Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 2 Year Anniversary

No base TSW route has ever been requested.

 

Picking routes based on the views of this forum would not end well....

 

I thought Bakerloo (or rather, the London Underground in general) was a heavily requested route back in the day.

 

It might have been. Not sure though, I wasn't around here then

 

Interesting article published by PC Gamer today:
https://www.pcgamer.com/train-sim-w...tors-approach-to-community-generated-content/
A bit too positive, I think.

 

The ECML was heavily requested also.

 

But not the section we got.

 

What the players want and what dtg can do will always be different because of various reasons. These could be licensing, scope (some requests are too large for dtg to do realistically either from being too long, requiring too much new rolling stock), access to the rolling stock themselves or maybe even how fun or not fun a route is. If players don't like the type of gameplay, then there is little point making it. For example, the section for ecml was chosen since the kgx-pbo section proved to be very difficult in terms of modeling and dtg didn't want to do another commuter route. Many requests would be better for 3rd parties to do. Some dlcs were requested by the community such as brighton mainline and the acela.

 

DTG have a system for choosing routes, and the forum (and other community resources) are only really used if there is a toss-up between two internally proposed routes or to check if there might be something interesting that is mentioned in a suggestion matching a route that they have decided to make to help them with details. In other words, we don’t decide what they build and our suggestions are just that, suggestions. There are enough ideas internally to last a lifetime of DLC production. Don’t ever expect anything you suggest to be made.

 

Well technically the community just wanted the Azuma in the game to be fair.

Let’s hope DTG can rectify that and give the players a better section.
York to Newcastle is on my wish list.

 

I wasn't saying that.

All I said was that the section of ECML we got wasn't requested. I wasn't saying why.

 

It'd have to be Doncaster to Newcastle personally. Unless they plan on a different era.

 

Article was likely bought by DTG's marketing budget. Fawning over community content creation for one of the most closed off simulators out there is laughable. They should have talked about TSC in this regard, but I guess, eww old stuff? But if they feel the cost of buying up an article off a well known site will drive more in sales to unsuspecting people, then more power to them. Guess we may have a few newcomers to the thread to welcome soon enough

 

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Yes that would work and I’d love to see it too.
I don’t reckon DTG would use Doncaster again as start and stopping point though as they already have one route marketed for that. A big station like York would make more sense, but then again I could be wrong. They used Brighton twice.

 

I hope they would have Doncaster as the starting point, otherwise there's the bit between there and York

 

The article also mentions building content the devs want to do. Endless one handled EMUs must be popular in the office then.

 

Yes but no from nowhere to nowhere as it ended up.

 

At least unlike most routes it has start and end points that make some sense.

 

Yes, I agree with you, the joking, making fun of the name it’s very easy and makes for a good laugh, because of all the broken promises and all that is not fixed and still broken, massively, right now I’ve done enough crying IRL and I’d rather have some good laughs, make a few dad jokes here and there. All in all, I cannot disagree with you, and many posts, including yours, have expressed the same thoughts I’ve had and it would be nice if things would get fixed proper but again, I don’t see that happening.

The pictures I posted in so-dtg-have-you-abandoned-steam-in-tsw thread. Shows the tracks in SOS that are missing parts of it, which goes back to who knows when, not including the video I posted which shows how badly the junction is where the train derailed in Edge Hill Coach Shunting. Again, that goes back to June 13, 2023, and the way it was fixed was to bypass the section where the train derails, not fix it, and made the route stupid easy. Yes, I understand I’m rehashing an old story but it just goes back to where they stand on fixing things. Yes, they have fixed the same things but they bypassed it and made it shorter.

I could go on and on with this but I won't, and many things I’m finding on accident. And at the same time, I just want to play the game have fun and just as you stated. And it is truly my hope, in all honesty, that some of what is posted in this thread and elsewhere will catch the ear of someone in dovetail and say ‘Hey, what’s wrong here?” Wishful thinking? Sure. Not holding my breath. And I never trust anyone that says trust me, learned that a long time ago, IRL.

And you, know I have to give credit to my younger daughter, she’s done a lot for me, doing all this typing and learning what she has in Davinci. And, I don’t know, this thread is kinda like a pressure valve, pun intended.

 

Well, each to his zone, I guess, but the original TSC version is a bit coma- inducing in my opinion, relieved only by the presence of the Class 55 Deltic.

If they made the Class 55 for TSW, it could make that part of the ECML worth a punt. But if populated by an electric one-hander, it'd be a non-starter for me at least.

 

It doesn't matter which routes DTG are making, that's entirely up to them. You can choose to take it or leave it if you're not interested in a particular route section. Point is they should deliver content in a working condition and deliver patches in a timely manner and stick to their promises.

 

Cajon Pass....

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/bnsf-cajon-pass.49740/
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...an-bernadino-west-colton-barstow-yermo.49673/

 

That's all fine, but that doesn't mean our suggestions (for where there is literally an entire section of their forums dedicated to) can or should be ignored.

They can create what they want, but they'd also benefit from giving their customers what they want.

 

I wasn't here for that.

 

It's actually a gross read. Deliberately misrepresenting the game as something akin to TSC with all of it's openness and community driven content with lots of freeware. Same as comparing it to the likes of MSFS. Laughable and shameful on the part of PC Gamer. The only reason TSC is as open as it is is because it was built that way properly by the original devs, nothing to do with DTG after they took it over. If it was up to them it would be walled off like TSW.

 

PC Gamer is nothing but a PR paper.

 

Yeah like many websites they used to be good, now they look to simply cater to clickbait articles and accepting cash for <insert developer here> PR. Yet another location on the internet that I shall leave on the trash heap of history.

 

It was requested a few times, I remember seeing a few suggestions for it ages ago on the steam forums but I don't think anyone was expecting it to come as the first underground route DTG would do, even more so as part of the primary base game content.

 

Even when I used to buy it as a hard copy magazine (with cover disc!) they were giving games 85% + scores that simply didn't deserve it. And unlike now where you can at least get a refund if something sucks, back then you paid £45 for a so called AAA game that couldn't be refunded or resold.

 

DTG choose not to do the suggestions not because they cant. They could have taken ECML to York but they CHOSE not to. I cant come up with a reason they wouldnt have been able to take it York.

 

DTG Matt (I think?) even said on these forums (I think?) that theoretically, routes could be really long, longer than they currently are.

 

My opinion is that the ECML deserved somewhere significant at one end of the route at least, a major terminus such as London Kings X, York, Newcastle or Edinburgh. I did the run from London to York a few times last year, both on LNER and Grand Central, and I can categorically state that hardly anyone got on or off at either Peterborough or Doncaster. I'm not being disrespectful to those places, just stating a fact.

 

From Doncaster, you can reach Leeds, Birmingham, Sheffield, Cleethorpes, Liverpool just to name a few. Train operators: LNER, Hull Trains, East Midlands Railway, TransPennine Express, CrossCountry, Northern. Pretty significant station.

They don't need a lot of people using LNER services for them to be significant.

 

So you're saying it's the perfect route for TSW as passengers are non existent

 

Now these are some add-ons that I would have loved to see in TSW...

 

Instead we got the meh version that came with TSW3.

 

I have learned much from Timothy Cain - YouTube and his take on piracy and back in the day, I was looking at who was and is behind the game I played.
So much of what he has stated in his videos rings so very true, that I wonder if anyone at DTG would take time to listen.

Correct, and the Heritage DLC :\
A while ago I ran across a few videos and An in-depth look at the DDA40X, this would have been nice also.
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I agree that different routes are a matter of taste, if you don't like it you don't buy it and that's it.

But I don't like the almost complete lack of patches, I see a lot of good companies that release patches several times a week. What about DTG? One patch in 3 months? And there's a huge pile of bugs and it's only getting bigger.

And yeah, where's the one with the pink ears? He said a lot of nice things on the TSW4 announcement stream. Where are they? Where are the patches?

 

I suspect I've missed something, although I did see a reference to Denuvo earlier, but what's your point? (I'm genuinely interested, I'm not arguing.)

PS I listened to the video you referenced and these are all well-rehearsed arguments.

 

The route is about LNER Azuma‘s not all that white noise you mentioned. The fact stands that to this operator those 2 stops are pretty irrelevant. Most reasonable people would expect one important ECML terminus to be represented in the game.
Doncaster’s connections have no bearing on this particular route as they are not represented in the game. By my own personal experiences people do not travel LNER to use Doncaster for anything.

 

Matt was on extended break and probably playing catch up. Idk if he's still on break or not. I'm sure they will say more on the february roadmap

 

They're still major stops on the route itself, no matter which operator.

A large majority of LNER services stop at these stations, regardless of whether or not people use them.

There's still potential for branches from each of the included stations.

 

They are not major termini and many trains don’t even stop at them. Every single service stops at York for example, so spin it anyway you like they are not significant in the same way as the major cities. Would be like starting the Brighton mainline London end at East Croydon.

 

Brighton Mainline is completely different to the ECML.

They are still significant stations, maybe not to you, but they are.

Why don't you just accept not everyone thinks the same as you for once, instead of getting all uptight when someone voices an opinion different to your own.

 

Haha pot calling the kettle black! I don’t fight with anyone here whereas you seem to all the time. Why are you so argumentative with everyone here? Is it your ego? I’ve noticed lots of comments on this forum about your attitude and insistence on all always being right all the time.
Anyone who knows anything about the ECML knows that the primary stops on this route (as an intercity route) are London, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh. All trains stop at these places. Many trains don’t bother to stop at Boro and Donny that’s how unimportant relatively they are. I rode this route a lot last year and believe me those stops are not where I’d expect anyone to begin and end an ECML simulation. But obviously it was a lot less work for them than modelling any of the major termini, the only other reason revolves around the Flying Scotsman record breaking.
Now have a nice afternoon and go and find somebody else to fight with I’m getting bored.

 

I’ve reported your inflammatory message for being quarrelsome. There was no need for a personal attack on me nor saying things about me here that are not true.

 

Peterborough and Doncaster are primary stops. Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean they are.

And about the "arguing". Why are you doing the same with me? Can't say I'm being argumentative when you're literally doing the same thing.

 

Not attacking you mate, just voicing an opinion.

Forcing your opinion onto me, however, is a personal attack.

 

Calm down. I do not want to get involved in whatever is happening in this forums page. This a friendly community of train lovers. Show some respect to one another

 

There are maybe 3 or 4 people who seem to choose any occasion to engage in cat- fighting for no good reason and spoil the forum discussion for the rest of us. Plus they constantly put any thread they post in in danger of being shut down.

You know who you are. Why not use personal email, text or exchange phone numbers to carry on your childish playground antics?

Either way, just scram and leave the rest of us to enjoy some civilized discussion.