Tsw5 Features Could’ve Literally Been An Update For Tsw4

After watching this stream tonight and seeing some of these new features made me think DTG could’ve literally added in these features into TSW4 as a summer core update and added the core tsw5 routes as a bundle like rush hour. Tsw5 is unnecessary and I just know I am going to get dovetail glazers replying saying ‘if you don’t want it don’t get it’ or ‘tsw5 was definitely necessary’ but I will end up getting it simply because I want updates for routes, and they obviously don’t update routes on past games. Can someone please tell me if they feel the same?!

 

And don’t come at me for the ‘free starter pack’ because then still you don’t the routes and not even all the features!

 

The games free, it doesn’t matter.

and besides. DTG are a business, of course they aren’t gonna bundle routes in for free…

 

I know but it’s still annoying, we didn’t need a new game…

 

It has been explained several times. When you release a new game, it is shown at the start screen of the PlayStation Store, Xbox Store, Steam Store, etc ... This gives more visibility to the game so people that don't know about it can find it.

Its pretty much like this thread. You could have posted it in the Enough is Enough thread and people that has been a long time in the forums would have found it anyway, but when you post it in a new thread it gets more visibility.

 

I mean there is a thing called advertising. DTG should market the game better. It is good that the update is free but the OP does have a point

 

This is literally the same argument every year (we don’t need a new game). You’re not wrong. New features could just be easily added into an existing game. Unfortunately that’s never going to happen, we have yearly TSW releases now.
Business as usual for DTG.

 

You can only market one game so much.

 

That's the best explanation so far. I like this comparison.

 

Tsw5 Features Could’ve Literally Been An Update For Tsw4
And TSW4 features literally could've been an update for TSW3, And TSW3 features could've literally been an update for TSW2, And TSW2 features literally could've been an update for TSW2020, And TSW2020 features could've literally been an update for TSW Founders Edition.

 

The free core update to TSW5 is a get out of jail card for them this time though.

 

Get out of Jail FREE.

Emphasis on the FREE.

Get it?

 

"All trains in TSW4 will have suspension"

Nope.

"All trains in TSW5 will have suspension"

Except the class 350, class 377/2, class 710, 1972 stock....

The number changes every year, but the DTG failures and incompetence stay the same.

 

I think the point is, for what’s actually changed in the core of TSW5, which yes admittedly can be acquired free of charge, there really was no need to change the name. In fact, it’s time the whole thing was just renamed to Train Sim World and drop the sequential numbering iterations.

 

I agree, it should have just been called TSW2025 and then it would have been better received in all honesty. At least nobody could say "ugh another new game the same as the last chapter". TSW2025 just emphasizes an upgrade rather than a completely new game, and would have fitted in with the free core upgrade better.

 

So if it was called TSW2025 everyone would have been raving about the UK preview stream? I really don't get this fixation on the packaging whilst the content would remain the same.

 

1. It's not a fixation.
2. It's my opinion.

 

Well it's my opinion that it is a fixation

 

Well TSW 3, 4 and 5 are all updates to TSW 2. If you don't believe me get into the file system of your pc. You'll still find data called TSW 2 inside tsw3 and 4. So basically your are 100% right but this time the upgrade to the new update is free.

I had to buy TSW4 if I wanted to play with the new BR193 at that time. I waited for it to come as DLC and bought both the game and the DLC. This time around I can wait for the Bade-Würteberg DLC and Netherlands One without having to spend extra money for the game

 

More like fiction !

 

It does matter. Having everyone re-download all of their content again and again is a pain and an unnecessary one. Anyone who's playing through trying to complete achievements/trophies gets screwed each time too because they either leave routes in their native games (which are huge and fill up drive space), or give up on what they're doing to move to the newest iteration. That said, the Trophy situation has been a shambles for a while now, with "set 1", "set 2" etc making them impossible to navigate.

It also categorically doesn't need to be a new standalone game. I get that Dovetail have added some features, and having a new game gives a firm demarcation between the routes that will and will not have those features, but it's a bit of nonsense anyway, because the routes are a right old mish-mash of features and technologies (see the lack of suspension on the new route), and they'll all end up being 'compatible' once more.

That's pretty much what they're doing anyway. You can get the 'base game' for free, or pay for a bundle of routes (although, I note that a UK-Deluxe pack which only has the WCML and Pendolino doesn't seem to be a thing). Why not just add it in like they did with Rush Hour (which also supposedly added new features, although the crowded platforms never even made it to the launch routes). That way, you also keep your player base all centred in a single title, with everyone benefitting from latest route availability without all the faff and without a number of people undoubtedly 'giving up' at every new pointless iteration.

 

I would encourage you to read the post by Inkar in this thread, it was explained there… it’s a marketing trick which I am glad they are doing, otherwise there would soon be no TSW any more.

So, no! I would oppose your wish to simply do iterations of the same game, if it is this what keeps the game alive!

 

Id argue they’d keep the game alive by producing solid content & not having such an inconsistent level of quality, as opposed to marketing tricks.

If the only way DTG can keep TSW alive is by adding a new number & watching ‘VideoEditingForDummies’, then it’s quickly on its way to a shallow grave.

They’re currently having to remarket a ‘new’ game every year, because they pull new players in with their marketing, then over the next 11 months lose them due to their inability to maintain the product & pushing out content at over twice the cost the new players bought in at.

 

I agree with you on the fact that quality plays a role in keeping your player base happy. However, this will not eliminate the necessity for a good marketing strategy! Also, especially in this niche market there are no real alternatives, hence it’s a pretty safe bet for DTG…

I would argue that if they would produce quality that satisfies everyone on this forum and would not do any marketing the brand TSW would vanish within a year.

They are a company that needs to make money! I agree that the balance quality over quantity could be better sometimes (looking at the recent discussions on the forums), however, they seem to be relatively successful in sustaining their business. I mean, this kind of uproar is not the first we have seen around here and they are still going. What would it mean for them if they would delay the release of the British route to fix all the issues?! Maybe another 4 weeks of investments and not getting anything in return and also no revenue in the end (especially not without the marketing) . On top this capacity would be missing to produce the already announced upcoming stuff.

It seems to be their business model, which seems to work for them.

 

Another 4 weeks to polish up the UK route, maybe take a look at some worthwhile core improvements (save game slots, steam traction) would in all likelihood bring back several of us who have cancelled our Deluxe orders. That’s £54 a time. And don’t forget, that’s only the frustration based on seeing the mess Euston to MKC is in - we have yet to view what state the German and American route are in.

 

Same Story since tsw 2020

 

IMHO there are enough features to justify a new release, plus a lot of new trains and locos... the deluxe edition content will keep me entertained for a long time, not mentioning the layering of new trains... especially looking forward to tilting ones

as for features, I might make use of route hopping and the Training center on the fly tips

but as usual, it is not really the new features that make or break whether I buy the new version, it is routes and locos and in this case I want all of them, maybe except DB 66, as I am not that much into freight (but I will definitely try DB Vectron as I see those a lot in Bratislava - Petrzalka)

WCML should be nice, I like UK routes as they are very chill thanks to mostly benevolent AWS system... Frankfurt Fulda is the banger for me from this selection... and San Bernardino line, well, same as Antelope, nice chill again... and as for Flixtrain Vectron, finally Vectron for passenger use

and of course looking forward to the announced next German route and the Dutch one ... so I am a happy camper atm ... September 12th should come faster lol

 

The OP becomes less relevant now DTG provide a free update. The anger over the move to TSW4 was that you had to spend £30 to get an update to your game.

Now it's just getting worked up over branding. I got over Marathon chocolate bars becoming Snickers because I had more pressing matters to worry about, like getting a job and saving-up for a house.

 

But you literally described this in your first post. TSW5 starter pack is effectively a free core update and they have added the new routes as a bundle (standard or deluxe pack) which you can also buy individually if you want. I’m not sure what features you don’t get (apart from those features that are missing for everyone such as suspension). All features released for TSW5 will be in the starter pack for any DLC (currently or in the future) that you own or buy that have them. The “limited” features are for new users who are claiming it from scratch and will therefore only have the Training Centre to drive on.

 

Even if it were an update - you'd still have to pay for the routes.
The only features you don't get are ones that only apply to TSW5 routes. If you buy, say, WCML Preston - Carlisle after having the free starter pack, you won't be locked out of any features.

So, explain how the free starter pack isn't a valid arguement?

 

Are we really complaining about something being free?

I thought paid core updates were the problem.

 

It’s very nice of dovetail to yk make the game free and everything, but my point is that we do not need a new game- tsw4 released less than a year ago and In my view it has been very disappointing, even if they carried on for another 6 months I wouldn’t be complaining. Take a game like Microsoft flight sim, obviously a very different game to tsw but the concept still applies. They do not upgrade every year, it’s more every so many years. The only sort of games that need upgrading every year are sport games such as fifa, madden etc…

 

The game is not free. We see us end of October here again
Don't argue its free, these 30 Days are only DTG strategy... not more.

 

It is free.
If you elect not to claim within the 30 days, or purchase a payed bundle - then that's your choice.

 

Well you wait to November then, and then claim you can't get the game for free because you didn't claim it by the end of October. Then see how stupid you look!

 

If someone explain to me why the hell DTG stick on that 30 days period perhaps i will change my opinion, but till than, its a free Update for TSW4 for a limited Time period and not a Free game.
Oh and whats the difference between "Free to Play" and this bad counter part of TSW5?

 

After personally buying all of the previous TSW iterations, I actually believe that the idea of a new TSW isn’t that bad. Yes, you must re-download everything all over again which is a huge pain, but since routes now cost 40$ USD, for an extra 10 bucks you get 3 for 50$ when those 3 routes would actually cost you 120$ if you bought them separately. Really there’s 2 different ways of seeing this..

 

A month is a long time you know.

 

But...


It's just annoying to always get it as a new game in the library. Not to mention the DLC reviews getting wiped, play time getting reset and so on.

And no, the argument that DTG made about being able to make large changes (like re-packing all of the audio) only when it's a new game doesn't hold up at least on PC as even things as big as The Witcher 3 Next-Gen (with whole new textures, etc.) got released as just an update.

 

I hope you have RIDE 4 or RIDE 5 somewhere in your library too.

TT Isle of Man series is a bit rubbish.

 

Not defending the whole new game thing, its a bit ridiculous, but you know you can just hide games from your steam library right?

 

It annoys me more that TSW2 is listed before TSW2020, almost as if the latter was a sort of spin-off.

 

It's because they didn't want to call it TSW 1.5 which is what 2020 basically is.

It's TSW 1 with a core update 2 years after release and not enough changes to justify a new entry release.

 

Sorry but no. It was just a freebie that I claimed at some point and never even looked at (or it was part of some Humble Bundle). Played quite a bit of Project Cars though.

Yeah, I know I can just hide games or only show ones that are installed but that wasn't the point. The point was that everything is separate every year.

 

I put games I actively play into Favorites, usually

 

You know, all of those Tomb Raider games could have just been DLC updates to the first title. They wouldn't have sold anywhere near as well, but at least you wouldn't have multiple Tomb Raiders in your library.

 

thats a shame because i have to calcultate how much hours i spent in the game
TSW 5 or 2025 would be better if it took the place of the old one

 

Impossible to give a better answer.

 

The fact you can claim it and not download it, and if you want install it in March 2025 and you still own it.

All you have to do is claim it within in 30 days and uts yours forever.

Thats the difference. And anyone who is fan of the game or even slightly interested will grab it within the 30 days that is long enough.

So your saying that you can't find time within a 30day period to click a purchase button on a website, then thats on you for procrastinating, you know the dates and have had a month notice in advance.

 

I don't know why EA couldn't have just done FIFA 24 as DLC for FIFA95, but no they had to go and release 30 more games