivet Games' stuff, at least they try to be innovative with their products. They're the only team making Swiss content, they're the first to add onboard announcements, and they model trains really well. They have a lot going for them, they just need to get better at stuff like physics and sounds. And as you've said, TSG is worth supporting as they take a lot of time and effort to create their routes and trains.

Skyhook is the most questionable as of now, as they bring little new to the table. At most, I guess they're good at making proper new freight stock (such as the ribbed covered hopper, flatcar, and gondola). It fits this thread to mention them in particular, since unfortunately they're the only team willing to create US content for TSW so far. I think that if they can get better at American freight locomotives and livening up the routes more (in terms of scenery and static rolling stock), they can be a great fit for the role of providing US freight content. Perhaps it's best if they stay away from Germany though!

 

Union Workshop content varies in quality, but routes like Wakayama Line, Forest Rail and Hidaka Main Line are all great. And currently they are the only one doing japanese content. Scenery wise their recent releases are quite a bit weaker, but at least they are getting longer. Hopefully for TSW they will do great scenery.

 

Quite a bit longer - and if you don't zoom the camera out the scenery in Tohoku is perfectly acceptable, so it's perhaps an acceptable tradeoff for getting 106 miles of route.

 

Steam looks like it has more negative reviews then positive lmao.....So Matt and all, what are yall proud of again????

 

Found this on youtube lmao.

Yea DTG Verrrrryyyyyy proud of this lazy attempt lol

 

For our German friends with the arrival Mainz/Koblenz route and all I can say is ……“Welcome to the party Pal !!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought the route looked good.

 

Also, welcome to page 31

 

I found out recently that Skyhook actually made a lot of the “DTG” rolling stock/locos. Like apparently they made the GWE Class 43, the SPG SD40, and others.

Also I think their ability with routes is pretty good. Horseshoe Curve is a pretty good route. And it’s actually super accurate to real life in most places (Gallitzin being the exception). Right down to irrelevant details like location of billboards on the side of the road.

So I think for 3D modelling of trains and routes they are pretty good. Where I question them is the overall accuracy of physics, systems and sounds for locos. Everyone knows the history of the Br187 for example… and the HSC ES44 is still a little wonky with dynamic brakes. I’m hoping the locos for their new British route dispel any worry.

 

That's four - the bundle is "in the works" - and three of the four are third-party. Only one DTG route.

 

It's still planning to be released this month even if it's in the works. It's a different team working on it separate from the route since these loco packs are usually worked on by devs who have some free time

 

Skyhook lost me after leaving AC4400cw in current state... absolute ignorance.

 

The attention to detail, or lack of, was astounding.

 

IIRC, Skyhook went back and fixed the AC4400’s lift kit and the reversed truck.

I’m not defending them for it, It shouldn’t have happened in the first place, it shouldn’t have taken them a while to fix it, but at least they did.

Although maybe the AC4400CW still has problems anyways, I wouldn’t know though, I completely replaced it with the SD70ACe on Cane Creek with mods.

 

AC4400CW boogie remains still reversed on consoles , we cant repair dev ignorance with mods...

 

Ah maybe they only did the lift kit fix then. Good thing I haven’t touched it in a while.

The Cane Creek AC4400CW, Cane Creek SD40-2, New Journeys CSX SD40, and Cajon ATSF F7 are four locos that I like to pretend don’t exist

 

wow. just wow.

 

just as predicted, NYT route forgotten and shelved. Another US route bites the dust. Joins the LIRR group of mediocre route. . on to the next DLCs.... victims....... repeat..........

 

Remember they are proud of the outcome of the route...Meanwhile I see ppl mentioning nearly 20-25 different bugs lol...Oh but the Scotrail Express got its 10+ fixes(some supposingly still broken from what I'm hearing)...of course this pattern continues.

 

I'm patiently awaiting the <insert new DLC route name here> threads with the same issues as the previous route and the previous and the previous... Thankfully I have realized it is best to categorize TSW3 as a meme game to be laughed at rather than something to actually spend money on. If laughter is the best medicine, I'm kept happy and healthy for free by DTG. Thank you!

 

Even if rivet didnt fix every single bug on their newest edinburgh - glasgow route, at least they cared and adressed many of the bugs in a short time!

Thats how it should be, especially with increased prices.

 

you know that 1)Edinburgh was released before Trenton. So of course they are gonna release a patch for that too. 2) i think its safe to say that the AWS system is easier to work with than ATC/ACSES. 3) Trenton has been out less than a month. Ya'll need to chill. Everyday with every route complain, complain, complain, which is funny when ya'll lstill buy the DLCs. Now if theres two months or more from release with no word (which btw they stated in the roadmap stream they are working on trenton) then i can understand the worry. But they said they are working on the fixes for trenton last week. They are large enough to work on different things simultaneously. but "rome wasnt built in a day". Ya'll need to chill. This is becoming more of a complain-fest than the Steam forums. go ahead, roast away. Dont care. It needed to be said. how about some patience? this is the state if video games in general. Not just this one. happens all the time yet the most complaining comes from transit sim players. Chances are that if they come out with an NYC subway dlc, itll have issues that I, a former NYC conductor, will find right away but ill be damn sure you wont see me complaining as much as some of you. Constructive criticism, bug reports, reviews are one thing. But this is just straight up ridiculous. Its like shampoo instructions: step one: buy DLC step two: Complain about dlc and say its already abandoned and this is typical of DTG step three: repeat with next DLC.

"oh look at you complaining about complainers"
I dont do this all the time......yet most of the posts i keep seeing are complaints. I leave for a week, same thing. a month....etc.
yeah, i ranted. Pretty sure others wanted to for a while..... And if you think this was mean, Im sorry...you feel that way.

 

Hi, I understand where you're coming from, this forum can be a very negative place that I sometimes haven't enjoyed being in. But if there's any recent release that deserves all of this negativity, it's New York - Trenton. I'm personally frustrated with it because it's a route that I do want to enjoy, something that I would want to spend money on. It's the busiest route in America with some awesome Amtrak and NJT trains, what more could you ask for! But this genuinely feels like a release that DTG wants to sweep under the rug.

Routes such as Edinhurgh, Bremen, and Birmingham were routes that were quite messy on release, but guess what? They receive patches fairly quickly after release! That's why the "it takes time" argument makes no sense, because it clearly hasn't taken that much time with the other stuff. I should also add that the list of fixes they put on the roadmap don't include some nasty stuff like the trains clipping through platforms and poles at NY Penn, and of course the shocking exclusion of LIRR or freight layers. It's still an incomplete release no matter what.

I haven't purchased the route, and it frustrates me because I do want to purchase it! But just the fact that DTG has used this route to perfectly demonstrate that they don't want to put much care into American content is insanely frustrating to me. You see a very nice and shiny exterior with wonderful looking American trains and a fairly exciting route to drive on. But you take one look on the inside and see that the quality and care simply isn't there. I get that complaining is annoying, but you should consider that some things really deserve to be complained about.

 

The other routes the timetable can be whatever. I won’t know the difference.

this route is my home. Of any route I want to love this one the most.

as it is it’s like someone took a dump in my front yard.

normal bugs are what they are. Those are what they are fixing.

other routes get realistic timetables. So should this one.

people should be pissed. Sorry if I’m peeing in anyones cornflakes but this time table is no bueno.

 

So Bremen route Launched December 6th and received 2 patches within a two days, 3 within a week .........
NYT and LIRR routes are both US routes that both equally have the worse representation of any routes in the game today................. these are facts............they have the TSW Penn station curse...........

 

So, by your logic no one is entitled to a negative opinion? What about those of us like myself that bought the DLC and are upset with it? Should we all "just chill"? No one else is allowed to be upset by seeing the negative reviews from players who are dissatisfied? This was a product that cost a decent amount of money. I have to work for a few hours to make what this DLC cost. Think about that, three hours of my life to pay for it. I think I'm more than entitled to complain, as is everyone else here that paid for it or is interested in paying for it. This DLC was hyped up as being "THE NEXT BIG THING" for US content, and what we got was a rushed, obviously not quality-checked game that didn't need to have HALF the issues it did. ACSES for Boston worked great after its first patch went out, why wasn't that replicated here? Why are Acela trains not facing the right way when every photo and seating chart available on the web shows how they're oriented? BASIC things here were neglected. And the reason most people on here are upset isn't so much that a patch hasn't been released yet, it's because the acknowledgement from DTG has been the bare minimum. There are pages and pages and pages of screenshots and videos of defects in the game and what we get is essentially "we're working on a patch, sa'll good", period, the end. The level of support needs to match the level of hype, period. The US release issues were barely acknowledged before the next round of DLCs were being hyped. This is why people are mad.

Yes, this has become the state of gaming today, but no, that does not make it okay. People are entitled to their complaints, negative or otherwise, that is the entire point of a public forum. You belittling everyone in this thread for being mad does nothing constructive for the community. Maybe it's "ya'll" who needs to chill. If you don't like reading complaints why even bother coming back at all?

 

Couldn't have said it better!!! And since "Trenton was released less than a month", when Dresden-Riesa launched, there were issues, not to mention the added branch that was added later on through a patch which was barely a month...when this Trenton route came out(which I STILL didn't buy for several reasons), of course it came with bugs as well as another so called HYPE of a busy railroad and yet, they ran out of time to include a decent timetable and at least some LIRR layers, but again they tan out of time... Let me say this when it comes to Dlcs involving New York Penn Station, it always excuses of why it didn't live up to pay, and that's BEFORE we can even get to bugs/issues...DTG immediately SAID they have no interest or supposingly would not look into the future for fixed timetables and maybe more issues(supposingly they looked at 5 out of 30 issues and bugs)...and thats let's ne ask a question, why they ran out of time with this DLC that's half baked, and up to how BML has nearly 4,000 trains playable/ai including out of nowhere that patch that added surpriseeee freight playable/ai services.. or Southeastern High Speed, they took all their time to include all that...We know every dlc going to have bugs, it's the DETAILS before we can get to the issues. LIRR left for dead, that was a fail.. This Trenton dlc to begin with was a fail...And there's several videos of MANYYYYY inaccuracies of this DLC...Ppl still waiting for Peninsula Corridor fixes.. Its a pattern here with US passenger content and maybe US Freight as well.Bottom line DTG again, and oh well to say, they don't deliver with US passenger dlcs ESPECIALLY involving New York, and the only reason why Harlem Line MAYBE in good hands despite, it being a short route based on what I see is that Joe did the timetable.

 

I think constantly complaining in this thread just so that 31 pages will soon become 40 pages will not get us any further. Me too (a natural born German player) trying to help bring the focus back to US content. Especially the missing skyline of Manhattan skyline catches my eye. Because I also got to know TSW through the very first NEC route in 2018 and at least know the area around Sunnyside Yard virtually.

A very good example of recently published US content is the Acela Express, which was also very well received. If you don't want to drive it in NEC: New York to Trenton, you can do that between Providence and Boston. This route also took some time and patches to get better and in my opinion is also the best NEC route in TSW so far.

 

Same.
The first impression made by the preview stream of showcasing a train clipping into the scenery in the opening minutes is going to be very hard to shake unless they go back and actively fix the geometry there. Which we shall see whenever a patch comes..

 

Agreed, 100%

Dovetail is well aware of the feedback, the community can’t do anything more than that. This thread should’ve been locked a while ago.

 

The trouble is they may be aware of the feedback but once it goes quiet and people stop talking about it then they can forget about the feedback.

If you keep raising it, without getting too hot under the collar then DTG can't so easily brush it under the carpet.

 

DTG really needs to get its act together. The quality of this route is dire and to say they are proud of it is just bizarre.

Have still only bought the Acela as TSW 3 DLC since buying the TSW 3 release bundle. That’s at least 4 DLC I would have bought in the past - a £120 loss to them. They obviously don’t want my money any more.

 

im not saying no one can have a negative opinion. Im saying how many of the same ones post the same complaints over and over? Its like yes, we all know. We all have gone thru the rituals of this over and over. So dont others get tired of it? Its not that no one cant. Its "the dead horse keeps getting beat over and over". And as i ended my last comment, this isnt something i do. But damn. some of us can only take enough of the same negativity. I mean, just expect the outcomes of these US releases. Ive learned since LIRR to "prepare for disappointment".

"If you don't like reading complaints why even bother coming back at all?"
Ill answer that with this:
If you dont like the constant disappointments of these releases, why even buy them at all?

 

How could I have this game and not have this route in my collection? That’s why I bought the route. Its still fun to play.

but that doesn’t make the timetable correct nor does is not make the time table half assed.

I don’t care who’s knickers I crimp or if this thread grows another page or another 100 pages. I’m going to have my opinion on the timetable and remind everyone of it at every opportunity until it’s addressed. If having a realistic timetable wasn’t a thing for this game or better yet an expectation the developer of the game suggests should be there …. and has achieved in other cases … then surely they know it’s half baked and needs to be addressed.

 

Price increases are unannounced and unfortunate, but the bugs are strange.
People wouldn't complain if it was mmm free

 

Nice deflection, but I'll humor you.

Because myself and others are not constantly dissapointed in every DLC release. Overall I've been happy with the majority of the DLC released over the years, as I'm sure the majority of us on here have been. There have been some great DLC, and there have been some not-so-great. I bought this DLC because it interested me and I know the territory and history pretty well. However, what was advertised was not what was released, DTG failed to live up to their end of our business transaction and communication from them has been poor.

The reason there are over two dozen pages in this thread are because most of them are filled with genuine, well-founded complaints. If people aren't vocal about defects then nothing gets done. "A closed mouth don't get fed" as my father would say.

Again, this is a public forum specifically designed to provide feedback, suggestions, conversation, etc. Telling everyone to chill and that essentially it's our fault for buying content and trusting what's being advertised to us is accurate doesn't do anything other than to make you come across as a troll. If threads like these upset you, just click on a different one; no one's making you post.

 

I’m far less critical of other routes because I don’t know them. And like you I truly enjoy many of the other routes. I play this game every day I can.