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Yeah, I suppose we can all dream, but you have handed DTG your money, that is your part of the transaction done, so be on your merry way, run...

Subcontracting isn't the problem, there are wings of planes, hospital sections, warships etc. the list goes on with things that we use in everyday...

I think the way DTG presented wcml, they let us assume it was 100% their work, so they haven't lied as such, but DTG certainly have been very...

Yeah, don't be holding out for DTG promises to fix things, it could be months and months and even then

So, wcml the poorer cousin nobody loves then.

Just shows how unprofessional they think, at the end of the day, it is just business. They make a product, we buy a product, if the product...

Yeah, Matt, Alex, Jd can only do a certain amount in the position they are in, they are only employees and if they moan too much or cause...

Well, at least the German rail fans are taken care of, I am just gonna go and sulk in corner for a while :o

I didn't see Frankfurt review, is it better than wcml?

Yeah, you are off the Christmas card list that's for sure. Good job on the video, hope you don't mind me sharing?

It sounds a bit like advice a doctor would give them lol

Yeah, but how many chances do you think they need?

Yeah, he said something about people who make TSW stuff feeling hurt about what we say about their product?

Well, he can say it as it is unlike DTG. He is not sugar coating it.

Seen this guys, worth a watch. Probably rubs salt into the wound. Train sim society's video...Errrr not really helping DTG. [MEDIA]

The suspension timetable, is promise suspension to players in TSW4, then say definitely coming to TSW5, then in TSW6 say what suspension?

Yeah, I remember DTG ramming steam down everybodys throat, I am not a massive fan of steam, but I was delighted to see it come to TSW and then........

DTG probably don't even need to pay quality controllers, I would say a lot of players on this forum would keep DTG honest.

DTG have a hear no evil, see no evil policy. They are a business and they box clever or try to do damage control because it affects their bottom...

Yeah, I am not a steam guy, I don't know much about steam, but even I am disappointed they dropped it. I love just having a load of locos to mess...

I think the major problem is that DTG or whoever is pulling the strings has actually factored into their business model that TSW players are soft...

I know what you mean and listen you don't have to justify your decision to me, I just want players to be aware that TSW isnt finished, DTG are a...

Buy our game, we will be your best friend. People sadly fall for this, businesses are just putting a face on their company to be more appealing to...

Oh don't die please, we need you to do the beta testing.

Thank you

Remember, if a train blocks your path or you don't the cut of his gib, you can go into the map and delete em.

There is no or none option?

I think the question you need to be asking yourself is are DTG capable of making TSW5...period.

After the last debacle with the TSW4 launch, I think the mindset of players need to change to ensure they get the best experience from their TSW...

I thought this was a train sim forum, to talk about trains? :)

Don't mistake a kind gesture with nothing more than a marketing ploy to get players to buy an unfinished product. That might I add needs a list...

Well, the condition TSW5 and wcml speaks volumes in terms of what DTG think of their customers.

Yeah nope, DTG are doing their cash grab, so that ain't happening, that is why we got this hot mess in the first place.

I have just managed to look through the very long list of improvements required from some of the feedback players have given regarding wcml from...

I won't buy TSW again has absolutely zero meaning, you are saying this to a company who is short sighted enough to bring out this hot mess? You...

It is all about money, their finanical turn over and getting money in regardless if TSW is ready or not. And if players keep preordering, DTG will...

Is it bad news or is it just hot air?

I am sure it was highlighted it wasn't ready, but the pressure of FOMO on DTG part, as they wanted our money for a product they know isn't ready....

Yeah, you are better off sticking with what works because DTG are known for releasing what shouldn't be released and you are left with a dead duck.

Like your thinking, lets go with that :)

Ambassadors will give you early access to see the TSW5 working, like DTG live stream gave us early access. So, you will have several opportunities...

Yeah, look at that shiney language... never mind the carriages :)

If in doubt refund and there is a lot of doubt.

Yeah, you have fallen into we will give you a discount if you buy our broken game now. I know times are hard, but...

Yeah, it is a free country till it's not. But there is no way someone can even try to defend wcml, ain't no way.

Yeah, but the problem is that you may have to wait till Easter for an effective discount, but you will probably have to wait till Easter for an...

DTG's bla bla bla bla bla. Basically, wait for the do do do and not the bla bla bla. Keep a hold of your money till they fix it.

Where are you going with your month? TSW4 with suspension, then it will come in a few months time!!! Have you met TSW5, now coming with suspension...

Yeah, I think we will get promises, which is fair enough, but we were promised suspension for TSW4 and......? So you will be basing your decision...

I think, believe it when you see it, not that I don't trust what DTG say. It's just I don't trust what DTG say.