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How dare people have fun on the forums

 

anyway.

 

Isn't it too much of reaction, no one wants to wipe out democracy, that's stereotype

 

What punches did he throw exactly? First of all, he did not upload the video on this forum. Someone else did. Secondly, there are those that claim that what he did violates fair use when it actually does not violate fair use. Thirdly, there are complaints that what he did was offensive despite the fact that DTG staff weren't even offended by it whatsoever. They made a funny comment about it. It just feels like you and others are criticizing this individual for no reason whatsoever. All this outrage is baseless

 

I think you've mistaken that with ViewApp commenting on the video, DTG hasn't shared any public opinion yet.

 

I've said I'm not sure about the "Fair Use" thing. There has to be a certain amount of unique content, but I was saying I'm not sure. (I don't take any action whatsoever, don't worry. As long as someone doesn't use me for getting clicks in a way I don't agree with, there's certain privacy rights everyone has.)

As for the rest, I've given examples why I'm offended in some ways. Which is what a discussion thread is for.

You're free to disagree. Everyone can choose who they want to defend.

Respect is important, but it can be lost.

 

Legal Experts Anonymous -> Myron Bashing -> Alcoholics Anonymous -> "back in my day",
is an incredible flow of conversation and I, for one, think the mods should enshrine this thread with a pin (but locked, to avoid desecration) for eternity, to remind future simmers what the forum used to be like, as they have a read through while loading Train Sim Metaverse 6

 

Genuinely do not understand the reactions to the post.

Someone made a YTP, someone else uploaded it here as they found it funny. Big deal!!!

People find any reason to hate nowadays...

 

Ive just remembered we have a thread for this kind of thing...

Enough Is Enough!!! | Dovetail Games Forums

Im heading over there now. Say hello when you check in

 

Should've been in OffTopic anyway. See you.

 

Well, those people complaining about Myron attention seeking have sure showed him, with their thread bumping & carrying on.

If you don’t like the guy, add him to your ignore list - Don’t click into a thread boosting his content & bring it to everyone’s attention, whilst accusing the guy of being an attention seeker.

Also, DTG are adults (hopefully ) they can defend themselves.

 

Wanted to say the video was funny before the thread gets locked. Haven't laughed like that in a while.
Ignore all the miserable sods and the fun police

 

A couple of things made me chuckle but I certainly didn't see anything that was offencive. Maybe I should be offended that I wasn't offended.

 

*casually ignores the last 4 pages of this thread*

Honestly when I saw this video I thought it was by the same person who made those edits of the roadmap streams. Surprised to learn it was not the same guy and was our good pal Myron!

But yeah there’s this guy who made edits for the March and June roadmaps and I think some of you will like ‘em.

We all love a Class 66

 

Flipping storm in a teacup and a good parody, the over sensitive ought to understand free speech in a democracy is a right. Nobody has been offended and DTG are big boys and probably laughed along with the rest of us. At the end of the day anybody that sets themselves up to sell to the public is fair game to a bit of rib tickling, along with politicians, sports people earning big wonga (football) and celebrities. Matt is definitely a celebrity. Now chill.

 

Serious video. Laughed from the start. Had to pause it as i’ve just got the little one to sleep and having to laugh without screaming my head off. This is taking the micky mick mick! Brilliant. Sorry not sorry. LOL!

 

Watched the video before i read through this, i thought it was going to be one of the nice threads where people discussed what they found funny, goodness was i wrong.

 

Pay no mind, i think to poke fun at it is true as it has been a rehash, upon rehash, upon rehash. Its a bit like the class 66, on repeat. TSW6 will be out soon too so all good, it’ll look promising and promise nothing more, than has already been promised, since they promised their promises.
Class 66 and more.

 

That fact that this quite harmless video has spawned another 3 pages of discussion is interesting… and kinda sad.

 

Fair use isnt about the amount of original content. Its about transforming the original to serve a new purpose. The original live stream was meant to inform you about new routes. This parody video takes the original material and transforms it for comedic purposes. Its the reason why YTP's exist on youtube for so many years. Its transformative work and would probably hold up well in court of law. not really sure why any of you care, if DTG care this much about someone using their content (which they have never done before) then they can strike it themselves and let myron deal with the consequences. Not sure whats the big fuss here

 

When controversy forms around stupid stuff like this, it’s just kinda embarrassing not gonna lie, no matter what your age is. You shouldn’t be bashing people for making what they enjoy, I personally found that video from the op very entertaining myself, and I would love to see more!

these types of arguments is the reason why the forums is known for being such a cesspool, this is not what I wanted for the forums at all. Everyone arguing over stupid stuff, despising fun, and ruining over people is absolutely disgraceful.

I knew the forums better, but not this way. Please, just for once, lighten up? Enjoy yourselves here? Try and have fun?

 

Good video Myron I enjoyed it

 

I thought it was funny and no minorities were harmed.

 

Perhaps the original issue has been lost in the blizzard.. that of copyright infringement.
I said previously that it was funny, but it might have used proprietary material that could be considered detrimental to the brand. DTG will be the arbiters of that, and will respond (or not) appropriately.
Perhaps the content creator should not only be aware of the comedic element of his output, which was funny, but also this other issue, and weigh it up from there.
It's possible to find it funny and enjoy a good giggle, but also question the thought process of the person concerned on that basis. This is not being a party pooper, its called being a responsible member of a society, online or otherwise, as with certain freedoms come responsibilities.
This is only something to consider, and isn't necessarily my own view (which is what the hell are we even doing giving screen time to this nonsense), but I feel its important to present alternative perspectives when I see echo chamber behaviour emerge.

 

It is definitely being a party pooper. It's one thing to find something not funny, and it's another to hurdle baseless complaints and allegations at the creator of the video. All of the complaints about the parody are baseless and were frankly ridiculous. Memes have existed for a long time and this did not harm DTG or Viewapp at all. The people in the video found it funny yet we have people being offended despite that. This isn't the first nor will it be the last meme. Lectures about copyright, fair use, democracy and other nonsense over a parody is frankly ridiculous. This isn't the first meme or parody in the world and usually there is no issue with a parody because people recognize that it is a joke and nothing serious. Anyone remember the class 66 meme? There were no complaints about that. Matt actually found the 66 meme funny. DTG have been memed before and they haven't taken them down. The roadmap parodies come to mind.

This is what happens when people take things way too seriously. I swear, if the people complaining got their way, comedians, memes and parodies wouldn't exist based off of their complaints. I for one am looking forward to TSW 5 and may get the WCML or San Bernardino Line since I've been enjoying playing with the F125 recently. Surely people can have a laugh about DTG or TSW along the way.

 

Meme culture is incredibly lost on the forums. It’s often completely missed by a lot of people. I’ve lost count of how many people I’ve had to click ignore on because they just don’t get it and I can’t be arsed fighting an uphill battle with them.

 

So introducing the possibility of copyright infringement is being a party pooper? OK, I can live with that. It's not my youtube account that might come under scrutiny and the TSW forums are not where I come for my daily dose of comedy, although it does make up a portion of it. Clearly finding something funny but warning someone to be careful has crossed a line (now that's entertaining).

 

DTG have never taken down memes before and there is virtually no chance that this will be taken down based off of their history. Many parodies are often not taken down. So the lectures about copyright infringement are not necessary and frankly shouldn't even matter

 

This isn't about a meme. It's about a youtube video. The rest is all opinion. .

 

It's a parody which included memes which have existed for years without issue

 

And thus could be an infringement of copyright law. I'm not concerned with which one of us is correct, only on what is correct. It is not in violation of DTGs forum rules but earlier on I linked youtubes policy which would indicate that it could be in breach of theirs, and that it is up to DTG to determine what, if anything they do.
I'm not fussed, but content creators might choose to be, or not, it's their call.

 

Youtube are known to be very inconsistent with their rules. Many parodies are not even taken down on youtube and there is no chance that DTG are going to even care anways. Again, it's not that serious.

 

It's monday. Wonder why the thread's not locked yet.

 

It’s a public holiday in the UK I think. DTG are probably all off for the day.

 

In your opinion. I'll reserve judgement, tending more towards the empirical.
Edit-.Tbh I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make. I understand it as follows- you don't disagree that it may have infringed copyright, but that copyright policies are enforced by youtube in an inconsistent matter. I make the first point as logically there would be no need to make the second unless that were so.

 

It's not my opinion though. Youtube are inconsistent with their rules. Parodies are known to not be taken down on youtube. That is a fact. Could DTG take this meme down? Sure. Will it happen? Based off of history of them being parodied and memed, it is unlikely.

 

See my edit above.

 

OK. I don't understand why you keep going on about copyright especially when it is known that parodies are not taken down because people don't have a problem. [Deleted; insulting - DTGHarry]

 

I probably would avoid getting personal.

 

Apologies, but it does seem that you take things like this too seriously. People who post memes and parodies are often not worried about "copyright" because it's not usually a problem. It's just a joke at the end of the day and not serious

 

No problem. No offence taken. Just to clarify, my position on this subject is one of indifference. My only purpose has been to highlight the possibility of an infringement, the responsibility content creators might have, and to push back at attempts to silence my point about potential copyright infringement without addressing it (largely through the 'lighten up' argument). In that sense, I can become single-minded at separating the wheat from the chaff, which may be a personal character fault. I do try to be specific though.
Let's not forget, I've also, on more than one occasion, mentioned that I too found it funny.
To restate, my singular point was that there might be an infringement which might be worth considering.

 

Which was frankly unnecessary.

 

Thus the danger of virtue signalling. Until its actually a problem, expressed by DTG themselves, there's really no need to kick up a fuss.

 

Well that's 99.9% of stuff on this forum tbh

 

Likewise.

 

I would point out technically speaking much of the arguments on copyright could in fact be made against people like trainsimulatordriver. And frankly in any hypothetical legal battle he'd probably have a way worse case under fair use than Myron. I don't think anyone would say that Myron's video serves as a effective replacement for DTG's Direct. In comparison you could actually make a point that watching tsd play a scenario could actually be a acceptable substitute for someone playing the scenario itself. Might seem silly to some with how big gaming is, especially since Twitch's entire existence heavily relies on it. But it really needs to be emphasized that game streaming and let's plays despite how common they are actually haven't really been though any extensive court cases, at least in the US.

However, I think it's safe to say anyone would be laughed out of the thread if they were to seriously suggest trainsimulatordriver is at serious risk of legal action. And that's in part because DTG condones his channel, and thus why I made such a big deal on focusing on DTG's rules, not YouTube's rules. Simple fact is YouTube isn't gonna act on videos unless the copyright holder itself acts, a good example of this is "The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet".

Given that it's been deduced to have been made in the 70's or 80's it's almost certainly still in copyright. But because no party with control of the song wants to make any claims on the darn thing it's effectively a public domain song for all practical purposes regardless of what the law says about it.

 

I don't think anyone's suggesting legal action, only youtube sanctions.
Edit- as I maintain, I'm only here to clarify my position which seems to be repeatedly distorted by others. It is -
Indifference
Cautionary
Clarification of position
Deconstruction of personal attacks

Indifference only applies to points 1 and 2. I will always defend myself against personal attack or a distortion of my message.

 

Neither does my post, note this line.

For that matter I say nothing about Myron's chances of going to court either, merely bring up as a hypothetical to bring up the point streaming's less protected than remixing a few clips like Myron did.

 

I’m sorry but someone getting striked on YouTube for a harmless fun skit is just borderline pathetic, People were really suggesting legal action for it? Come on, you people must be so fun at parties

 

Wow, a lot of people in here who have absolutely no clue how the internet, copyright or parody works.