Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 2 Year Anniversary

And that's the only benefit. For those (somehow) on TSW2 it's a chance to skip a few versions and its a win for DTG because it opens up more content to those customers.

But for anyone who bought 2, 3 and 4? Nope.

 

Actually, coming from TSW3, I'm getting quite a bit. You don't have to pay for tsw5 core, so not sure what the issue is there. Finally, you can choose which dlc you'd like.
Not quite sure what is it you're after tbh.

 

Will it fall on fertile ground..? I remain to be convinced.

 

So as I mentioned, the only benefit is for people playing legacy software which is fine and understandable. But for everyone else...

 

There is no penalty. It can be labelled in your mind as tsw4 if you wish, as there is no financial penalty for upgrading it. If you can't do that n a month, then I suggest you've got bigger fish to fry. Dtg have said this is experimental, to test the water. If it succeeds, expect more free upgrades. If not, don't. In that context, I'd think carefully about what it is you want, and see if it's realistic.

 

Yes you do, you get the game itself. With the core features

 

As I explained above, can we not have a new game gimmick every year but actually work on improving the game?

Shadows and pop in across all routes?
Better passenger system?
Upgrading and extending older routes?
Fixing bugs?

I would have given them a pass if the shadow improvements were more robust but unfortunately its only for some more recent routes and future routes, so im probably still getting the short distance on most of my German and uk content as well as malformed trees and shadows suddenly loading properly 50ft away from the train.

 

No you don't. As ive stated most of the better benefits are locked behind the new routes and future routes. Go and reread the press release.

 

Im switching to TSC its better has more of what i want and like especially NA content has better balance of modern and older trains longer routes more enguaging operations ..TSW is becoming a mess in my opinion I am fed up with it now as a whole just time to move on ...and get off this crazy train..

 

No one forces you to buy the routes though. That’s the thing

 

I think at this point the credibility begins to seep away. If you genuinely want to see this issue moved forward, I'd think about the messaging, the target audience, the timing and the likelihood of the current tone being positively received. Theres a reason why you're losing the toom. I agree with you about the shadow popping btw, but your packaging of that message is not great.

 

Also let's hope they fix the traffic on San Bernardino. The cars and traffic and roads are pretty woeful in game, so the idea of speeding along a freeway with those assets both sides gives me the creeps. There's still problems with car shadows, floating cars, cars that don't turn properly, poor modelling etc.

 

Two days ago I wouldn't expect to end up defending DTG after the TSW5 announcement, but here we are. Future remasters of pre-TSW5 content will be free to you (at least if GWE is anything to go by). So by just getting the upgrade pack, you're already in for significant improvements for your routes including the new features, someone mentioned that GWE will get the conductor even, so yes, for free you get TSW5 functionalities without paying for anything. Even old routes, according to the FAQ, will have the fast travel option - a feature I think will become rather popular. And the argument about some routes slipping into TSW5 when they were meant for TSW4... you'd have to buy them anyway and regardless of version they would cost a route price. Now the only difference is the free upgrade needed to be claimed in between, fairly reasonable ask compared to being left behind like previously. Yes, the redownload of the whole collection and limited time availability of the upgrade is weird, but I can live with that.

 

Exactly, this is what I intend to do.

 

Indeed. People were complaining about having to buy routes they are not interested in and the core upgrades being locked behind a paywall. DTG took note of that and changed it.

Now you can update your existing game to TSW5 for free.

Some will always be disappointed in one way or another, which is normal and part of business and life.

 

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they probably wont fix that ..they using the same assets as antellope valley and they never fixed all the similar issues in that route

 

Okay, I get how this seems because it was my initial thought: if you're going from TSW 4 to 5 with the free version, all you effectively get is the new map and the TSW 5 logo, because most of the new features are route dependant.

But... If I look at it a different way, DTG have, up to now, fixed core issues that are not route dependant, such as a major red signal bug in save game, then held onto those fixes and put them behind the pay wall of the next iteration. I only upgraded to a previous TSW for the fixed red signal save bug. I was peed off, because I was forced to pay for that, knowing the older version would never get the fix, but I wasn't fussed about the new routes, etc.

Now, however, if there are upcoming core fixes like that, which aren't going to be applied to TSW 4 because support has ended for that version, it doesn't matter. I'm not peed off. Because I get the new core and its future fixes free. The rest I can get discounted if I ever want it.

So, for me, this is a positive step forwards.

 

No you're not. TS has always been free updates no matter what... Somebody who bought RailWorks and never played it would still be able to upgrade to TSC2024 for free. 15 years of free updates, no questions asked. It's also worth noting that TSW2020 and Rush Hour were both free updates.

AP tried the same limited time upgrade and people weren't happy with that either.

 

And new players can test TSW5 in the Training Centre, and decide if they like the looks and the gameplay and buy into DLC (or dump it ). Maybe adding a small route for free as a gameplay demo could be worth thinking about (like East Coastway).

I have become an ETS2 addict, by simply downloading the free demo which only featured Germany. I saw it, liked it, and two days later went on a shopping spree.

Just like it made the original Doom a huge success, providing the first of three episodes for free and making people hungry for more. Made millionaires out of some "nerdy" teenagers. (not only due to the shareware model, but of course also because of groundbreaking coding.)

Anyone still remember?

Spoiler

Romero and Carmack

 

I didn't know Matt Lucas was so involved in TSW

 

Me too because I can’t afford it for a while. But this free update is a game changer. I’ll be saving for Christmas!

 

Man that would be a great first route from HIS for TSW wouldn't it?

 

FOMO tactics, that's why. They're hoping to lure in as many new players, so that they can sell them DLCs later. This is an official stance, by the way (if you strip all the buzzwords):

It's literally playing on people's fear of missing out. Which, as sales tactics go, is quite harmless if you recognise it for what it is and can resist. Most people can't. It's always "one more purchase," and "oh, I'm gonna open my wallet just this once," and "well, I gotta see the rest of these Core features, I've always wanted to be a conductor," and boom — you got yourself another whale.

 

On a side note, in the roadmap article, just trains announced their overshap route, and oh my days



route is 90 miles long
Features, 5, yes 5, new gronk variants
And if that wasn’t good enough, this really got me on my seat, they’ve already started work on a loco dlc for it, (and you probably know what it is)


This is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen

 

If DTG had learned anything, they would update the new features in the previous version of the game. Oh no, that's not possible. Because then you would really get all the features for free. If DTG had learned, they would offer the free version indefinitely and not just for 30 days. If DTG had learned, you wouldn't have to download everything again...and so on.

Don't tell me the game is free when there are people who discover the game after October 30th. Some people are so selfish that they only think about their own situation and can download the game on day one and not about people who might want the game for free 2 months later too. We're still talking about “TSW Light” here, where not all features are included...

Oh stop it. No, everything is ok. And DTG did everything right *sarcasm at its best*

 

It's exactly that and is standard for the current world we live in. The im alright jack mentality where greed wins out because people can no longer unify to stand up for what's right.

 

Hahaha, some people are so selfish, more like people or person is so salty that the exact thing that they wanted wasn't announced, and are now desperately trying to angle the narrative to prove their point is valid, while watching it crumble and collapse before their eyeballs.......

 

Isn't every new version the old version plus new features? It might be more constructive if you offered a way that DTG could spend the considerable time and money to develop a new version, offer it for free indefinitely, and not go out of business. I'm curious myself.

 

Actually not.
The reasons given are there, written by a DTG employee. They are economic, and considered a trial run.
Poo poo it by all means, but you'll end up with what you're complaining about faster as a result.

 

New game behind a paywall, including fixes and new features for your existing content. People complain.

Free upgrade, with those fixes and new features to your existing routes. People complain.

No wonder DTG stuck to doing the same thing for so long.

 

This isn't some moral crusade where we are trying to protect the rights of a downtrodden group of people or helping those in a war torn country.

It's not the Jarrow marches or Emmeline Pankhurst and the Suffragette movement. It's a train simulator! A hobby.

 

Completely different developers

 

... and not on a level of simulation that is wanted in TSW. It's easy arcade style simple controls steaming for kids.

 

as someone, who has totally given up on TSW the past year.... I hate to admit it, but I´m tempted by what is beeing offered this time around: Frankfurt-Fulda is a really cool route and with all the included rolling stock plus the new ICE-T and Flixtrain and layers (ICE 1, ICE 3 etc.), it will be a very busy and believable depiction of this route.
The new "route hoping" feature will also be interesting. I wonder how good it works and if it´s a real alternative to the big task of "merging" routes. If so, it will instantly open up the possibility to do ICE runs from Frankfurt to Kassel and Flixtrain runs from Frankfurt Süd to Kassel. Those are some serious runs and makes use of my older content like SFS Kassel-Würzburg.

WCML Euston to Milton Keys is also tempting. Yes, I´ve got it on TSC... but having a twenty four timetable on that busy and fun section of WCML also gets me excited. Take the Bakerloo, run it to Queens Park with all the AI, "route hop" and carry on to Elephant & Castle. Do the entire Watford DC line, a local to Tring or the Pendelino to Milton Keynes. Always with loads of interesting AI giong back and forth along the way.

I think a couple of things are at play here: the route selection is cool this time around (including the six later upcoming routes, all looks interesting). Route hoping COULD be a game changer, if it works as expected and we are finally getting to a point in TSW, where there is enough rolling stock, to actually make the 24 hour timetable interesting and fun.

got to give credit, where it´s due.

 

There is no steam in Roblox. There are a bunch of toy trains that look like steam, diesel, etc. trains.

 

The only thing concerning me is that DTG are very good at promising to do things but not so good at delivering in a timely manner.

 

Agreed, but all we can do is support them in their current change of trajectory, which is significant as it shows a willingness to engage, and then either praise them for delivering or hold them to account if they don't. Too early to do either atm tbh, but I'm very much in favour of getting behind them at this point.

 

Definitely a significant change of direction/ attitude but I'll reserve judgement as I have been disappointed so many times in the past, it's difficult to just accept that it won't be the same this time.

 

This is why I've asked the question in the roadmap Q&A about standardisation of route development for first- and third-party routes going forwards, because as great as the guard mode sounds, to take just one example, this niggling part of me can imagine a scenario where only the launch routes feature it, but no later ones do; or only first-party ones have it.

 

Awesome if you like 08s
But I hope it doesn't blue screen crash on PS4 like BPO does , when starting or ending at Preston or Blackpool. .

Was reading on JT website

It says "the 87 will look the part as it storms through the lune gorge"

Can't really attach the term " storms" to an 87
A Duchess maybe lol

 

Is this one the biggest threads on there

 

I get that part of their comment but adding the stuff about Camaros and Corvettes (!) and the essence of American railroading etc and making it about national nostalgia rather than just sticking to the facts at hand - that too many DTG routes are repetitive and of dubious quality - is very "American" in that people in the US are often quite fixated on how much better they do things there than people in other countries. But yeah I probably should have kept that comment to myself.

 

Nothing on continued support for TSW4 then, after release of 5?

 

This is, THE thread.

 

I would guess they may just do to TSW4 like they did with TSW3, push out one or two updates, and then leave it as is.
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What I will give DTG props for, They actually came out and stated it, the FREE starter is to test and see how it works, and "we want to use this opportunity to bring in a wide range of new players with this pack" and yes to BUY TSW!
--- As for the starter FREE pack. I highlighted what and where the new features will or will not be.

It sure looks like the older content or as it is stated compatible as in "TSW5 compatible" will not get some features, and I expected that, it would be too time-consuming to rework the older routes. But I don't see why Achievements can't added to the older compatible routes, many look for this, but to me it is there okay, it is not okay.

On the same hand, Why could they not just find a way to work all these "new" features into TSW4 and yes I know this has been stated, but the same question was raised when TSW4 was being released 1 yr after TSW3, and now again the same question Why? These new features could not be added to TSW4, also Fix what is broken in TSW4, or will what is broken in TSW4 stay broken in TSW5, like the newer but now older routes that were released for TSW4 and are infected with the RED LIGHT BUG.
A remaster was done [TSW4]"West Somerset Railway Route Add-On" The re-masters that are going to be in TSW5 could not be done with and for TSW4, it's still UE4.26 correct.

More than likely many will not say it and some will say it, get the FREE starter TSW5 and leave it at that.
--I have not made any decisions yet, other than maybe getting the FREE starter and waiting for a few good sales. But I noticed something a bit odd on Steam, with all the routes I own now having the following message and yet it shows that I must have TSW5.


The Southpaw typed this out all are sleeping

 

Last year the FAQ said TSW3 would be supported for a short while, this time it says no further support for TSW4, so I wouldn't expect any more patches for TSW4.

From a cost perspective this makes a lot of sense, moving people to TSW5 for free means not having to test multiple versions of the same patch, also they have to pay per patch on consoles, so only patching once instead of twice halve that cost. Very annoying for broken achievements (I believe Fife Circle has at least one), but ok for anything else as no reason to stay behind on TSW4 when the core TSW5 is free.

 

Are all past DLC movable to the new, free TSW5 core?

 

No reason not to get the free TSW5 core when it's available and then (as always since the beginning) wait it out and see what transpires over the winter. Because honestly this is the most confusing release I have seen.

 

The TSW5 free element for some like me is a real blessing, not interested in WCML Euston to MK with JT WCML as that looks awesome and could be the best route yet for TSW.

Euston to MK, I may get once on sale but yet another EMU is of little interest to buy as a day one TSW5. Had the 390 been in the standard, I may have gone for it day one but will now wait for sales on both.