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Exactly, when DTG gave the convenient excuse for not putting a 700 timetable on BML they used the "it'll crash and blow up", yet not long after we...

Folks lets keep this civil otherwise there is a risk this historic thread might get locked.

They haven't done "the services that exist", LO 710 services run every 15 minutes between Euston and Watford Jct. but in this release according to...

Yes I forgot to mention that - have them fixing their own bugs instead, should keep them quiet for 10 years. Though to be fair their trains aren't...

TSC is doing better without DTG!

Biggest beef is not the scenery rather the lighting which returns London to the blitz, the 710 timetable of one service every 90 minutes instead...

Easily solved; DTG fix the trillion annoying bugs whilst 3rd party devs build new routes and locos for a while. Also "whining" is how you end up...

The sky?

We had all this nonsense with the Myron post allegedly bad mouthing DTG (Oh shock horror) with that parody video of the direct stream, several...

Well you could call it "longer than the normal route" if you like but it would be a bit of a mouthful!

Being called a masochist is not very nice either, just to be fair.

I would say be wary. You can still get the free core upgrade and then see how it pans out and add it later if it improves which is what I'm going...

My access is coming via the free core upgrade this year. I want to see reviews first as I'm losing trust in all honesty.

They've reduced the London Overground 15 minute service to one every 90 minutes. They've waved their magic wand and turned all LNWR 350 services...

I would say that is the problem - DTG make too much content way to fast. They seriously need to slow down and concentrate more on quality. When...

Good because I have my eye on some routes in TSC.

I have decided not to buy TSW5 but instead take the free core update. I love the WCML South but I want to wait and see if DTG can improve the...

I'd gladly pay it for London to Birmingham, but I understand some wouldn't. You couldn't expect the devs to sell a 2 hour route with all that work...

I definitely agree with that, the routes from the last few years in TSC have been outstanding, and there is always so much detail and ai traffic too..

Fair enough, but I'd deffo pay £50 for London to Brum as it's a fair old way. I'd save by ignoring all routes except UK and US freight, just my...

Exactly, most of us would be willing to pay for the extra work taking the route at least to Rugby. I'd hand over 50 quid for a "super route" to...

Quite frankly I'd rather DTG outsource the route to some of the skilled modders and TSW editor users on here. At least they would approach it as a...

I think you are right which is sad, we're just client reference numbers.

28 stations is brilliant for the 350 and 710 (to Watford Jct.) But when it comes to the 390 it's a bit of a joke in all honesty. Such a shame to...

Yes it's like Godzilla eating up my hd on pc too.

Maybe we can drive the Pendo around the yards all day?

Night services are ok on some routes if the train has decent headlights and the stations are properly lit. But I once did a night run in the...

Interesting. So we could have the crazy situation whereby DTG have to remaster a brand new route! It is farcical and we can't blame the publishers...

WCML on TSW5 is way too short for a Pendo run, nothing but an excuse to sell it to the masses. Answer is to fire up TSC and drive from London to...

Possibly, but only with general strategy not hands on I doubt, they have too many other things to do. Of course it suits DTG to have people think...

Me too, before committing I want to hear that the 710 timetable in particular is fleshed out because the Overground is a big attraction to me....

Such a distinctive looking steamer.

If you want to level a specific criticism at DTG for me it has to be everything they do is rushed. I don't know who is responsible for this but I...

I don't want to walk around the cab particularly (drivers don't IRL) or jog up the track if I'm honest, I just drove a couple of hours in a Pendo...

I honestly don't know why high speed routes are in the I suspect given rivet's reputation here they'd try and keep it hush hush.

Yes, and like JT they put their customers first.

Well it seems very unlikely they'd hand the code to rivet jut to do one asset!

I guess at the end of the day we are all made differently and respond to what we perceive as problems in a different way. Some are more likely to...

This sums it up for me, we ARE paying customers and are entitled to good quality products. That isn't rocket science. Personally I give DTG credit...

TBH the only mods I've ever added to TSC are RW Enhancer 2 and the Wherry Lines mod for Norfolk from Alan Thompson which transforms that route....

I personally think TSC with the right add-ons looks as good as TSW now, certainly the weathering and shading is better, and the lighting is miles...

That's exactly my problem with this route, and also this game. They put themselves in the high end position as a train simulation producer and...

At the end of the day I'm not going to reward the devs with RRP for a less than stellar UK flagship route that seems to have been rushed out and...

Could be.

Are you from North Korea?

Thanks folks, got them to finally show up.

I never got around to ordering, but what I will do is await improvements to the route and then if this happens buy in the future. Thank goodness...

I think it's unacceptable to relegate the super busy London Overground to become the equal of a long distance service in timings. Breaks immersion.

For me having spent a lot of time on the route IRL the biggest failings are the London Overground services being relegated from 4 an hour to...

Hi, I've been trying to add some Class 390 routes for the WCML South, I can't do it via the usual list in the game because it's not clear what the...